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The report begins: "Outrage erupted among a group of veterans at the Occupy Wall Street protest last week after Iraq War veteran Kayvan Sabeghi said police clubbed him during a November 3 standoff between officers and supporters of Occupy Oakland."

Veterans will march in Oakland on Veterans Day in solidarity with those injured by police violence. (photo: IVAW)
Veterans will march in Oakland on Veterans Day in solidarity with those injured by police violence. (photo: IVAW)



Veterans March Today in Oakland for Wounded Protesters

By Angela Woodall, Oakland Tribune

11 November 11

 

Occupy Wall Street: Take the Bull by the Horns

 

utrage erupted among a group of veterans at the Occupy Wall Street protest last week after Iraq War veteran Kayvan Sabeghi said police clubbed him during a November 3 standoff between officers and supporters of Occupy Oakland.

On Friday, fellow former service members plan to march in Oakland to denounce police brutality that they say was the cause of Sabeghi's ruptured spleen and the injury suffered by another Iraq War veteran and Occupy Oakland protester, Scott Olsen, who witnesseses said was hit by a police projectile on October 25.

"No one should be treated like that whether they're a veteran or not," said Michael Thurman, who helped spearhead Friday's march, which leaves from Frank Ogawa Plaza at 4 p.m.

The veterans' injuries and their engagement with the Occupy movement have an infamous precedent that resonates with events continuing to unfold in the center of downtown Oakland.

In May 1932, about 15,000 veterans, many unemployed and destitute, descended on Washington, D.C. They demanded immediate payment of future bonuses promised them by the government. Many of the men, as well as their wives and children, set up camps around the Capitol when President Herbert Hoover refused their demands. The occupation ended in bloodshed after police descended on the Bonus Army, as they came to be called. Cavalry and tanks sent in to rout the camp were followed by soldiers with bayonets who hurled tear gas at the men and their families.

The camp was left in flames, and thousands were wounded.

The Bonus Army's treatment hasn't been lost on the veterans who plan to march Friday.

Many veterans of the post-9/11 era are proud of their military service in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new Pew Research Center survey. But the survey reported that the sacrifices those wars have taken are being shouldered by a volunteer military made up of just one half of 1 percent of the US population, whose members have found services and jobs lacking upon their return home.

Veterans said the way Olsen and Sabeghi were treated just adds insult to injury.

After serving the country to protect First Amendment rights of civilians and police alike, what happened to Olsen and Sabeghi was unacceptable, said Dottie Guy, a former member of the National Guard.

Guy, 29, served as a guard in 2003 at Camp Cropper, a holding facility for high-value detainees operated by the Army in Iraq, before she was honorably discharged in 2005. She marched with other veterans during the November 2 general strike in Oakland. "Our job is to protect the freedom of speech and assembly," she said. "We still take that oath seriously."

Members of the armed forces can weigh in publicly on political matters if they are not on duty, not on base and not in uniform. And they can protest only within the United States. But some fear backlash for political activism. Add the affinity that police and military members often share, and it makes it more difficult for veterans to protest against the police.

Olsen's injury swept aside veteran Emily Yates' reservations about the Occupy movement.

"That was my 'a ha' moment," said Yates, 29, who served in the Army from 2002 to 2008 and was deployed twice to Baghdad as a public affairs specialist. She was even more incensed by the crackdown Wednesday night by law enforcement on people who tried to set up an Occupy camp on the UC Berkeley campus, where she is a student.

Police are trained to know when to use restraint, she said. "That's why they have a badge."

Thurman, 23, said he wants the officers who use force on the demonstrators to be held accountable and to change the tactics law enforcement agencies use.

He left the Air Force in 2008, two years after enlisting as a conscientious objector and, like many of the other marchers, is a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War.

 

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+60 # Michael_K 2011-11-11 11:41
The establishment's (by "establishment, I mean BOTH the Rethuglican and Dumbocrat hierarchies) philosophy that led to the massacre of the "Bonus Army" in 1932, has not changed one iota.

The only difference we can pray for, is that the troops have learned something from history and refuse un-Constitutional orders in the future...
 
 
+36 # Capn Canard 2011-11-11 12:38
Amen.
 
 
+55 # Buddha 2011-11-11 12:47
I see this as one of the huge differences between the protests in the 1960's and today. Back then soldiers were vilified by the protesters as "baby killers" and the Unions strongly opposed the protests as "Commie hippies". Today, unions see that these Protests are about all of labor's economic futures, union and non-union, and the 99%'s lack of political power over the 1% who control our government. This puts informed and aware Union members and soldiers on the side of the protests. The police themselves should wake up to realize that they are part of the 99% too, it is also their pensions and economic futures that these protests are fighting for. If these protests get crushed, how many more years before their pensions and labor rights are gone? Just because the %/GOP has focused on mostly on "liberal" unions like teachers and postal workers doesn't mean cops and firefighters won't be next.
 
 
+31 # conniejo 2011-11-11 14:03
You are so right, Buddha. This movement has brought together what most of us from the 1960s would think of as strange bedfellows. The causes were the same then, but people were more susceptible to the divide and conquer tactics employed by the establishment back then. Thirty more years of corporate crime have wakened many of us to our common cause. It was clear to the demonstrators in Madison, WI earlier this year that the police and firefighters were on the side of the 99%, and they understood it as well. Many off-duty police and firefighters marched in the demonstrations, and many of the police on duty engaged in friendly conversations with the demonstrators, stopping just short of expressing their support for the movement (which was illegal for them to do while on duty). In October, while being ushered out of the Hart Senate Office Building in D.C. by police, I attempted to engage some of the officers in conversations about what was going on. Several of them responded by saying they had no opinions while in uniform, but plenty of opinions when not on duty. The majority of police I've encountered in demonstrations in various locations are great. There are always some bad ones who probably joined in order to beat up on people "legally," but I believe most of them know they are part of the 99%. We won't get fooled again!
 
 
+27 # Glen 2011-11-11 14:14
Buddha, the cops today are nothing close to what they were in the '60's, and few identify with the general population. Those put on the streets during "civilian unrest" are trained in a different manner and due to the militarization, there is no need to call in the National Guard, as in the '60's. Police violence in the sixties was pretty horrible, but what could be done against citizens today is potentially 10 times worse.

In truth, the worst offenders in condemning veterans were not the protesters. It was conservatives and the general population. There is also a new attitude toward protesters, that is rather more determined by the media, much more so than in the '60's. The potential for violence is also much greater.

A volunteer army is much different than the draft. Morale in the '60's was just about zero. Nevertheless, I'm glad there are ex-military out there. We'll see how far we can get with this.
 
 
+3 # Cambridgemac 2011-11-13 06:14
Buddha, don't swallow all the canards about the 60s Peace Movement. The strongest wing of the Peace Movement was the military itself. There were hundreds of cafes outside military bases, run cooperatively by vets and other peace organizers, and countless actions inside the military itself. Deserters and resisters in the military were in the hundreds of thousands. The corporate media wanted you to believe that "babykiller" was the chant of the demonstrators - and, starting in the 1980s, created out of whole cloth the myth that returning vets were spit upon. The truth is, it was LBJ who was called a babykiller - not the troops.
 
 
+20 # aitengri 2011-11-11 13:41
QUOTE: After serving the country to protect First Amendment rights of civilians and police alike, what happened to Olsen and Sabeghi was unacceptable, said Dottie Guy, a former member of the National Guard.

This is the huge self deception statement too many veterans believe concerning their "service". However they wound up in the military, or national guard, their subsequent experience, in what ever may have happened, was the classic experience of a patsy for the malignant policies of our killer government, and the "service" was really for objectives that never had anything to do with protecting American constitutional rights or values. Utter BS, and repeated ad nauseam by the more traditional veterans' groups who've got a vested interest in covering up the miserable circumstances of most victims' ("veterans") real experience.
 
 
+9 # Ken Hall 2011-11-12 01:32
Bravo and Amen! The US system preys upon the idealism of youth that wants to serve others and "spread democracy around the world". Some of them wake up later, like General Smedley Butler, and regret their role as goons and thugs for the US empire.
 
 
+22 # daveapostles 2011-11-11 13:42
http://www.thehungersite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=10&link=ctg_vet_home_from_ths_home_sitenav

Help to feed a homeless vet, please. Wars are stupid, but those vets are really honourable people. I'm so glad that they are on side.
 
 
+14 # minkdumink 2011-11-11 14:27
''for though there is drama in the details of strife,there is a dreary eternity in its causes and results; such history becomes a menial attendance upon the vissitudes of power,in which victories and defeats cancel one another into a resounding zero''/Will Durant/Lessons of History
 
 
+7 # m... 2011-11-12 03:28
Has the relentless Conservative quest for ever SMALLER GOVERNMENT led to a CORPORATIZED POLICE STATE where the Police and many of those once thought of as Public Servants are now somewhat CORPORATE-Conflicted in their sense of Loyalty, Purpose and Mission?
Are Corporate Contracted Employees and Public Service Institutions which have become Corporate Cash Cows for Equipment, Training and Seminar Contracts still set to the task of ''serving'' THE PEOPLE and OUR COUNTRY by Constitutional Mandate and Law -OR- by way of Corporate Mission Statement..?
A great deal of MUCH SMALLER GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE has come about from the endless CORPORATE CONTRACTING of more and more Government functions. Its long past due for Americans to start looking around after 30 years of this insane, automatic pursuit of dismantling Government and to begin asking if SMALLER GOVERNMENT is the Panacea Corporate CONservatives sold it all as -Or- Is has it become a virtual nightmare for 99% OF US.?.
Has the CORPORATE-CONTRACTED, BUSINESS MODEL RUN, MUCH SMALLER AMERICAN GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE actually become the now waaaay overly CORPORATIZED-OLIGARCHICAL GOVERNMENT OF, BY and FOR THE CORPORATE that also views its rising, expanding position of power and dominion over all of us as one needing Protection from 99% of AMERICAN CITIZENS..a.k.a--- WE THE PEOPLE...?
 
 
+8 # mwd870 2011-11-12 06:37
Veterans marching against the violence in Oakland and in support of the Occupy Movement are a powerful contingent of the activism that will make the movement a success.

They are patiotic heroes for their actions.
 
 
+5 # Dale 2011-11-12 06:45
The Congress just passed a bill called the Returning Heros and Wounded Warriors Act. Well the wounded surely deserving healing. But a better way to state the name of this act is Returning Sheep And Wounded Mercenaries of Imperial Wars Act. These men and women did not serve US, they server OUR RULERS and participated in War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. In most cases they are innocents duped by chauvinism and propaganda into being sheep led to the slaughter, young men and women with few opportunities in life led on by the Recruiters offering generous benefits--but there were also those who gloried in the killing of Iraqies and Afgans.

Shame on Obama and the Democrats for not ending these wars once and forever.
 
 
+4 # Doubter 2011-11-12 13:31
"the affinity that police and military members often share"

First time I hear about this!
 
 
+2 # Madrona 2011-11-12 22:31
an incredible documentary about the Great Depression--After the Crash and the Bonus Army, 1993, PBS's 'The American Experience.' Everyone should watch all the parts of this.
 
 
+2 # Madrona 2011-11-12 22:32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udpO3q9VDQs

"After the Crash and the Bonus Army"

PBS, 1993, Part of 'The American Experience' series.
 
 
0 # Madrona 2011-11-13 21:40
Dear Doubter,
There have been 50 years of research in the US into what is known as the "authoritarian personality." I first learned about it in the early 1970's.

Here is the wikipedia page for Stanley Milgrim's studies in the 1960's with undergraduates at Harvard.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Stanley_Milgram

The most comprehensive recent fact-based book I have read is:

The Authoritarian Specter [Hardcover]
Robert Altemeyer (Author)

The most well-documented case of military authoritarian abuse is what happend at Abu-Garib.

One of the most startling cases of Police authoritarian abuse is what happened in the Central Park Jogger case:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Trisha_Meili

People that voluntarily join either the military or the police commonly have an authoritarian mindset. If recruits do not have it, the military has an entire psychological program to increase the authoritarianis m of soldiers. See What Every Person Should Know About War by Chris Hedges (Jun 3, 2003) for an exhaustive, comprehensive description of this program.
 

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