Intro: "Strange bedfellows on Capitol Hill, ranging from Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) to Rep. Jeff Landry (R-La.), are joining forces to change controversial detainee language that was signed into law by President Obama last month."
Portrait, Sen. Al Franken. (photo: Jeffrey Thompson/Getty Images)
Sen. Franken and Conservatives Unite to Fight Indefinite Detention
28 January 12
trange bedfellows on Capitol Hill, ranging from Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) to Rep. Jeff Landry (R-La.), are joining forces to change controversial detainee language that was signed into law by President Obama last month.
The bipartisan effort is a clear indication that the debate on the government's power to detain suspected terrorists, including U.S. citizens, will continue into 2012.
"Any statute that could possibly be interpreted to allow a president to detain American citizens without charge or trial is incredibly alarming," said Landry, a freshman lawmaker and member of the Tea Party Caucus who has introduced a bill in the House to clarify the law.
When Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) last month, he paired it with a signing statement, noting he had "serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists."
He's hardly the only one.
Both libertarian Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), who is running for president, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations, for example, have issued statements saying the NDAA provisions violate the Fifth Amendment.
At question is a provision in the new law wherein Congress affirms the president's right to detain persons who were "part of or substantially supported al Qaeda, the Taliban or associated forces." The president may detain these persons "under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities."
President George W. Bush originally claimed a similar right under the Authorization for Use of Military Force, a law passed in 2001, shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. To the dismay of some on the left, Obama has asserted the same claim, and Congress has now codified it.
The provision, however, does not specifically exempt U.S. citizens, and that's the rub.
"You go down a slippery slope," Franken told The Hill. "To not give people a hearing, to not give an American citizen the right to have his case heard in a court - I think that's one of our basic rights. Once we're starting to get rid of our basic rights, we're in real trouble."
The president vowed that his administration would never use these powers against American citizens.
"The president promises, that's nice," Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) told The Hill. "But what about the next, or another, administration? This administration's promise is no guarantee against how the law may be used by future administrations."
Supporters of the detention provisions argued that the president already has the authority to detain U.S. citizens, and that such powers are necessary in the global war on terror.
"The threat to our homeland is growing," Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said during debate on the bill in the upper chamber. "Homegrown radical terrorists are becoming the threat of the 21st century, and now is not the time to change the law."
GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney took a similar position, saying during a debate last week that American citizens who join al Qaeda "are not entitled to due process." His answer was booed by the South Carolina crowd.
Nadler argued against assuming someone is a terrorist, stressing that is "why we have due process, to determine the truth."
That the language could open the door to indefinite detention of U.S. citizens raised concerns in both chambers before the bill was passed.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) offered an amendment specifying exemption from the detention provisions for U.S. citizens. It was rejected, 45-55, as most GOP senators voted no. Republicans who backed Feinstein's measure included Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.), Mike Lee (Utah), Mark Kirk (Ill.), Susan Collins (Maine) and Jerry Moran (Kan.).
The Senate subsequently passed an eleventh-hour amendment saying the section would not alter existing law relating to the detention of U.S. citizens.
The problem is that existing law on the issue of detaining U.S. citizens and treating them as enemy combatants has yet to be resolved by the courts.
Legal experts pointed to two cases since 2001 where a court decision on the president's authority regarding the detention of U.S. citizens could have been rendered. They cite the cases of Jose Padilla, during the Bush administration, and Ali Saleh al-Marri, under Obama.
Both were American citizens and were held in military detention - Padilla for three and a half years, al-Marri for almost eight. In each case, the administration used its power to move the accused from military supervision into the civil court system for trial before a U.S. federal court could rule on the detention issue.
In a third case involving a U.S. citizen, Yaser Hamdi, the Supreme Court ruled that Hamdi could be detained, but he was captured in Afghanistan, not the United States.
Kirk told The Hill recently that the end result of the NDAA is a "muddle" that doesn't take a position on citizen military detention.
Landry echoed that sentiment: "The problem is the vagueness of the law. To allow the executive branch to encroach upon the liberties of American citizens based on an interpretation of a vague law is dangerous."
Benjamin Wittes, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute and co-founder of the Lawfare blog, said concerns about an administration being eager to detain U.S. citizens to test its power are overblown because the sitting judges on the Supreme Court would likely strike it down.
"There is still no law that says you can't do it, and there's still no law that says you can do it," Wittes said. "There are probably five justices on the Supreme Court who would say you can't do it. And that's going to discipline any administration."
Kirk said he expects the high court will eventually rule that citizens cannot be detained indefinitely.
"If a future president uses the authority, it will be smacked down quickly," Kirk said.
Landry, however, said that would be small consolation for some U.S. citizens in indefinite military detention. Those cases can take years to resolve through the legal system.
"To fix a law like this is Congress's responsibility," he said.
Feinstein has reintroduced her defeated amendment to exempt American citizens. The bill has bipartisan support in the Senate, and a version has been introduced in the House.
While it remains to be seen how far the bills will go this year, Landry remains optimistic. He said he has received a commitment from House Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon (R-Calif.) that the panel will revisit the law.
"I have a commitment from the chairman," Landry said. "If he gives us the hearing he's promised, and we go through the regular legislative procedure, we could get this whole thing resolved in under 60 days. The law will be clear and the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens will be protected."
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The fact that our president felt compelled to issue this statement says all you need to know about the NDAA. He will be remembered, in time, more for signing this into law than for being our first mixed race president.
You cannot cite these powers and still say that there is a Constitution and/or a rule of law, anywhere these powers are found to exist. Because one refutes the existence of the other.
Because this was approved, it means that our leadership, our elected Congress and our Chief Executive have ruled that this nation shall have no laws! That is exactly what has been done!
It does not help that to soothe the public, they say they will not abrogate the current laws "AT THIS TIME", while they hold the banishment of law at the ready for use in the future.
Of course, understand that they who have violated the laws in so many ways, so many times, have a dire need to banish the law, for fear they might be held accountable at some time.
Thus large segments of the population can become accused persons at any given point in time, and, at least in theory, there would be nothing anyone could do about it, at least not within the bounds of any remaining laws that one would have anyone believe could still apply.
In truth this is the nullification of all law, by starting at the root of all law, the rights of the citizenry. Contrary to popular belief, if even one American Citizen has no rights, then no American Citizen has any rights! It worked that way, as history has demonstrated time and again, in Rome, in Germany and unfortunately it will do so here.
This is a subtle attack against OWS who the government considers a real threat to the statis Quo...
Hmmm... So now we need an absolute ruler to save our lives? I guess these lawmakers don't know enough about the historical records, to know how absolute rule works.
But hey! What about the U.S.S.R. eh? Are they now saying that was the way to go? So what was all that cheering about when they collapsed? We're trading places with them.
Of course they realize it will take time to consolidate power. Not all of the military and law enforcement will be on board for this now, so they'll have to weed out the true patriots. That will take time. But, when done, when they're all replaced with "yes men", then the purges can begin, as well as the coups as the highly placed struggle over the spoils. Perhaps before that can happen, "freedom fighters" will add yet another level of instability to our nation.
My guess is ten years out, this country will look like Afghanistan (if we're lucky). In any event, all the principles of a "Banana Republic" are now in place. Thanks Washington, great job!
And we shouldn't worry because the Supreme Court would likely declare it unconstitutiona l? Well, I guess that's okay, to not worry about the Bill of Rights because someone, somewhere, will uphold it. I'm sorry but how stupid do we have to be to pitch the Constitution into the trash?
Don't worry, America, we're only taking away your rights temporarily while we fight these 'terrorists.' As soon as the war's over, we'll give you your right back.
Anybody believe these liars, I've got some nice bundled derivatives I'd like to sell you.
Anyone who thinks they are a "citizen" can be stripped of those imaginary rights, without any need of a reason that anyone has a right to inspect, less challenge. Thus subjects is what we all are now, and we will remain subjects until these laws are over turned.
Don't let the illusion of law, as they continue to pretend to observe them, fool anyone. Because now that's all we have left is the illusion of law. The NDAA is nothing less than a proclamation of totalitarianism .
How such a proclamation will fight terrorism is anyone's guess. But as Ben Franklin said: "Those who would trade freedom for safety will have neither!"
The President is now charged with king like Powers, he holds American Citizens "our" life and death decisions in his hand. He is the prosecutor, Judge and Jury and pronounces sentence on the "accused" This is tyranny by any other name...the Magna Carta of 1215...Took these powers away from the King of England... I guess we are right back before the 1215 Magna Carta now and we have a king once again... That is what this Homeland detension Bill does, it makes the president a King...
Did not the fore-fathers want a system were it is, "better to let 100 guilty men go free, than to detain one innocent man?"
To much of Justice is already twisted to where "one starts out guilty, until proven innocent".
All these things taken together make for a greater & greater fascist state. Placed into being by representatives from both parties against the people, for the benefit of those already in control of the Police, Judicial system & the Military. It is us against them & we are losing quickly while they argue the finer details of our detainment & demise.
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I have no idea... Why the President and Congress of this "land of the free and home of the brave", would go on the public and historical record and tell us essentially: "We must all be too terrified of freedom to have anymore of the rule of law... The tyrants and authoritarian dictators of history were right, freedom, rights and government by and for the people is just to high a price to pay for our safety. Therefore we must assume the absolute powers needed by leaders everywhere, to keep their people safe".
We really should have been told that before we invaded Iraq to remove the very dictator who was keeping those people safe, eh?
If this doesn't make us the laughingstock of the world, I have no idea what it will take to do it.
The US has now clearly defined itself to a rogue, terrorist, and fascist nation, and an enemy of humanity. Humanity had better fully wake up to this and put a stop to it while it still has a possibility of doing so without destroying us all in world war 3. This will not be a 'thousand year reich' but the destruction of the human species.
I'd like to see a few Barry Goldwater's in the Republican Party.
comedians, jokers and clowns - from the bottom to the top - THAT COULDN'T BE BOTHERED TO READ WHAT THEY VOTED FOR, THEN SENT TO 1600 Penn. Ave. to be codified by another one (without a birth certificate)?
Absolutely!
A constitutional republic?
A democracy?
Of, by and for THE PEOPLE?
Don't make us laugh.
True conservatives are those who can cite objects, policies, or standards of which they promote the conservation. There is nothing truly conservative about the Neocons. It is the country's great misfortune that they have been allowed to hijack the formerly conservative political apparatus in America and use it so irresponsibly.
This needs to be thrown out and overturned. We never should allow the military to be used against American citizens who are guaranteed rights by our constitution. Shame on all 93 Senators and Obama who signed this fascist bill!
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of course, the ndaa is a travesty. this whole "war on terror" thing is a power grab by government representatives (we are the government who elected them to do our bidding, not anoint themselves with power over us) to curb our civil rights.
it should be unconstitutiona l. and the case should be brought before the supremes.
in this, obama is surely wrong. but at least he says he won't use the provision.
but just imagine this kind of power in the hands of a mitt romney or newt gingrich. that's enough of a nightmare alone to re-elect o by a landslide!
CHAINS you can believe in.
Amendment 6...
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Obama was the Judge Jury and executioner, But he is a great president.... I think Not...
Fundamental Rights, are inalienable entitlements that belong, without presumption or cost of privilege to all human beings. The concept of human rights has been promoted as a legal concept in large part owing to the idea that human beings have such "fundamental" rights, that transcend all jurisdiction. Our Bill of Rights merely codified them and if we did not have a Bill of rights they would still exist.
Both are New World Order swine.
Porcine new-fascist and new-commie wreckers that, literally and figuratively, cannot grasp why politician's poll ratings are at an all-time low.
--infohiway
You watch, if it isn't already occurring, the aforementioned cries of so-called "traitorousness" to the safety of the homeland will fly from the GOP all over the place, or at least allusions to it. Dick(head) "Hates-Us-For-Our-Freedoms" Cheney and/or his "dark side" ilk will get on the CIA-controlled fawning corporate-fascist mainstream/lamestream media renewing the calls for why "we need" indefinite detention without trial for suspected domestic "terrorists" in order to rally the majority of the "American" populace to support it.
Most of the "American" people no longer understand, if they ever did, why the civil liberties protections from such things exist in the Constitution and Bill of Rights in the first place, so the majority of the population is already fooled into being for it, being deceived into believing that the corporate-fascist U.S. government, "after all, only wants to protect us". Or the majority of the "American" people won't speak out against indefinite detention without true due process of law for fear they too will be called "traitors", "soft on terrorism/terrorists" and/or "unpatriotic", etc., if they did speak out against it.
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