Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon called the (new Arizona immigration) law "unconstitutional on its face." Wondering if John Roberts would agree.
File photo, Arizona Rangers volunteer police on patrol, 04/03/05. (photo: AFP)
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This law was passed and signed into being by a few cowardly politicians groveling at the feet of the tea-bagging minority, and come election time they will be oh so sorry.
I ask Mr. Busselle to get down on his knees and beg the forgiveness of his ancestors who braved danger, injustice and all manner of petty prejudices not unlike those he so self righteously expresses so that they could make a fit life for themselves in a new land.
Unless your ancestors followed the buffalo, I'm guessing there are a few "immigrants" in your genepool --- maybe they just got in during an era when "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free ..." was more than a broken promise. We can do better. We can craft a policy that makes legal entry less cumbersome and expensive, a policy that benefits BOTH the U.S. and Mexico. East Berlin spent years "protecting" its borders, and in China today people who "look like they could be in the country illegally" (i.e. mostly non-Asians)can be asked to produce papers at any time. Is this who we want to be?
The teenager, US Born Citizen, who gets hauled in for not carrying immigration papers he never had and never needed?
We might need to go to Steven Colbert to find the appropriate word...maybe illegallants? Truthiness seems to be reigning.
My next trip is to Az.
Should UDI's deal with YOU that AMERICAN way?
Your laws should:
Jail ALL those who hire UDI's, - the jobs are exploiting them as pseudo SLAVES anyway.
Stop the export of weapons to Mexico. Stop the war on drugs and destroy that criminal trade, and,
Stop the resulting de-stabilization of Mexico.
someone is having a Homer Simpson moment.
My next trip is to Az.
People who have never lived in a police state have a tendency to throw the term around rather liberally. A police state is one where the police exercise arbitrary power irrespective of the law or based on "unpublished law." Neither is the case in AZ where the legislator and the governor have enacted the law and where the police will be simply enforcing the laws of the state of Arizona.
Nils, get it right. I have lived in a "police state", by your definition, while in the service of the US Government. In a police state, the police are only nominally subject to the law. Illegal search and seizure is illegal everywhere in the US, except in AZ now. To enforce their new law, the police must violate the Constitution as there is really no premafacia evidence of being an illegal in AZ other than race. Race is nearly the only ground for suspecting that a citizen might not be legal and all arrests on this basis are a violation of basic civil rights.
Why? People carrying valid AZ or other states driver licenses can be hauled off to jail for no other reason than they don't have their birth certificate with them. I'm sure all "legal" Arizonans carry their's with them.
I'm booking my vacation in Az soon.
Gee Tom, I'm a white anglo-saxon protestant whose ancestors stole this land and nearly killed off all the rightful occupants. Yep, Europeans were the very model of the worst in illegal immigrants. The legal claim for ownership by us in this hemisphere was just plain horrible...and as for being law abiding who would never aid and abet illegal immigration, history says otherwise.
I wish everyone like you would not only book a vacation in Arizona but would move there so the rest of us could point to a place on the map where all the stupid bigots lived.
http://azgovernor.gov/Contact.asp
Or email the Arizona Tourism Office here and let them know whether you like to vacation in police states:
kcouchon@azot.gov
The hyperbole must stop. The Nazis would pick up the illegals, & kill them or put them in concentration camps. Enforcing the law is not necessarily draconian or evil if applied fairly.
This is a reasonable law. Stop using incendiary language when this is a response to the non-enforcement of the law by the Federal government.
I'm booking my trip to Az.
Two uncles of mine died fighting those damn Nazi in Europe and by god, it's about time we fight them again...only this time Arizona.
This governors and her nazi congress has degraded all the white people in Arizona in the eyes of the entire Western Hemisphere in throughout the world.
How many illegal immigrants would be too many for this country? 50 million? 100 million? One billion? Or do you think that anyone who can slip into the country has the right to stay? What if there were a family of 12 living in your guestroom?
Hooray for New Mexico! It is the example all states should follow.
The average American, who doesn't live in a border state, will have little understanding of the big picture in those states. It is complex and ugly and citizens feel the pressure of having so many different types of illegals moving in on them. Not all are simple citizens of Mexico seeking employment. Of course, those folks are often used and abused. Many coming across that border are the worst criminals this country has ever seen, and they are coming in from both Central and South America. Gangs have literally taken over small towns in the U.S. and the drug industry, such as along the corridor between Birmingham AL and Atlanta has made an enormous impact.
Arizona is not the only state or community that has passed laws in an attempt to control the mess.
Those lazy south of the border people dont want to do that. To paraphrase a rock song, "They want it all and they want it now!"
This country was built by hardy souls who had no safety net, no government guarantys, nothing but a desire to build something better for their children. When "those people" do that, then we might aught to have some regard for them. But until then, let them stay home. They are not my concern. GOD BLESS ARIZONA! YEEHAW!!
CNN) -- Lawmakers in Belgium on Thursday approved a ban on the wearing of burqas and other Islamic garb that covers a woman's face but the bill must still be approved by the upper house of parliament before it becomes law.
If the Senate approves it, Belgium would become the first country in Europe to ban the burqa.
The vote in the Chamber of Deputies was 136 in favor, none opposed and two abstentions, according to Dominiq van Dendossche, a press officer for the Belgian parliament.
Excellent point Nils! Perhaps we should give the Statue of Liberty back to France anyway to remind them of the dignity and stature they have lost in being so stupid as to ban the burqa! Perhaps we should simply sink it in the sea just off of Normandy to illustrate that neither they, nor we, deserve to have this fine monument.
Excellent reply Nils!
And the "hardy souls" who "built this country" massacred American Indians to do it, and they didn't put up with immigration restrictions either.
And those "south of the border people" might have a better chance of "fixing up their own country" if THIS country would fix its drug laws so as not to make the drug business in Mexico the most lucrative industry this side of Wall Street.
Good grief, man, learn something before you spout off.
Romans 13:1-7 states: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong."
Now, I for one do not agree with that passage personally, for one would be hard pressed to show it any measure of respectability when considering such brutal regimes as Hitler's Reich, or the act of Native Americans and Mexicans being displaced by the European Whites. That is unless you are one whose answer to everything is that 'God works in mysterious ways', and perhaps he does. But seeking logical answers in the bible to today's complex problems is probably illogical itself.
1. NAFTA prevents Mexico from protecting their agriculture from subsidized (by the American taxpayer) American corn. This puts Mexican farmers (especially the small farmer) out of business and they head North for money to feed their families.
2. America allows money from the rich Mexicans to enter the US with only a declaration of the money, if it is more than $10,000. I once brought $86,000 into the US for a rich Mexican for whom I was doing energy efficiency work. IF this money transfer had been reported to the Mexican IRS, then it would most likely have been taxed in Mexico and the money invested in Mexico which would create employment there.
The corrupt and rich in America are creating problems in Mexico. We need to clean up our own act before we persecute the poor man who is only looking for food for his family.
Peter Robinson
cabotool@yahoo.com
The entire southern hemisphere south of the border has now condemned Arizona as a hateful Nazi Regime.
I strongly believe the rest of the USA should do the same.
I also urge all Hispanics in Arizona and throughout the USA to return the favor by insulting all white in Arizona racially. After all, they never liked Hispanics but insulting them will at least respect you!
Bottom line: The majority of us U.S. Latinos (citizen and legal residents) are fed up with the negative impact by illegals on our wages, taxes, schools, hospitals, neighborhoods, etc.
Employers must be convinced to use the E-Verify program ICE offers to verify legal status of workers. Also, deny welfare, free education, health care, etc. to illegals and they'll go home.
Maybe they can take their supporter "activists" with them.
Rofolfo Quijano
San Antonio TX
Great question! After the Arizona law, let's start with the so-called Patriot Act!!
We should object to the enforcement of laws that are racist in character and vigorously protest any of these that are enforced. We should do everything in our power disrupt the government of any entity trying to impose and enforce a law that is racist in character...such as the new law in Arizona.
It's called civil disobedience any many great people have recommended it and some have even been murdered as a result and are remembered as heroes. You do remember Martin Luther King and Mohandes Ghandi don't you?
At it again, I see, with strong opinions and weak evidence. The perfect trifecta when complemented by a call to disobey the law in the name of civil disobedience.
Mexicans are not a race. Hispanic surnamed individuals are not a race. Speakers of Spanish are not a race.
But crossing into our country in violation of our laws and international law (which you seem to revere at more opportune times for your arguments) IS a crime. You can be deported for it. So, get off the soapbox and address real issues.
That YOU really are aware that Mexicans, Hispanic surnamed individuals are not a race, and speakers of Spanish to boot, is just splendid! I agree completely! Too bad that neither the Arizona police nor most laymen seem to know that. The perception of race, though wrong, is THE reality. Sorry Nils.
And when did I ever fail to address real issues? Do my issues cease to be real just because you disagree? How totally absurd. Silly Nils!
If asking them to verify that they are whom they claim is such a horrible breach of rights then consider that every time you write a check, you are by your logic, in a police state. If you have to show an officer proof of insurance, registration and god forbid your license, you are once again by your logic in a police state. When you go to rent a post office box and need to produce two forms of identification, you are in a police state. Even when you go to renew your drivers license.
People in this country illegally have NO right to our freedoms.
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We have 500,000 illegal immigrants coming to live and work in our country every year. That needs to stop. Anyone here illegally should be deported, subject to amnesty for long-term residents.
But George W. Bush and the Chamber of Commerce are demanding immigration "reform" as follows: (1) amnesty for everyone here illegally; (2) change the law to allow businesses to import as many workers as they want, with no restrictions. This will destroy the ability of American working people to earn a living or demand fair wages and decent working conditions.
We do not need to change all our laws. Just start enforcing them. And watch out for the "reform" groups that are secretly trying to destroy American workers.
I assume they have not read the constitution either.
Just what do they propose- Grant citizenship to each and every one who illegally comes across the border for years and years to come? They should read the laws in Mexico about illegal aliens. That would shut them up.
What I propose is that the laws be enforced that prohibit employers from hiring illegals. With stiff punishment for infractions, that would probably suffice by and large.
It will never withstand Constitutional scrutiny, and is cheap grandstanding for the upcoming elections, raw meat for the increasingly addled Republican party.
Until EVERY rich Arizona woman or man is willing to wipe their own baby's bottom, do their own housecleaning, do their own landscaping, etc., we will continue to have an influx of people who WANT these jobs, as meager as the pay is, and with no benefits.
Even those couples who DO file tax forms using the phony documents provided by their "help" so that they can write it off results in no real benefit to the workers.
Register them as "temp workers". And KILL this bill.
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