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Hedges begins: "Today I will teach my final American history class of the semester to prison inmates. We have spent five weeks reading Howard Zinn's 'A People's History of the United States.'"

Portrait, historian Howard Zinn, 1922-2010, 06/15/90. (photo: People's History)
Portrait, historian Howard Zinn, 1922-2010, 06/15/90. (photo: People's History)

 

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+16 # Guest 2010-08-07 00:39
We need more Howard Zinn's in this world!
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-08-07 03:44
Shows you how sick this gov't and the rulers who control it are. Paranoid is not the word. They will do anything and everything , setting up agecies such as the FBI , to protect their fortune . Following every truth teller in the country. Howard Zinn was a threat . WHY,? because he told the truth.He didn't play the game.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-08-07 05:49
nwlk--there is no such thing as unbiased positions. it is an idea that is impossible. every single person operates out of a particular position--whether they know it or not. thus when teaching history you are either teaching the elitist, ruling class position or the people's position. racism, for example, has not other position other than that is is a human disgrace and an evil. yet, your so-called balanced position is to teach it as if it is only a neutral historical fact that benefitted the wealthy land owners with no critical analysis of the hows, whys and wherefores of that fascistic institution. there is a need to expose the thinking and behavior of the elite who interpret and write history for their benefit. but once you begin to teach the peope's side, then you have stepped into Zinn's universe, stripping off the blinders of those who would not see.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-08-07 06:23
because he was a MAN, not just some numnutz 'guy'.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-08-07 06:32
We also need more Chris Hedges. It saddens me to think you won't be teaching American history to the inmates any more, Chris. i am sure that means another significant loss to them; however, I hope that means you will have more time for writing. I assign an excerpt of "War is a force that gives us meaning" in my Psychology of War and Peace class every summer and it always generates good discussion.
 
 
-19 # Guest 2010-08-07 07:32
You do disservice to your students and to American culture, sir, when you present one sided, philosophically biased, fact starved history to prison inmates many of whom have world views based on poor education that led them to commit the crimes for which they are incarcerated. Your point of view is consistent with a world view filled with hate for whatever is. Like a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum, your emotional reaction against conditions beyond your understanding cause you to simply demonstrate unhappiness with whatever conditions have displeased you. Evil is a part of the world. Fortunately so is virtue. The two are bound up in our culture. To focus on one to the exclusion of the other brings one to the side of evil. To praise everything done in the name of virtue is also to bring one to the side of evil. Our national ideals shine a light into the darkness. We might follow that light to the extent that we embrace the foundations expressed in our Declaration and Constitution.
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-08-07 09:49
Quoting
Evil is a part of the world. Fortunately so is virtue. The two are bound up in our culture. To focus on one to the exclusion of the other brings one to the side of evil.


If you were to read Howard Zinn's book, Mr. Botkin, you would see that he focuses a great deal on the positive, much more so than most history books. Granted, it's the positive of successful and brave resistance, which is not likely what you mean. But it's one of the strongest "feel good" history books I've read, even though much of it also makes you pissed off.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-07 16:32
And how do you know that this history zinn/hedges present is fact starved? 'a world view filled with hate for whatever is'? Say what? 'Evil is part of our world. Fortunately so is virtue. The two are bound up in our culture', and thus noting the evil is somehow in itself evil, because 'our national ideals shine a light into the darkness', and shining a light on the inconsistencies in carrying out those ideals is somehow 'a disservice to [his] students and to American culture'? Defending 'whatever is' is just not sufficient, sir. How does that reflect 'the foundations expressed in our Declaration and Constitution'?
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-08-08 11:23
You have totally missed the point of what Chris Hedges is doing. He is telling the truth seldom told. If he has private opinions about it that differ from yours, that's none of your business. You sound like an intelligence conservative, perhaps in his early 20's, born with a silver spoon in his mouth, no doubt, who has never seriously thought about or studied government (including America's) and its less than savory nuances. You say, "Our national ideals shine a light into the darkness." What and whose darkness do you mean, if not our very own? Mister, we are the darkness ... as much as the light. By the darkness do you mean how this nation has historically trampled minorities (and continues to do so), how it has ruined so many lives not just at home but abroad thanks to agencies such as the FBI and CIA? (Not to mention an imperialistic military policy.) You are the one who demonstrates a lack of understanding for the darker realities of our national history.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-09 00:13
I am grateful for Howard Zinn's books but I only read them after reading accounts of the actions of the CIA & our gov. in Latin America & Vietnam, etc. I read these accounts
in recently declassified papers available on
the official CIA website. In every case it backs up Prof. Zinn's information.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-09 20:21
Um...what? Don't teach History to the uneducated? Hate for hatred? Hate for injustice? Hate for war and Man's nature in general? Hate for Man's psychotic self-aggrandizement? Homo sapiens? And how does the bodkin express unhappiness? Emotionlessly? Evil? Virtue? So...no History for the uneducated but Evil and Virtue is okay? How 'bout ying and yang or, better, yoni and (I've forgotten)? Anyway, who is this bird, the bodkin? Why doth he squawk so?
 
 
+13 # Guest 2010-08-07 09:19
Mr. Botkin,

It has long been my contention that when one has knowledge, one discusses the issues. When one is uncertain, one simply disparages the opinions of others. When one knows nothing, one sinks to ad hominem attacks.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-07 15:24
Ms. Bianchi, with your permission I would like to use your words for my email sig! Well said.

"... when one has knowledge, one discusses the issues. When one is uncertain, one simply disparages the opinions of others. When one knows nothing, one sinks to ad hominem attacks."
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-09 20:25
Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt
US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-08-07 10:40
Ms. Bianchi, you provide a wonderful example of an ad hominim attack. Thanks.

Mr. Krumm, Contemporary education in America is directed from a foundational position in the ideas of Rousseau. If you read my comment, you should be able to discern that it was not a response to Professor Zinn's history, but to the disservice to students done by Mr. Hedges. Texts are the tools of teachers.
Rousseau promoted notions that led to the rise of the Sans Coulottes, or rather the rise of those who used the power of the Sans Coulottes. A reign of terror results often when cynical leaders harness ignorant masses to their wills. Liberal education is the cure for what ails us all. Reading skills and thinking skills go hand in hand. Together they might untie the knots that agenda driven dabblers in history have bequeathed us.
 
 
-2 # Guest 2010-08-07 14:04
If this is your contention, I can see no reason why you have one with what Mr. Hedges is doing. Admittedly, the education he is giving them is radical, rather than your lauded "liberal". He, more so than contemporary schools, is working from a Rousseauian base, reading stories from people of the past, as opposed to summarized "objective" re-tellings. Narratives rather than the banking style education that is ACTUALLY the core precept of status quo schools. No, liberal education can only serve to enslave us with homogenized education. We need radical education and there are no better pupils than those who have been denied both.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-08-07 10:49
Those who would defend the conduct of the government in general and the FBI in particular would likely argue that their actions were successfully preemptive, meaning because they hounded Zinn his intent to be subservice was throttled and compromised. These people can always justify their actions and intent.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-08-07 17:26
How sad that my government would consider Professor Zinn a threat. The man is my biggest hero and he is missed every day. Peoples History is my favorite history book.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-09 00:20
I also consider him a great hero. I wish we
could have used his book in our history classes. I have given away copies of his book to young people I know, that show an interest. (You can get used ones really cheap). I hope this honors him in some way.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-07 18:55
Ms. Luyks, be careful with that aphorism. It is one that always skewers its hurler.

Mark D and John S, I hardly know how to begin when I see that you seem not to know that a liberal education is one of extensive emphasis on literature, science, math, biology, history and the entire spectrum of human achievement. In Mr. Hedges essay, there is little evidence of anything more complex than outgrowths of Marxist ideology. Instead of fostering a love for humanity and history we find that, "Zinn's book ... is revered because these men intimately know racism, manipulation, poverty, abuse and the lies peddled by the powerful." Reverence might best be given something greater than this. I might not be alone in seeing this as purposeful encouragement of the antisocial attitudes and behaviors that resulted in criminality.

Perhaps studying King Lear or The Tempest might foster a sense of tragedy that transcends ego.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-08-08 08:09
Zinn and Chomsky are intellectual forces which will bring down any government who rely on lies, deception, corruption and greed to exist.

That is why these two gentlemen are not invited to any gathering of vultures which constitutes the Legislature, Executive and Judicial Branches of the USA government.

That is why our nation has degraded into what it has become today. Fools like Hannity, Beck, Rumsfeld and O'Reilly are preferable than intellectuals forces like Zinn, Chomsky and many others.

Truth, human values, civil rights, democracy, international cooperation, freedom, liberty are secondary to greed, corruption, lies and deception in the present way of life in the US now.

Are there any options? No, the two-party political system is too embedded in the USA.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-09 07:11
To read a decent review of Zinn's book, visit http://hnn.us/articles/1493.html

History reduced to an idiological tool is no longer history.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-09 11:37
This why Mr. Hedges is writing, Mr. Botkin, and you're not. If you are as pedantic when speaking as you are when writing, you must be lonely. Please, re-read the essay and the comments and try to understand how important Zinn still is. Thank you for your resplendent definition of a liberal education....You can still obtain one, you know......
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-10 14:10
Loui,
Is pedantry to be confused with grammar or indication of inconvenient facts? Resplendent definition? Hardly. Ms Bianchi offered an oxymoronic aphorism that began, "... when one has knowledge, one discusses the issues,..." Mr. Zinn certainly displays no complete system of knowledge in his book. It is rather a rant against western culture filled with one-sided, simplified declarations of the unfairness of life. Reading a representative collection of primary documents concerning any period he touches will give a considerably different impression of the meaning of those events to any coherent conception of historical events. Ex. Pequoit War, the entry of Cortez into Tenochtitlan, Columbus and the Caribbean cannibals, ad nauseum. Google will help you toward better sources of information. You might even enter a study of Islamic influences on Spanish culture from 711-1492 AD.

Good luck and may God bless your study.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-11 10:10
Truth is YOUR PERCEPTION of reality.

UNTIL

REALITY CHANGES YOUR PERCEPTION
 
 
0 # Zach 2010-11-20 10:21
Hurray for moral relativism!!!

That's pretty much the only defense I've heard for people like Zinn. Everything else is just hypothetical let's-all-ignore-what-amazing-things-we've-accomplished-so-far and how the world actually works whitewashing. Communism worked great, Zinn...until it and Keynesian economics were discredited 80-something years ago.

If I worked for the Fed the only reason I would "fear" people like that is that they gum up the works with contrived bullshit and theories that we have to constantly tell them over and over again that they don't work.
 

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