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Keith Olbermann: "We all know 'the five second rule.' Drop food on the floor and if you pick it up before that span of time elapses, and it'll still be 'good.' There is also a life-and-death version of this: the five-day rule, by which we have surrendered to any US President the right to kill people in our name, provided he only does it for a couple of days."

Keith Olbermann speaks at the Television Critics Association Press Tour, 07/21/08. (photo: Frederick M. Brown/Getty Images)
Keith Olbermann speaks at the Television Critics Association Press Tour, 07/21/08. (photo: Frederick M. Brown/Getty Images)

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+18 # Huff Jones 2011-03-24 09:13
Our world has become so small relative to how it was a few decades ago. The inhabitants of this earth are much more interconnected today, with so many of us having the ability to reach across borders and cultures via the world wide web.

There is so much more of a world community than there has ever been. This global community is not much different than its countless smaller communities that are so similar to the one we live in.

More and more we realize that people in distant lands are much like us, and they want the same things from life that we want where we live. People everywhere want work that supports them, a safe place to live, and basic human rights and freedoms.

If a strong movement emerged to remove a corrupt leader from power in my home community, and that leader's response was to literally slaughter the people in the movement, I would want our municipal safety department and our national guard to respond quickly and aggressively to end the killing and remove that leader from power.

That is what we are doing in LIbya. All nations are members of the world community at large, and the world community must not allow the leaders of nations to massacre the people who reside in them.

Huff Jones
Eugene, Oregon
 
 
+26 # Observer 47 2011-03-24 11:08
I'd agree with you, Huff, if our goal in Libya really WAS to protect the civilians. But as Mr. Olbermann points out, bombing Libya's air forces does nothing to protect the civilians from the ground troops, their transport, and their weapons. It's about the oil. Period. Therefore, we have no business dropping bombs.
 
 
+35 # Lestrad 2011-03-24 11:42
So now it's off to Bahrain and Syria to save their people from their leaders? Come on. You don't really buy this stuff, do you? The US, like it or not, is not in the business of saving innocent civilians. We are in the business of putting those murderous leaders in power to protect "our interests." Get used to it. You and I and our lifestyle have a share in the guilt for all the murder and suffering we have enabled and supported for over two centuries - starting with the Native Americans, on up through the Philippines and Nicaragua and Guatemala and Chile, and Iraq. Go to school, man. Your sanctimoniousne ss would be spat on by any of those untold thousands who have suffered at the hands of the imperial USA.
 
 
+9 # kiwibill44 2011-03-25 13:06
No-one appears to understand that although it is a US president & army talking-up the attack on Libya, neither the USA president, politicians, peoples or the so-called "coalition of the willing", have any control over decisions to propagate this war. All, those decisions are taken by the unelected, multi-national, corporate, Government of the world.
This is why it just doesn't matter whether it is a Democratic or a Republican President in office. They all obey the will of their overlords and any perceived differences are cosmetic. The corporates do not care whether it is the US army or any other that carries out it's policies by proxy. So although US policies will eventually lead to it's downfall, this doesn't matter to the real perpetrators because they have no loyalty to any country (except that which goes by the name of "off-shore account"). The USA, with the most advanced army is a useful tool for its toxic enterprises. Should the power of the US fail then another will be used instead. It is all win, win for the corporates. For them, the Soviet Union WAS a real problem as the USSR belonged to an alternative economic universe. China, USSR have now returned to the fold & they are emboldened with no threat to their multi-enterprises.
So! There is no hope that anything will get better, because we all look the other way while the economic magicians play their hand
 
 
+24 # slyfox 2011-03-24 12:37
The world community does not give one 'tinkers dam' about the powerful killing civilians in war.

This is clearly war over resources. Why don't user nations just pay the market price for the developing nations resources. Bargaining is a custom in the African and Arab world. Why can't we just compete with China, and stop being the "world's Bully." The one being bullied, at some point may turn out to be stronger than you. Haven't we learned yet that war only destroys resources, and causes more destruction of what has been built.

I agree with Keith Olbermann, it is time that we americans know exactly what this fight is about. Not knowing only adds to more distrust in our government.
 
 
+9 # Loup-Bouc 2011-03-24 15:55
True: It is a war fought for resources, not an intervention engaged to protect civilians. But the matter is not so much saving oil fields as it is controlling oil availability. The US and UK and France want to control oil availability to control the quantity of marketed supply to keep oil price high.

The Big oil companies do not care whether some oil is lost because of violent conflict. Their concern is controlling the market-flow of supply to support greater price.
 
 
+1 # John Drean 2011-03-24 09:39
yes, it would be nice to see clear goals, wouldn't it? But if we agree or disagree makes no difference. What it all boils down to is, we have no say-sa in the matter! The Pres. is after all the Comander and Chief of the armed service's.
 
 
+24 # chester 2011-03-24 10:22
It would be refreshing to have them come out and say 'We have to protect the oil and keep it flowing, no matter who gets hurt or who's leads the government.' I doubt very many people are buying the 'protect the civilians from Kaddiffi's mercenaries.' There can be no winning here or any kind of mission accomplished.....except for the usual winners, the arms merchants and military contractors. More missiles on order. Yes, sir. Right away, sir. Oh, yeah, another another F-15 or two.
 
 
+24 # todd williams 2011-03-24 10:31
Keith, perhaps you could also explore the connection between BP Oil and other oil companies for their financial support of Libya's dictatorship. Oil exploration has been ongoing there since 1959 and the Libyan government has reaped billions of dollars in profits from these oil giants. In fact, there would be no Libyan government per se without the financial backing of the oil industry. Perhaps the US government should cancel all BP drilling contracts in this country as punishment for its involvement with this evil dicator as well as its criminal negligence in the recent Gulf Oil spill.
 
 
+10 # Pat Tibbs 2011-03-24 11:06
Watching sausage being made is not a healthy activity. I suspect that the administration didn't sync its messages sufficiently and now we're left to wonder whether the administration wants Qhadafi to do, or not.

Given the tightness of message out of POTUS presidential campaign it's surprising how inept the administration has been since taking office.
 
 
+2 # t33air@gmail.com 2011-03-24 11:12
More important is to solve aging and find another planet for the almost 7 billion people on Earth before
we run out of the necessary resources to keep even half of these people reasonably well-fed and enabled to
work. Since there are so many religions and most of them indicate that there will be an afterlife, I am not
denigrating them. I simply want to stay alive until we discover, if we ever do, which one we should be
praying to in order to ensure life everlasting [to use their phrasing].

I grew up in St. Louis and was a St. Louis Cardinal fan and I
later found out that my granduncle was a private secretary to
August Busch.
 
 
+2 # KittatinyHawk 2011-03-24 14:59
GOP are going to be leaving us here with the mess when the go to the moon or mars...I hope they end up on Mercury would be befitting
 
 
+18 # Realist 2011-03-24 11:24
Where does the Constitution authorize the President to use the five second, five day, five year, five decade rule? My copy of the Constitutions says that only the House of Representatives can declare war. Does my copy have a five day disappearing clause?
 
 
+7 # Loup-Bouc 2011-03-24 13:28
No. The US Constitution (just one, not "Constitutions"), its Article I, Section 8, state "The Powers of Congress" (not the powers of the House of Representatives , but the powers of the whole Congress), and that section states:

"The Congress shall have Power * * *

"* * *

"To declare War * * *"
 
 
-6 # Joseph 2011-03-24 11:33
While Mr Olberman's quips are all well and good, lest we fall prey to the temptation of complaining merely to hear our own voice, comparing stopping the bombing runs by Gadahfi to the interferring with the relatively peaceful events in Egypt becomes offensive to those attempting to search for greater good.
 
 
+19 # abdullahiedward 2011-03-24 11:52
Huff Jones said - "... and that leader's response was to literally slaughter the people in the movement,". I would like to remind him of all the famous American and other Western world leaders rained down similar claims about Saddam Hussein less than 10 years ago. Somehow, most of those claims turned out to be baseless jingoism design to obtain the support of the masses to go along with their little war that would "cost less than $50 billion" and would most likely "pay for itself" as well as rout out a fanatic Muslim dictator who possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction. I am convinced that the so called "slaughter of the innocents" that everyone uses to justify this little war, was a long planned CIA covert op successfully implemented with the co-operation and participation of the "news" media, who had spent the past 30 years brainwashing the world that Ghaddafi was a stark raving lunatic who needed to be removed. Accusations do not guilt make.
In case you don't know what you're trying to bomb out of existence, let me give you a few hints; free medical from birth to death; free education from nursery to university; guaranteed house & job when attaining age 22; guaranteed pension for life from age 60; no inflation since 1969! In short, one of the most advanced social welfare programs of all time
 
 
+11 # in deo veritas 2011-03-24 13:46
Too bad nobody came to save us from Bush and Cheney since we were too stupid to save ourselves when we had the chance in 2004. Who will save us from the corporate fascists on Wall Street and their stooges in Washington DC, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Ohio?We have been had.
 
 
+7 # in deo veritas 2011-03-24 13:48
If we hadn't been too busy bailing out bankers and allowing the rich to take over the country maybe we would have been able to have a program like that. Easy to see where our "government's" priorities lie. THis has to stop!
 
 
+8 # Loup-Bouc 2011-03-24 12:01
PART 2

The Constitution gives Congress ALONE the power of declaring war. Even if the UN authorizes war, if Congress does not declare that war, the President cannot act. The President’s emergency power does not apply. E.G., The Caroline Case, 29 BFSP 1137-1138 (1841).

The Constitution trumps UN Resolutions that clash with the Constitution. The Constitution trumps also the War Powers Act. If the War Powers Act would make exception to the Constitutional provision, it is unconstitutiona l — especially if it “validates” Presidential thefts of Congressional power, as if the thefts’ frequency makes them valid.

The US military is attacking Libyan territory NOT to protect civilians, but to secure US petroleum interests by removing Gadhafi, whose government had become unstable (such instability threatens U.S. oil interests) and aligned with Venezuela's Chavez (who threatens US oil interests). In Bahrain & Yemen, oppressive measures kill & maim protestors, but we do not intercede, since those nations’ lands bear little or no oil.

The UN Resolution did not authorize the US to bomb Libyan territory or destroy Gadhafi’s military & communications apparatus & infrastructure. The Resolution authorized only creation of a no-fly zone & interceding merely to stop the actual or imminent harming of civilians.
 
 
-3 # KittatinyHawk 2011-03-24 15:03
Please this is their interest over there. It is being protected, military of 'boner;s' is being used.
This was not an act of War. UN asked for intervention, many countries went, We just were better, needed to waste money..not needed elsewhere.

but I have not see us defend anyone else except in bull, or money. Rebels wanted Weapons but GOP were not giving handouts
 
 
+14 # Loup-Bouc 2011-03-24 12:01
PART 1

Congress ought force Obama to stop invading Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan.

Obama’s Libya invasion goes beyond the UN authorization; so it is illegal. Congress did not authorize it; so it is illegal.

The other invasions are clear violations of international law and, so, illegal.

The House of Representatives ought impeach Obama. The Senate ought convict him. He is an arch criminal, like Bush & Cheney, and for the same reasons, and more.

The D of J ought prosecute Obama, Bush, and Cheney. The federal judiciary ought imprison all three for life without chance of parole.

Not only are Obama, Bush, and Cheney arch criminals, but their military crimes have cost the federal budget a deficit of more than $6.6 Trillion, while social services, clean & safe energy, and infrastructure have suffered huge funding-lacks.

Do not vote for Republicans or Democrats, except the very rare Democrat true progressives. Vote for independent progressives and progressive third party candidates. Join the Wisconsin labor revolution.
 
 
+9 # KittatinyHawk 2011-03-24 15:07
When you put George Senior on trial, GW, Cheney on trial than put Clinton and Obama.
Meantime, put the Military on Trial for the acts they have allowed/trained Service People to do.
GOP is making billions off this war helping out Halliburton...
 
 
+7 # futhark 2011-03-24 15:25
You are in Heaven when you give a panhandler who asks for a dollar a fiver. You are in Heaven when you donate blood to your local blood bank. You are in Heaven when you donate food and/or money to your local food bank. You are in Heaven when government officials honor their oaths of office and follow legal procedures in the execution of their duties.

You are in Hell when your tax dollars are used to shoot and bomb innocent civilians on the other side of the planet. You are in Hell when the government monitors your telephone calls, emails, web surfing, and library usage.
 
 
+5 # ritaague 2011-03-24 12:03
Wow, todd williams, what an amazing concepts - asking the best journalist to do what he does best, i.e. explore things (a.k.a. real McCoy investigative reporting vs. karlroving/Faux News spin, manipulation, distraction).

And then you suggest actually holding oil villainaires accountable for their evil involvement and criminal negligence.

It's like someone just opened a window, and a breath of fresh air and glimmer of hope drifted in. Thank you, todd!
 
 
+7 # msrplaisir 2011-03-24 12:51
What I like about this is it shows the independent thinking of liberal commentators. Conservatives, right wingers and Republicans stay in lockstep for the most part, unless what they perceive as crucial doctrine, such as higher taxes (a la G. Bush I), might be violated. Liberals don't always go along with the program, just because it's the program.
 
 
+12 # Susan W 2011-03-24 12:58
Obama learned his lessons well from Dubya and company. Since the Constitution says only Congress can declare war, just go invade some faraway country for "humanitarian reasons" and even though it looks like a war, sounds like a war and seeems to be a war it isn't a war if you don't call it one. Really, does Operation New Dawn, or whatever it is named, sound like a war?

Up is down, black is white and war is peace.
 
 
-21 # conservativelibertine 2011-03-24 13:13
Wow....

a la Walter Cronkite.

When you have lost Olbermann, you have lost the loony left.
 
 
+5 # fredboy 2011-03-24 14:04
So we will now attack every regime that defends itself against rebels?

Or just pick those whose ass we know we can beat and who do not have us by the financial tit?

Will we soon be invading the Sudan to protect the Darfur refugees? If not, why not?
 
 
+5 # Marian Cruz 2011-03-24 15:00
Great article. Wonder if all those people that wanted important landmarks named after Ronald Reagan are aware of his comments re Quaddafi? His comments don't seem very presidential to me.
 
 
+8 # OM 2011-03-24 16:30
The "military-industrial complex" is making money and controls the media coverage. Eisenhower and others have warned that their "perpetual need for war" will lead to the "destruction of
America".
 
 
0 # TBL 2011-03-24 23:22
Generally I like your commentaries Keith.However,if we are to stand for anything it should be assisting popular uprising.Remember "our" revolution? For to long we have backed the dictators and suffered the blow back that comes with it.Isn't it time we practice what we preach and allow the citizens of these countries some modicum of self-determination.
 
 
0 # hsokoloff 2011-03-25 05:51
Keith,

Glad you're here, but you need to update your website with a "print" button that allows one to only print your comment without all the pages that follow.

Come to the 21st century.

Thanks
 
 
+5 # lin96 2011-03-25 07:31
Who is running this show anyway? We know it's not the President who is a tout who is doing someone else's bidding. We know it's not the leaders in Congress because they are touts who are doing someone else's bidding. They all run lines like a predictable script. They, whoever they are, have the people fighting amongst themselves so they can't unite in their own best interest. We have Governators who are taking rights away from our people as I write this. Now, who has the power and money to destroy a multitude of things that do not coinside with what is written in our Constitution and run multiple wars at the same time? It has to be the international alien financiers who are able to accomplish all of this simultaneously? Decades of past Presidents have done their bidding, and now Obama is. This is how many years it's taken them to get to this point not counting all the other past Presidents they had to fight who were not eager to advance their cause. It appears that they feel they've waited long enough. This is almost like the finale. The people used to stop unjust and illegal practices. Now they're only used to it and all of this has been made possible for world domination by the financiers. Only the people can say whether they'll allow this Un-American behavior. I hope they've awaken the giant and the people will once again become relevent.
 
 
+3 # Dr. Dapo 2011-03-25 12:19
Welcome back Mr.Speaker--Brother Olbermann. You write better than I'm. That's one of the gifts I always wanted from God. He has tole me to stop and concentrate on what He gave me--love the people. I abhor war by all means. War is an abomination. War must stop. Just look at your quotations from the rulers of the world--the presidents of America. They possessed the most potent weapons of mass destruction. America can destroy the world ten times over. God help us not to have an American president that hates everything that moves. God- please save us from American presidents. Amen!
 
 
-3 # Lesabre 2011-03-25 13:03
Olberman is way off base this time. He is starting to sound like a Beck Head. Obama is doing the right thing: Being cautious and letting the other nations lead this one. Other nations went with us on similar actions in the past. letting all those people get killed would really help us to bond with the survivors.
 
 
+1 # BBFmail 2011-03-27 10:29
from WorkersWorld:

The Western media are basing a great deal of their reporting on supposed facts provided by the exile group National Front for the Salvation of Libya, which was trained and financed by the U.S. CIA. Google the front’s name plus CIA and you will find hundreds of references.

The Wall Street Journal in a Feb. 23 editorial wrote that “The U.S. and Europe should help Libyans overthrow the Gadhafi regime.” There is no talk in the board rooms or the corridors of Washington about intervening to help the people of Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or Bahrain overthrow their dictatorial rulers. Even with all the lip service being paid to the mass struggles rocking the region right now, that would be unthinkable. As for Egypt and Tunisia, the imperialists are pulling every string they can to get the masses off the streets.

(snip)

Imperialism’s interest in Libya is not hard to find. Bloomberg.com wrote on Feb. 22 that while Libya is Africa’s third-largest producer of oil, it has the continent’s largest proven reserves - 44.3 billion barrels. It is a country with a relatively small population but the potential to produce huge profits for the giant oil companies. That’s how the super-rich look at it, and that’s what underlies their professed concern for the people’s democratic rights in Libya.
 
 
+2 # Lucius 2011-03-27 11:24
Hahahah....Oh, I so do miss my daily dose of Keith. No one in the mass media was better at pointing out the absurdities and ironies of US politics...
er, government.

Rep. Markey has it exactly right. If Libya didn't have OIL it would be of zero strategic interest. Syria, Baharain, Yemen slaughter their own people. Does the US lift a finger? Of course not. Did the US involve itself in the destruction of Yugoslavia or the Rwandian genocide? Of course not.

Toppling Qaddafi and replacing him with a pro-Western government has been the wet dream of Presidents since Reagan. So, yes, it is about the oil; and manifestly not about human beings who are just so much collateral damage or casualties of war.
 
 
0 # david J 2011-03-27 19:55
It's kind of simple: Here is a country, tired of being booted around by a despot/dictator and a large chunk of the population starts a rebellion, as in when the USA got tired of the English domination. The Libyians want a democratic style government and isn'that what George W.hung out in front of us in 2003? He said we had to get rid of a tyrant. But the people in Iraq were njot in revolt or asking to be saved. Here, in Libya we are helping these people achieve a regime change. The method Col Qaddafi was using was to slaughter civiliansw to show ther upstarts what was in store for their audacity to challenge. We did the right thing, as so many other nations say it the same way and created the coallition that is driving the colonel out of ofice. I believe the US military brains know the presence of air power and missile support will cripple the Libyian forces and they will scatter just as so many Arab armies have before either US or Israili forces. It's not anice job but I for one am proud we stood up to the task
 

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