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Keith Olbermann writes: "Stupid. Maybe President Obama would like to circle that word and rethink it's meaning. It would be stupid to keep pushing nuclear power at the exact hour that the 'safe and effective way' in Japan is proving to be 'that slight increase in radiation in Tokyo is nothing to worry about. But if you're within 20 miles of the plant please stay indoors because we don't know if the thing is going to meltdown, blow up, shoot nuclear rods into the sky or into the ground water, or what. Have a nice day.'"

Keith Olbermann. (photo: orlandoshaped/Photobucket)
Keith Olbermann. (photo: orlandoshaped/Photobucket)

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+57 # kschmitt 2011-03-15 08:57
Here's what I just don't get: Why do all the Conservajerks automatically and blindly just follow that Nuke Power tangent right off the cliff like the lemmings they are? It is time to wake up and really set a new direction in our technology investments to move to future forms of energy production (oh, and to some greater conservation of this resource).
 
 
+29 # Capn Canard 2011-03-15 09:35
kschmitt, that is a good question, but I think it is fear that is their motivation. They don't want to be the "one who differs". I guess it is the fear of being hen-pecked, singled out and ridiculed for not being an automaton who believes the same as everyone else. Can they wake up? Yes but but we can't wait for them we must go forward without 'em. No worries, it will be easier traveling without that extra weight.
 
 
0 # C.Cox 2011-03-30 09:06
I think the real reason is that they dred the need to neil before Rush Limbaugh and kiss his ring.
 
 
+5 # mike herrick 2011-03-16 08:44
I'll tell you why....Because the CONSERVAJERKS don't give a shit about the next generation. they are hoping their seed will take up where they left off when they check out. period.
 
 
+95 # portiz 2011-03-15 09:10
Wind, solar, wave, and tidal power -- had we invested the $1.5T we've spent on two dumb wars on these renewable sources, we wouldn't need to talk about nuclear power (and global oil shortages).

As long as there's no will, there will be no way.
 
 
+55 # fredboy 2011-03-15 09:17
Conservajerks follow the quick buck. That's all that matters to them. And most who vote with the blockheads will never get any of it.
 
 
+50 # Dorothy Goodhart 2011-03-15 09:24
Keith, I worried about nuclear plants when they had no good place to store the waste. It doesn't take what's happening in Japan to convince me that our future energy source should not be nuclear. I lived with kerosene lamps and wood cook stoves, surely we can innovate alternative methods if need be now.
 
 
+17 # alice 2011-03-15 13:53
Hey, don't worry. They'll just send it all to my state (SC), where our gov will be just delighted to take all that carcinogenic life-killing stuff and stick it in one of our poorer areas of the state, as everyone has been for years. Then, in case you haven't heard, the repignican congress can open up Yucca Mountain and start sending it there. I'm sure there won't be a problem there...
 
 
+30 # George D 2011-03-15 09:28
One of the critiques of Obama, during the election, was that he was "an empty suit". How they got there is of no consequence but the critics were apparently correct. At every turn, Obama has listened to his "stupid" advisers and continued the same "stupid" policies of his predecessor. He is indeed "an empty suit" but we all know that the alternative would have been racing to make America even worse than GWB left it.
Bailouts for Wall Street, pandering to the Neo-Con hawks, Gitmo, Afghanistan, Healthcare; Has this president done ANYTHING right?
Just being better than the alternative is not good enough for America and not good enough for me. We need an alternative in 2012. Howard Dean anyone?
 
 
+23 # ritaague 2011-03-15 12:10
Great idea, Geeorge D.. Howard was 'rode hard and put up wet', but he got back in the saddle and took on leading the Dems. No easy job, in this country where Dems. can be and are as bought by the villainiare rulers and their Koch suckers and enforcers. And, unlike a Pres. named Obama, his firm stands on so many important things have not faltered/disappeared.

And, then there's "look, no strings attached" Kucinich. What a strong ticket that would be. As long as we keep poll watchers present, and visibly register every 'notched' vote nationwide (with a ballot number on it that corresponds to the number on the paper ballot), in front of observing voters as those votes are cast, we might just be able to honestly vote into office(s) folks like Dean, Kucinich, etc., and real McCoy servers of we the sheeple, rather than all the Koch suckers who now occupy so many seats in Congress, statehouses, etc. Fight and fight and fight some more we must, in order to send our villainaire rulers and their puppets and enforcers to hell, and created the huge CHANGE so many of long for, the change that will UNDO THE COUP!
 
 
+6 # skylark 2011-03-15 14:59
ritaague and george D.
What the H-ll are we waiting for? Two great ideas that need promotion. Two seasoned pols with balls that would make a pawn shop blush!
 
 
+18 # alice 2011-03-15 13:54
I'm with you on Howard Dean. I would remind people, though, that the Wall Street Bailout occurred under Bush, though both candidates, Obama and McCain, supported the Wall Street Bailout. The Tea Party should remember that Boehner not only supported it, he cried while begging his party to support it.
 
 
+10 # DaveW 2011-03-15 15:25
George D, "Has this President done ANYTHING right?" Yes George he has. Virtually everything he does has been "RIGHT." If you get my meaning. Obama gives better speeches than his predecessor. After you take that into consideration, what is the REAL difference between them? AS for Keith's post and the nuclear dilemna in Japan its fairly simple. They don't, and we don't, and nobody has, contingency plans for "a worst case scenairo." We saw that in the Gulf of Mexico and we're seeing it again now. Our country, our planet and the living things upon it are truly " a disaster waiting to happen." I extend my heartfelt sympathies to the people of Japan who had no say in the decision to build nuclear power facilities in earthquake territory. To all the flora and fauna who will expire in the event of a meltdown and to all living things on this planet that have both the intuition and aspiration not worship at the alter of profit.
 
 
+7 # Sukumar 2011-03-15 18:19
Our contingency plans: run for your lives!
 
 
+5 # George D 2011-03-15 20:17
I got the pun; Didn't anyone else?

I told people from the beginning that Obama was "the real deal" and now all I can say is he was better than the alternative. Clinton? Ughh! Are these our ONLY choices?
I like the Dean-Kucinich idea. Dean could make it I think.

Quoting
George D, "Has this President done ANYTHING right?" Yes George he has. Virtually everything he does has been "RIGHT." If you get my meaning. Obama gives better speeches than his predecessor. After you take that into consideration, what is the REAL difference between them? AS for Keith's post and the nuclear dilemna in Japan its fairly simple. They don't, and we don't, and nobody has, contingency plans for "a worst case scenairo." We saw that in the Gulf of Mexico and we're seeing it again now. Our country, our planet and the living things upon it are truly " a disaster waiting to happen." I extend my heartfelt sympathies to the people of Japan who had no say in the decision to build nuclear power facilities in earthquake territory. To all the flora and fauna who will expire in the event of a meltdown and to all living things on this planet that have both the intuition and aspiration not worship at the alter of profit.
 
 
-2 # mikberg 2011-03-15 16:42
Comprehensive Health Care Reform
Prevented the Great Depression of 20009
Eliminated Don't Ask Don't Tell
Stopped defending DOMA in court.

Howard Dean couldn't get elected.
 
 
+3 # lkach 2011-03-16 04:57
Corporate Health Care Reform
Other than Banksters, we are still in the Great Recession
Threw a bone to Don't Ask Don't Tell opponents (who forget that Clinton first created this bone)
Defended DOMA in court.

Obama couldn't get elected, till he did.
Reply | Reply with quote | Quote
 
 
+32 # motamanx 2011-03-15 09:34
I was a "no nukes" person in the early 70's and this shit in Japan is what we all were talking about. We all did it, and we all knew it. We just didn't know or do it ENOUGH. We thought the disaster would come from planes or ICBMs.
 
 
+38 # Hors-D-whores 2011-03-15 10:36
Some did plenty to stop the building of the Diablo Canyon Nuclear power plant on top or close to one of the most volatile earthquake fault lines along the California coast, and 1,900 people who demonstrated against it were arrested. Many of us have been blowing gaskets trying to tell people that we need to invest in renewables for decades. President Carter was ridiculed for putting up solar panels on the White House, wanting to promote REALLY clean energy. But the money people with their dirty energy plans always win.
Nuclear is so dangerous that no insurance company will cover the liability. Taxpayers fund the construction, while companies make the profit. Our priorities are so skewed.
 
 
+15 # Regina1959 2011-03-15 14:41
Yes, Long Islanders put a stop to Shoreham Nuclear Power Plant out on the east end after the 3-Mile Island accident in Pennsylvania. It has always been a point of contention with Shoreham. As anyone who drives on Long Island knows, L.I. Expressway is a parking lot every day on a normal schedule, forget it if a crisis like the plant exploding there. Now one to watch for is the Indian Point Nuclear Power plant, situated on the Hudson, in direct line with a known fault zone. Now figure the disaster there. Storing spent fuel rods has also been a problem. Too much wasted rods to store forever at cost of money and lives if these are not properly stored.
 
 
+35 # Ken Picard 2011-03-15 09:36
Nuclear reactors need to be monitored very closely, even when they're no longer operational.

Consider the case of the Dresden 1 Nuclear Power Plant in Morris, Illinois, which was put into cold storage — what the nuclear industry euphemistically calls " SAFESTOR" — in 1994. That reactor was essentially closed up like an abandoned factory when it reached the end of its useful life. One winter, the heat in the building was turned off, and some pipes froze and burst, releasing 55,000 gallons of radioactive water into the basement.

If a night watchman hadn’t discovered the leak several days later, another pipe would have frozen as well. Had it burst, it would have drained the reactor’s entire fuel pool, releasing very high levels of radiation and causing an incredibly severe accident. And this was at a nuclear plant where two neighboring reactors — Dresden 2 and 3 — were still up and running and had personnel onsite.

Short answer: It doesn't take a 9.0 earthquake, a tsunami of epic proportions or a terrorist attack to create a truly ugly situation. Just ask the folks of Pennsylvania who lived downwind of Three Mile Island.
 
 
+28 # C. Bryan 2011-03-15 10:07
Does anyone else see the irony in naming a nuclear plant after a city that was literally destroyed by fire-bombing..?
 
 
+11 # Rhoda Draws 2011-03-15 10:49
Quoting
Does anyone else see the irony in naming a nuclear plant after a city that was literally destroyed by fire-bombing..?


YES!
 
 
+8 # Rhoda Draws 2011-03-15 10:49
YES!
 
 
+1 # Neil B 2011-03-19 14:48
Quoting
Does anyone else see the irony in naming a nuclear plant after a city that was literally destroyed by fire-bombing..?


About the same level of irony as having the worst nuclear plant accident happen at a place that literally translates into English as 'burned grass'.
 
 
+12 # Regina1959 2011-03-15 14:45
And ask the people who suffered the explosion at Chernobyl in Russia, what it was like. The death toll was high, as well as the mutilation and resulting high occurence of cancer in their children born just after that.
 
 
+45 # George D 2011-03-15 09:36
As for the conservatives; I have given up on trying to inform them. They don't function on information; They function on emotion. Give them something to fear, get angry about, or believe in and you are home free. There is no way to counter that mentality with information and logical thinking. It's obvious that the cunning jackals in the Republican party have figured that out long ago and have driven the wedge solidly between the left and the right in this country; And it continues for another generation or more. So; Just as with the incorrigible child that has to learn by experience, America is doomed to try to survive with half of it's citizens handicapped and enslaved by FOX propaganda and the Republican/Tea Party "cats" that the mice help to put in charge.
 
 
+12 # Millie 2011-03-15 19:32
George D.
You're right on what you said but when you said that "half of it's citizens handicapped and enslaved by FOX propaganda and the Republican/Tea Party "cats" you forgot to mention the Evangelical Christians. Please read "The Family" by Jefff Sharlet. He went undercover at the Family's Arlington, VA compound and did research of the Evangelical Christians and the power this organization has in Washington, DC.
The Republicans, Tea Party and Evangelical Christians' goal is to take control not only of USA but the rest of the World.
 
 
+7 # DaveW 2011-03-16 08:20
Millie, I read "The Family" last year. I believe Sharlett has a folluw-up out now. Truly frightening book. "Jesus plus Nothing." Let the circle be unbroken. Readers would be shocked/fascinated by just "who" affiliates itself with this bunch, their past activities and their ultimate goal of world domination. GOOD SUGGESTION!
 
 
+45 # LiberalLibertarian 2011-03-15 09:39
First, let say I am against Nuclear Power.

The plants in Japan were minimally damaged by the quakes. They are on the edge of meltdowns mainly due to damage done by the quakes to the power grid, followed by the damage done to the backup local power from the tsunami. And lastly by failure of on site batteries to have enough power to shut down the plants smoothly.

The lesson is that whatever we prepare for, something else may break the nuclear power plant. And every time that happens, we will be suprised and every time it will be a catastrophe.

Build windmills, hydro-electric plants, solar panels, invent something new and safe. No More Nukes.
 
 
+10 # mike b 2011-03-15 10:47
Invent something new and safe! Where I can sign up for that?
 
 
+1 # Neil B 2011-03-19 14:50
No need to invent, just build what we know works. If there is a problem with the 'reactor core' in a geothermal plant, we have bigger issues.
 
 
+11 # Alturn 2011-03-15 09:39
We have not been listening to the voices that can measure the impact of nuclear radiation - the Masters of Wisdom within this planet's Spiritual Hierarchy. For decades they have stated that all nuclear fission reactors should be shut down.

"The worst pollution poisoning everything in the waters, the air, the rivers, seas is nuclear radiation which we cannot even see or measure. We build nuclear reactors around the world but our scientists cannot see the effects of their ignorant actions. The instruments which they have to check and measure the radiation are crude and cannot register the higher radiation. They recognize only the dense-physical plane but there are seven levels of matter. Above the dense-physical plane there are four planes which are etheric, but which are still matter. Our scientists cannot measure beyond some levels of the dense physical plane, so crude are their instruments, while the worst effects of radiation are on the four highest planes. The growing incidence of Alzheimer's disease at a younger and younger age is a direct result of this pollution. We have much to learn. A new humility is very much in order."
- Share International July 2006
 
 
+12 # dottiegood 2011-03-15 09:48
Keith, I didn't like nuclear plants from the start. Never trusted the storage for the waste they made. The disaster in Japan proves they are not the energy source for our future, if we want a future. I lived thru' kerosene lamps and wood cook stoves, surely we can innovate alternate new energy sources that are better. I still have a couple of the old flat irons.............
 
 
-92 # Tom M 2011-03-15 09:56
Olberman needs to move into a cave so he wont be offended by the risk of modern life.
 
 
+16 # Sukumar 2011-03-15 18:32
why! Are you lonely?
 
 
0 # Pikewich 2011-03-19 21:29
Tom, please pull your head back out of that dark smelly place.
 
 
+30 # Tadria14 2011-03-15 09:58
Hmmm, It seems that teachers are now under fire for doing a poor job and creating so many stupid people. Once again the wingnuts can't look in the mirror and see that you can't cure stupid. No amount of school taught education can overwhelm the insanity perpetrated by the likes of FOX News. If the school teaches us that the sky is blue, FOX will no doubt insist it is red, and that scientists and "smart" people are ruining this country.

Unfortunately a lot of actual smart people still answer to the almighty dollar....
 
 
+18 # johnnyb in KC 2011-03-15 09:58
If and when the New Madrid has the next big one, they say here in Kansas City it will cause major damage. One of the reasons I opposed the building of the "Wolf Creek" nuclear power plant around eighty miles south of here in the early eighty's. I remember a while back hearing someone say about nuclear energy " You don't need a chainsaw to cut butter". First things first, spend what money you can on conserving and lowering the energy you use in your house then the car.
 
 
+14 # m 2011-03-15 10:08
IF this is somehow contained... Then just wait and watch...

The Extremely Narrowly Owned Global Corporate Media/Press is what sways, moves, manipulates and drives far too much of this Nation's mindset in deliberate fashion. So, 'IF' the incredibly smart and disciplined Japanese somehow manage to contain this Nuclear Disaster with minimal Radioactive Release, corporate want will rule the day and this very disaster--- caused literally by all hell breaking loose upon very old Nuclear Reactors with 1960's Stone Age Technology--- will become the very selling point the nuclear industry will try to use for 'selling' the future safety of new Nuke Plants with modern, state of the art safety systems in place.
It will be sold as ---- Look..! This ''antique'' 1960's Nuke Plants and those responsible for public safety, were able to stand up to the most extreme environmental disaster ever witnessed and keep everyone safe. Imagine how 'safe' new reactors will be...'

Corporations rule the world and this country... Not We The People...
 
 
+11 # bruapp 2011-03-15 10:12
I live in the New Madrid area. Yes, Keith, the Mississippi did flow backwards in the earthquake that hit here in 1811-1812. When a disaster like the recent one in Japan hits, I am once again reminded of how fragile our human existence is in the world we don't control, the world of nature. The earthquake insurance I have on my house seems so piddling when I see what could happen.
 
 
+9 # michaelsd98 2011-03-15 10:14
Keith,
I miss Count Down but found you here. In my opinion, the right-wing are people that need a "Master" to tell them how to think and how to behave. It is no surprise that they turned away from humanity and turned to the Corporate Elitists to tell them how to think and behave. The Corporate Elitists know that they can control a certain percentage of people through fear and heavy handedness. The right-wing traded the Old Testament’s "God" for "Corporate God". They have been conditioned.
 
 
+7 # GSRB 2011-03-15 10:15
A full 1/3 of this country is illiterate or semi-illiterate.
I guess 2 people in that 1/3rd responded to Keith in the snarky tweets he mentions...
Idiots.
 
 
+13 # aikidokurt 2011-03-15 10:15
"Let's take the most poisonous substance in the world, distribute it across the country, with no plan of how to store it or dispose of it; and let's put it in buildings on faults and along coastlines throughout the world. And let's build them to withstand only the typical weather and disaters we've encountered in the past. Then, let's tell everyone its for their benefit and make them pay for the cost of building and maintaining the most toxic substance on Earth, but let's make sure it never turns a profit for those peolple."
Dr. Evil to his evil cohorts?
no; actually the nuclear industry
 
 
-19 # Jagan N Sharma 2011-03-15 10:18
Mr. Olbermann
I am you fan,however I remember when you dessimated Ms. Hillary(I SUPPORTED HER IN THE PRIMARIES), some of knew that he is a gutless wonder,like so many of our DEMOCRATS,we are indeed unfortunate to have him as our President,may be better tnan that war criminal
 
 
+6 # michaelsd98 2011-03-15 10:19
Halliburton, Halliburton, how did we exist before your creation?
 
 
+9 # Jill 2011-03-15 10:22
Wow, finally something I can follow without having to hear it read by Mr. Science aka K. Olbermann. We really miss your voicing of your commentary tho since MSNBC pulled up the anchor. They continue to float adrift in the night. Too late moving R.M. up. When will you be back on tv?
 
 
+3 # George D 2011-03-15 21:00
I haven't tuned in to MSNBC since Keith left. TBH, I like Rachael but it was Keith that brought me to the party. I used to DVR Countdown, RM, and Lawrence. Now I don't even bother to do that.

What MSNBC didn't understand is what FOX actually DOES understand; These shows need to inform and ENTERTAIN. (Well, FOX "entertains" their audience anyway :-)
Keith was over the top sometimes and I didn't always agree with him; And the Thurber thing? I was gone before every segment each week. Sorry Keith. But he was ENTERTAINING and brought that degree of intelligent indignation that we all feel to the screen each night.

Information? I get that on the Internet now. I'll be watching Keith on Clear Channel I guess; Right after "Kill It, Cook It, Eat It".... NOT!
LOL


Quoting
Wow, finally something I can follow without having to hear it read by Mr. Science aka K. Olbermann. We really miss your voicing of your commentary tho since MSNBC pulled up the anchor. They continue to float adrift in the night. Too late moving R.M. up. When will you be back on tv?
 
 
-22 # Rimrock42 2011-03-15 10:22
Sir, I happen to disagree with you on this one. While major investment needs to be made in green energy sources and conservation, for the immediate future the biggest threat is climate change caused by fossil fuels, and the ONLY current large and consistent energy source which minimizes pollution is nuclear. While there are certainly places where it is unsafe to build any nuclear facility, there are places where one would be relatively safe, if properly constructed and supervised (I know, that's a big "if"). What aren't helpful are those who follow Limbaugh, and those who follow you, hurling ephithets like "Dumbacrats" and "Conservajerks." That caliber of person doesn't add anything to an intelligent discussion of an issue.
 
 
+11 # George D 2011-03-15 17:53
Let me start by agreeing with your point about name calling. As for the nukes; As a young man, a "technologist" and person that loves science, I thought nuclear power was the answer. Then I began to learn more about the waste, it's half life and storage problems and I became skeptical. When Three Mile Island occurred I began to really think we had a hold of an energy that we hadn't thought out well enough.
Now granted, accidents like these are many years (decades) apart, but how much nuclear waste can we afford to have polluting the earth's atmosphere after even one major catastrophe? Japan may indeed be that catastrophe.
Just as the space program took a significant government investment, so will alternative energy. We need to treat all potential sources of clean, safe energy as a mandate that has a life and death urgency.
Just as with the space program, the jobs and benefits that are likely to be spun off from that investment would make it a worthwhile goal.
One last point. You say that nuclear is the best "large and consistent" energy source and I don't disagree; But maybe the answer is a different paradigm. Home, energy plants anyone? Lots of work being done in that area.
 
 
0 # Pikewich 2011-03-19 22:40
I am not too sure about nuclear energy can be said to minimize pollution. It is hard to pin down the costs but it appears the mining of uranium ore is fossil fuel intensive, and the mining process is done in areas where pollution isn't much of an issue lading to ground water pollution.

It also appears the concentration, enrichment and fabrication process is very energy intensive. Energy intensive must have some source of energy which is most likely not pollution free.

Then there is the problem of how to dispose of the waste. This has the potential to be potentially disastrously polluting.

The reactor plants themselves require high capital costs, and the construction process is very fossil fuel intensive. As for a safe place to build one there are no places on earth that are not prone to some kind of natural disasters, earthquakes or floods or tornadoes.

So I ask you this, would you be comfortable living next one? Would you be comfortable living next to solar panels or windmills?
 
 
+7 # Palli 2011-03-15 10:32
There are many appropriate comments here particularly in criticism of FUX 'News'. They have proven all too well that the big lie is alive and well in Amerika. Nuclear energy is dangerous, we all know that, but making the energy grid more diffuse with all the technologies at hand will make us all safer. One third of the energy we make gets used at all, because our grid is so inefficient. Put another way 2/3 of all the coal, all the diesel, all the gas and biomass or whatever is simply wasted. What kind of economy is that?
 
 
-10 # mike b 2011-03-15 10:45
Nuclear energy has harmed less people than coal and/or oil in the last 50 years. I am not a huge fan of nuclear, but tell me what alternative do we have? We are decades (if not generations) away from the massive investments needed for solar or wind farms that could even make a dent in our energy use.
 
 
+7 # aikidokurt 2011-03-15 16:01
"Nuclear energy has harmed less people than coal and/or oil in the last 50 years"
I'm curious; did those 200,000 people near chernobyl die from coal soot? And just how much nuclear power was being generated 50 years ago? I don't think the navy had a workable sub atomic until the mid 1950's. Can you compare these 100 kW engines and the fatalities they produced (and yes, there were fatalities) to a world economy based on fossil fuels; and say, "see, its safe."?
I think you'll see with the latest nuc fatalities incurred this year, in terms of "harmed" nuclear has caught up quick and is easily holding its own in its ability to kill and maim vs coal.
 
 
+10 # George D 2011-03-15 18:00
Chernobyl is a problem to this day. That region is not habitable and the citizens that were there are dead or dying of radiation poisoning.
Out of sight, out of mind is the mantra in America. Oil from Valdez still seeps just below the sand up there. "At least it isn't on our beach". Radiation, oil pollution, we can have it all; "Drill here, drill now! Nuttin' wrong with nukes..." as long as we don't get that one major earthquate, or a missle attack, or ????

I wonder why people on the right are so quick to fear some "imagined" events and people and not others? One would think that what's happening in Japan would be a wake-up call on the same magnitude that 9/11 was. Oh yeah; It's over there; Not here.
 
 
0 # Pikewich 2011-03-19 22:43
More than 20,00 died as a result of Chenobyl when you count in the death by cancer that continues to this day. I heard 185,000.
 
 
+3 # George D 2011-03-15 20:27
There are power generators that run on hydrogen and others that run on natural gas, being used to run factories already. I think it was 60 Minutes that did a special on them a while back. If enough people get on the problem, the bugs will get ironed out and the cost brought down.
I can't help but wonder if some folks never want to see individuals in control of certain necessities of life for themselves.
"Who Killed the Electric Car?" Great documentary. Maybe no need for gas, and single home power units threaten the control of those industries too much.

Quoting
Nuclear energy has harmed less people than coal and/or oil in the last 50 years. I am not a huge fan of nuclear, but tell me what alternative do we have? We are decades (if not generations) away from the massive investments needed for solar or wind farms that could even make a dent in our energy use.
 
 
-9 # mike b 2011-03-15 10:49
you are very correct
 
 
+2 # aikidokurt 2011-03-15 16:15
Quoting
you are very correct

hey mike b, you forgot to change your handle when you agreed with yourself...its called kruger-dunning syndrome...look it up mr. narcissus (we know your great and all, but come on;-)!).
 
 
-16 # Joeconserve 2011-03-15 11:00
Hey, are all you commentors sitting in a circle at a Starbucks with a latte and a laptop betting that each can interject their own personal bias on top of the earthquake data from Japan better than anyone else? There's nothing intellegent being offered so it must be a game. Who's winning?
 
 
0 # haros1000 2011-03-15 12:29
Charlie Sheen
 
 
-7 # P. L. 2011-03-15 11:09
Keith, maybe you should sit down with Rachel Maddow and get a little more information on nuclear energy, on exactly what happened, and what is still possible to happen. We need to exchange facts not emotions on this important subject.
 
 
+9 # cattivo 2011-03-15 11:10
Edward Teller, the original Dr. Strangelove and inventor of the H Bomb, was a staunch proponent of nuclear energy. And even he thought that the only reasonably safe place to build reactors was deep underground, preferrably in abandoned salt mines and copper mines. Realistically, there's 0% chance of the gov't mandating such safeguards, and the thought of industry voluntarily incurring the additional expense of building underground is laughable. Ergo, nuclear power, even by Dr. Strangelove's standard, isn't safe. On a positive note, the only stocks doing well in the market today are in solar.
 
 
+6 # haros1000 2011-03-15 11:18
Aren't the natural disasters enough? Isn't the radiation danger from Van Allen belts enough? Do we need another Krakatoa?
 
 
-5 # johnbartolero 2011-03-15 11:28
sorry you left your previous net work. put might ibc advanced alloys corp(iaalf) thier testing bars that are more stable and will not explode. will work in present plants. if this doesn't work ,forget it
 
 
+11 # Gary in Midwest 2011-03-15 11:29
The flow of money into Washington is the greatest flow of money the world has ever witnessed. It attracts the vultures and pigs of society who feed on it like mosquitoes on an open vein. The mosquitoes look for any way to "get some" whether it be wars, bailouts or nuclear energy and the biggest mosquitoes are the so-called conservatives. They're clever little devils, too, and find ways to spin what they want as "patriotic" or necessary for the "survival of the country" so I suppose nuclear energy will be the next big feast if we're dumb enough to let them sell it.
 
 
+8 # vicnada 2011-03-15 11:34
In 1918, Rudolf Steiner, an Austrian scientist and philosopher, anticipated the tragedies we are now living through. Although nuclear energy hadn't been discovered, he pictured it. Although valium hadn't been invented, he described it. Although pornography hadn't become a profitable worldwide "game", he anticipated it's cause. His lecture on the topic can be found here: http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/WrkAng_index.html. With patience for unfamiliar ideas, much can be gained by reading it.
 
 
+1 # timsprague 2011-03-17 08:18
Quoting
In 1918, Rudolf Steiner, an Austrian scientist and philosopher, anticipated the tragedies we are now living through. Although nuclear energy hadn't been discovered, he pictured it. Although valium hadn't been invented, he described it. Although pornography hadn't become a profitable worldwide "game", he anticipated it's cause. His lecture on the topic can be found here: http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/WrkAng_index.html. With patience for unfamiliar ideas, much can be gained by reading it.



It is the question: What are the Angels — the spiritual Beings nearest to men — doing in the human astral body in the present cycle of evolution?

Yeah, thanks for the link. If I ever get around to that important question, I'll remember you.
 
 
+11 # Consuelo 2011-03-15 11:44
hey we don't have nuclear power in NM but we have a get deal of waste and we have fault lines here, too. if you really want nuclear power put in your own state and keep your own waste.
 
 
+10 # elizabeth weatherfor 2011-03-15 11:57
Thanks Keith for the mention of the New Madrid earthquake. Bells ringing in DC, river running backwards, huge mobs of squirrels like lemmings running to the river.... But there WERE people living there; Lake Reelfoot is the site of the home of the Reelfoot tribe, all of whom perished.
 
 
+9 # granny 2011-03-15 12:02
Flyover country has lots of sun and wind. There could be abundant energy harvested from those two if the billions spent on nuclear installations could be re-allocated. But, one wonders, how many billions do the Koch Brothers expect to reap from oil, coal and nuclear? And of course, T. Boone Pickens wants us to keep relying on natural gas - he's got lots riding on that.
 
 
+15 # gleverette 2011-03-15 12:25
"we could have saved the planet, but we were too damn cheap"--kurt vonnegut
 
 
+9 # elkaybo 2011-03-15 12:33
My family and I live on the other side of the same hill where Diablo Canyon NPP is located. It was built ON a fault, and in a position to be affected greatly by a "Big On" on nearby San Andreas fault. So I don't much appreciate the response from the guy who said the coasts (that'd be me and mine) don't matter so long as the flyover continent is still good. And, according to anti-nuke energy activist Wasserman, the whole country would be devastated one way or another if Diablo Canyon and San Onofre blow out here on the west coast.
 
 
+10 # Habib Khan 2011-03-15 12:49
The only difference between a human and an animal is the brain. We humans were given the brain to look after ourselves, build societies, bring serenity and love in our lives and make the earth an even better living place than what nature provided us. What we have gone and done with our science and technology that now we are capable of not only destroying this beautiful earth but may be the whole solar system. We have polluted the environment to the extent that even the nature has given up on us. Earthquakes and Hurricanes and other natural disasters have become an everyday affair.
For the war machine to survive we have created unnecessary wars and human life has lost its meaning. If we do not learn the lesson from the Japanese experience when we learn? Leaders are supposed to lead us in the right direction but their direction is towards dirty politics and the bread and butter.
 
 
+10 # Lulie 2011-03-15 12:58
The human race is running headlong toward its own extinction. Keep those nuclear plants and offshore oil rigs coming! Welcome, global warming! Let's get this human mess over with so the earth can heal.
 
 
+9 # carol kurz 2011-03-15 13:00
Keep up the work Keith. Your voice needs to be heard--
one of the few rational ones out there.

Nuclear plants makes no sense. Never did. France has plenty of problems. They dump 100 million gallons of radioactively contaminated liquids into the ocean every year using a pipeline into the English Channel. It's traveled as far as the Arctic contaminating food supply.

From the French reprocessing plant in La Hague, gases like radioactive krypton are released into the air. More radioactive krypton has been released than from all atomic bombs from the 1940's through the 1960's....Another radio active gas from their reprocessing plant is carbon 14 with a radioactive half life of 5,000 years. Nuclear plants are not carbon free--the nuclear fuel chain releases carbon and it happens to be radioactive.

Plus, the French reprocess high levels of radio active waste.
They extract plutonium to reuse as reactor fuel. They are sitting on a mountain of separated plutonium in France which is weapons useable, and has to be guarded 24/7.

Which address the question of why we do not want Iran to have nuclear power plants.
 
 
+16 # Chas32814 2011-03-15 13:03
What is the attraction regarding living on a poisoned planet while owning lots of money?
 
 
+12 # Susan W 2011-03-15 13:11
I have a lot of trouble trusting any country to handle a nuclear disaster of any scope when I look back on the response to Katrina. That was a hurricane predicted for days, not an unknown accident, and still the town has not recovered. Response to an emergency? Give me a break!
 
 
+6 # Chas32814 2011-03-15 13:19
Am I alone in not sharing a sense of relief when the wind is blowing to the east at the stricken plant. Slightly better for people close by, not so good if you are a fish in the Pacific Ocean - or someone who eats fish as for people in proximity to the plant who should "stay inside". Until when?
 
 
-4 # Terry 2011-03-15 13:21
I have been an admirer of Keith's for years, but I do not want to rule out nuclear power yet. Many people forget that the plants in Japan did survive a 9.0 earthquake and the aftershocks. It was the tsunami that wiped out the diesel generators that would have kept the rods cooled. Perhaps they could have elevated the diesel generators and stabilized them so they would not have been destroyed, but the engineers did anticipate a "worse (not the worst) case scenario" and built the containment and the secondary containment structures to contain a core meltdown. There will be no nuclear explosion, no mushroom cloud, like many would have us believe or fear. The Japanese plants were far better constructed than was Chernobyl. There are two main issues with nuclear plants -how to deal with the waste and how to ensure they are safe. In both cases, if the support given by the US government to the oil and gas industry was used for research in the nuclear industry we could be far closer to overcoming both challenges. For those of you who do not have a closed mind on the subject you may wish to (critically) read this article:

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/
 
 
+7 # George D 2011-03-15 20:42
My uncle worked for G.E. as a nuclear power plant designer/engineer. He's in his eighties. I would like to believe that we have done a great job of ensuring nuclear plant safety and safe disposal of spent fuel. Then I see a story about the fuel capsules, being dumped in the ocean and, after decades of corrosion, are at risk of being torn open. There was also a little known effort in the sixties called "Project Plowshare" where "the experts" had determined it would be safe to use a nuclear blast to level a mountain and build a freeway. It never happened; Not because they had thought about nuclear contamination and poisoning the environment, but because it might have broken windows in a nearby town. In later years they determined the town would have been obliterated.

The point is, everything we do carries some degree of risk. Some things are not worth the potential risk. And when you're talking about forces and toxins of this scale, mistakes can cost us much more than a few months of clean-up effort.
 
 
-6 # Tucker 2011-03-15 23:24
Thank you for posting a sane, rational and scientifically minded response to the issue at hand. It is a welcome and needed deviation from the knee-jerk, uninformed, eco-maniacal, conditioned responses all too common amongst americans these days. It's sad that so many supposedly "progressive" minded people have been so
misled about a technology that could do so
much to free the worlds population from
the evils of war and corporate hegemony
that they themselves so readily decry. Do some research folks. Japans reactors are far from cutting edge technology. There are much safer reactors in use in the world right now! Furthermore, without some of the insane legislation in place to prevent reprocessing under the guise of preventing proliferation of materials for weapons
use (read: iran invasion/big lie) we could safely reprocess spent fuel for many useful applications leaving zero waste! Don't let the globalist, megalomaniacs fool you folks.
They hate nuclear because they love
resource war, anti-sovereignty politics.
 
 
+6 # Judy M 2011-03-15 13:39
If anyone doubts that the Mississippi River flowed backwards during the 1811-1812 earthquakes along the New Madrid fault, please check out Reelfoot Lake near Tiptonville, TN---it was created when the Mississippi flowed backwards.
 
 
+8 # Brenda 2011-03-15 13:45
The rich just don't get it. The more they screw the lesser classes, the more they become the despised. This will go on until all of a sudden there's a great upheavel from the masses, and the rich always become the target. This has happened on and on in history all over the world. Just like the rich might think that green living and anti-pollution EPA laws are full of crap, it will be them as well as the rest who will inherit a caustic, barron, and life threatening planet where no one can live for any length of time. Neuke power plants are indeed subject to earth's upheavels, and there's no amount of money that can prevent their destruction and subsequent radiation release. The might work well in a submarine or on a ship, but then again, those vessels are at sea when their in the neuclear power mode. But as Sonny and Cher once sang, "The beat goes on, la de da de da, the beat goes on".
 
 
-1 # HOSEA W MCADOO JR 2011-03-15 13:57
With the destruction of the Gulf by oil, with global climate change a harbinger of the destruction of higher life, with the turbulence in the Middle east, with this nuclear accident, we will be very, very sorry we haven't pursued nuclear fusion power with the zeal we did the Manhattan project.
 
 
+11 # Kayjay 2011-03-15 14:03
If our planet's inhabitants cannot find ways to co-exist and work together to solve problems like these, it's gonna get bad. I guess we will have to gas up those yet to be built space mass transit vehicles and search for a new place to live.
 
 
+9 # Gordon K 2011-03-15 14:10
The free market pro-nukes crowd always manages to forget the Price-Anderson Act. That's the federal liability cap on the payout for a nuclear accident that makes commercial nuclear power marginally competitive. Without it, the extreme cost of liability insurance would make commercial nuclear power prohibitively expensive. So.....without the de-facto federal subsidy, there would be NO commercial power industry in the USA. Zip Nada. Now the new thorium powered "green nukes" are supposed to be air cooled, and reportedly not subject to meltdown. They are also supposed to be able to extract energy from the leftover waste from the old-style nukes like the ones in Japan. The green nukes might be worth considering, but they don't appear to be on President (Business as Usual) Obama's radar.
 
 
-13 # Tucker 2011-03-15 14:18
This is knee jerk sensationalism. Nuclear is still a feasible and important option to have on the table. Trying to create fear based on un-scientific and spurious presumptions is, at this moment, both insensitive and irresponsible. People who advocate ditching nuclear and investing trillions in wind, solar, geo-thermal, etc. don't grasp the limitations of these technologies or the economic implications of massive investment in sub-par technologies such as these. Nuclear, or still higher forms of technology to be developed using nuclear power as a platform may still be an answer, but the so called "renewable" technologies currently on the table can't possibly get us off the globalization fix. Thats gonna' require real power, not power that might be acceptable for supplementary use in a few regions in the country. If you're serious about getting off globalization you must accept this truth and move forward from there.
 
 
+2 # Sukumar 2011-03-15 18:42
"sub-par technologies" - sounds like nuclear to me!
 
 
+4 # George D 2011-03-15 20:49
Your opinion is not necessarily "real truth". The other opinions about nuclear energy do not really require much more in terms of facts than the reality that events like Chernobyl, TMI and Japan have already generated.

A handful of guys from Saudi Arabia pull off a masterful blindside of America on 9/11 and Neo-cons and their followers see threats of it happening again in the eyes of every Muslim that crosses their path. But these devastating ACTUAL EVENTS are brushed aside and ignored when it comes to the threat of a nuclear accident? What do I miss in your logic?
 
 
+4 # seymour Shapiro 2011-03-15 14:41
check out:
Monday 14 March 2011
Greg Palast | The No BS Info on Japan's Disastrous Nuclear Operators
 
 
-12 # coffinsurfer 2011-03-15 15:22
Sorry Olbermann, you are totally incorrect about the New Madrid fault being the largest earthquake in US history, here is the list from the USGS records:
1. Prince William Sound, Alaska 9.2
2. Cascadia subduction zone 9.0
3. Rat Islands, Alaska 8.7
4. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 8.6
5. East of Shumagin Islands, Alaska 8.2
6. Unimak Islands, Alaska 8.1
7. Yakutat Bay, Alaska 8.0
8. Denali Fault, Alaska 7.9
9. Gulf of Alaska, Alaska 7.9
10. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 7.9
11. Near Cape Yakataga, Alaska 7.9
12. Ka'u District, Island of Hawaii 7.9
13. Fort Tejon, California 7.9
14. Rat Islands, Alaska 7.8
15. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 7.8
16. San Francisco, California 7.8
17. Imperial Valley, California 7.8
18. New Madrid, Missouri 7.7
19. New Madrid, Missouri 7.7
20. New Madrid, Missouri 7.5

Even the USGS records http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/10_largest_us.php clearly say that the New Madrid is not even in the top 4 most powerful earthquakes in US History. So maybe the next time yo want to say something, you really shold know what your talking about instead of making yourself look as stupid as you are.
 
 
+13 # Larry Spencer 2011-03-15 19:31
Maybe he was wrong about the quake being the strongest, as you can see from your list, it was the fourth strongest to hit the continental United States. You should also remember that when the New Madrid quake took place in the 19th century neither Alaska or Hawaii were states (1959 is when they became states). I don't think he's as stupid as you make him to be. The point was, just because you live in middle America, doesn't make you free of the possible damage from earthquakes.
 
 
+8 # Lila 2011-03-15 20:59
Keith said "strongest series of quakes" meaning, of course, in one place. One must read more carefully, coffinsurfer.
 
 
+6 # lkach 2011-03-16 05:09
The New Madrid quake he discusses were before they had a Richter scale, as he says.
 
 
+7 # lkach 2011-03-16 05:16
You did not read the material you copy. The chart has the following note: " some sources list the magnitude of the February 7, 1812 New Madrid quake as high as 8.8."

" making yourself look as stupid as you are"
 
 
+4 # Gary Ray Pierson 2011-03-16 08:39
1. Prince William Sound, Alaska 9.2
2. Cascadia subduction zone 9.0
3. Rat Islands, Alaska 8.7
4. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 8.6
5. East of Shumagin Islands, Alaska 8.2
6. Unimak Islands, Alaska 8.1
7. Yakutat Bay, Alaska 8.0
8. Denali Fault, Alaska 7.9
9. Gulf of Alaska, Alaska 7.9
10. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 7.9
11. Near Cape Yakataga, Alaska 7.9
12. Ka'u District, Island of Hawaii 7.9
13. Fort Tejon, California 7.9
14. Rat Islands, Alaska 7.8
15. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 7.8
16. San Francisco, California 7.8
17. Imperial Valley, California 7.8
18. New Madrid, Missouri 7.7
19. New Madrid, Missouri 7.7
20. New Madrid, Missouri 7.5
Read below to really know. This is good,just a bit off.. And the quakes have stopped here in Arkansas since they stopped Fracking. Cpl. Pierson 101st, Vietnam practice what you preach.
Even the USGS records
 
 
+6 # mike herrick 2011-03-16 08:53
who gives a turd it was a big one anyway. atleast keith is taking the time to comment. just imagine becks 2 cents. it would be blamed on the dems in wisc.
 
 
+3 # jose 2011-03-16 20:54
COFFINSURFER.....you'r wrong
Keith is right! We know he means Continental US!

Alaska thought an USA territory, is sooooooooooo faraway that sarah palin & maybe you see Russia from her window???
 
 
+3 # jose 2011-03-16 20:58
Olberman is correct!

He knows geography...and he means continental USA.

Alaska & Sarah Palin are so close to Russia..she sees Siberia from her window!
 
 
0 # C.Cox 2011-03-30 08:58
sorry DA but Olbermann is correct. He didn't say it was the strongest he said it was the largest affecting 9 states and It shook for years. If it happend today it could kill millions.
 
 
+3 # A. Benway 2011-03-15 16:06
Electrical power and political power are very close to identical. That's why distributed power, ie democracy, is anathema to the plutocratic fascist gang
 
 
+4 # Tracy Reilly 2011-03-15 16:11
I have mixed feelings about nuclear power:I just erased all the thoughts I've had because you all know.

BTW, I experienced a New Madrid earthquake when I was about 8 or 9. I lived across the Miss R. from St. Louis. I'm 51 now so that must have been 1967/8? If memory serves, it registered somewhere between a 4 and 5 where I was, which is maybe 150 miles from New Madrid. In my travels,few seem to know about this faultline, but if you look at the terrain around my hometown (nickname "Little San Fran") an observant person would notice it probably wasn't the only one. Not to mention the bluffs all along the Mississippi.
 
 
+2 # Tracy Reilly 2011-03-15 16:24
I experienced a New Madrid Earthquake: I was about 8 or 9: I'm 51 now, so that must've been 1967/8? I lived across the river from St. Louis, about 150 miles maybe from New Madrid. If memory serves the quake registered between 4 and 5 where we were. However, any observant person looking around my hometown would see it wasn't the first ( our nickname was "little San Francisco".) Yet very few people I know have heard of this faultline.
 
 
+2 # Gnomic 2011-03-15 17:17
Nuclear isn't the problem the problem is the design and the fuel. Uranium requires complex systems that can fail. LFTR reactors use thorium, are less complex, less costly. They don't require active cooling if power fails and cooling stops, the system shuts down automatically without any human intervention or computerized intervention.
 
 
+3 # annadams95340 2011-03-15 18:19
I read some column or another about the flyover states and my first thought was "what about the New Madrid?".

I lived in Jonesboro (northeast AR near the MO line and about 70 miles from Memphis) during the 70's and experienced one earthquake (relatively minor) and one tornado (major). I'd heard the stories about the Mississippi running backward.

I was the only person in my office who realized it was an earthquake. Some had never heard of the New Madrid fault they were sitting on.

I remember saying to my friends that I was headed back to CA where we needed to worry about only one of the two. I was wrong - we have tornadoes from time to time but nothing like the midwest.
 
 
+5 # Larry Spencer 2011-03-15 19:27
Keith,

In all the rhetoric about nuclear power, no one mentions that in digging the uranium out of the ground and processing it into rods takes huge amounts of energy and produces vast quantities of CO2. Plus, boiling water with nuclear fission heat is a terribly inefficient way of producing electric power. Just using less energy will save us a lot of energy.
 
 
+9 # billy bob 2011-03-15 20:23
I think it's interesting that President Obama finally caves in to repug demands for more offshore drilling immediately before the worst oil spill in US history.

Next, he gives a speach stating that nuclear is part of America's future with "clean" energy, about 30 seconds before all of this happened in Japan.

Is it just me? Or does GOD also think Obama should quit acting like a repugnican, and want to punish him for doing it?

Pardon my naiveté, but imagine if he'd have acted like he was on our side all along. THEN and ONLY THEN, he could have said, "I told you so". Instead, by acting like one of the very people who gets us in these messes in the first place, he bears just as much of the blame.

I guess what he meant by "change" was that he was going to change his mind about every thing he campaigned for, once elected.
 
 
-8 # bo gritz 2011-03-16 03:02
change? from what? the miserable turd is an inveterate liar and has always been an INVETERATE F'ING LIAR HIS WHOLE CIA LIFE!!!
 
 
-9 # Ppossom 2011-03-16 05:49
President Obama is right, and Olbermann is wrong. Nuclear power will never be safe, but nuclear emissions are less than coal, and "pebble bed" reactors do not melt down or blow up. GOP has proposed to cut funding for all forms of alternative energy, and Olbermann has joined the tea party in this.
Link: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste
 
 
+5 # Ken Hall 2011-03-16 06:30
Bottom line, to me, is that nuclear generating plants are designed by humans, sited by humans, built by humans, run by humans. As the saying goes,"To err is human." As this series of incidents demonstrates, it is impossible to foresee all the possibilities that may occur, and catastrophic failures will result in contamination that will last virtually forever. The risk is too great, this is what environmentalis ts have been trying to say since the 60's. A few more people are listening now.
 
 
+3 # genierae 2011-03-16 08:44
We are headed for a great shift that most of us are not prepared for. There will be much turmoil, with great suffering, and we must work to strengthen our positions and prepare for what is to come. The more open our minds and hearts are, the easier our transition will be. We must stop our bickering and join together as one family if we want to survive. If we hold fast to truth and make it our greatest friend, it will lead us into the new world that is on the horizon. Let us join hands and walk forward into a world where fear is a distant memory, and love is our abiding light.

The Shift Network stephen@theshif tnetwork.com
 
 
+5 # Linda in VT 2011-03-16 13:38
Here in Vermont we have an aged Mark 1 reactor that is due for decommissioning in 2012. But of course Entergy Vermont Yankee (hq in LA) wants to run it another 20 years, and the Nuclear Fan Club (aka NRC) says "sure! Why ever not?) Happily, VT is unique in having given it's legislature a veto on such requests. Noises have been made about suing to overturn Vermont's law, but if that should happen, I think we'll just dig up the roads leading to the plant or some other creative move. We're not expecting an earthquake that would cause Connecticut River to run backward, but a flood that would wipe out various systems at the plant is anything but unlikely. That's over and above all the pieces that have fallen off the thng in the last two years, and the leaks of tritium etc. etc. Into the groundwater.
 
 
+5 # mawley 2011-03-16 19:03
Are we not hearing as Mother Nature is shouting, pleading and begging us to stop digging holes in the ocean and building nuclear plants? The answer, my friends, is blowing in the wind.
 
 
+5 # Chris Dokkebakken 2011-03-17 05:09
Live within 3 miles of the nuclear plant in Monticello, MN (along the Mississippi). This "20-year" plant is closing in on 40 years. Shut it down PLEASE!
 
 
+3 # Pat Tibbs 2011-03-17 12:59
Keith, I think there's a typo in this piece. You mentioned the NRA which is the National Rifle Association. I suspect you meant the NRC: Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

Thanks for posting this. It's just appalling that Jaczko is so blase about this.
 
 
0 # Laurie Black 2011-03-17 14:25
And then there's the Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory which is located in Idaho just a few miles from The Craters of the Moon National Park, the site of geologically recent volcanic activity.
 
 
-1 # NCMike 2011-03-18 05:57
For all of the bashing of conservatives in these comments, there is very little offered in the way of alternatives. I am neither pro-nuclear power nor anti- nuclear power, I am all for cheap energy. If we can't have nuclear power, and we can't have natural gas, and we can't have oil, and we can't have coal, then what can we have? We don't have enough land mass in the US to fill to power our nation, we have no way of storing wind turbine power, we don't have enough places to build water turbine plants, biofuels cause food prices to increase dramatically, etc. Not to mention the ecological impacts of each type of so-called "green energy." What happens to wildlife in deserts filled with solar panels? What happens to migratory birds that can no longer fly freely without being slaughtered by 15th century technology (windmills)? What happens to wildlife and waterways that are dominated by huge water plants? The reality is that every form of power that we have comes with negative impacts. There is also the fact that society is not going to give up energy. I am interested in hearing proposals and alternatives that are reasonable and cost-effective.
 
 
0 # True Progressive 2011-03-19 20:57
What happens to wildlife in deserts filled with solar panels?

Where does this idea that solar panels can go only in undeveloped desert areas come from? Every existing building, commercial and residential, in all the sunbelt states is a potential solar panel site. Requiring every building owner in those states to install solar on the building rooftop would both drastically cut this country's need for electricity generated from harmful sources, and would alliviate any ecological harm since the sites of all such installations are already developed.

BTW, it is estimated that a solar array the size of Northern California can satisfy MANKIND'S ENTIRE DAILY ENERGY NEEDS.
 
 
0 # S. OTerra 2011-03-19 16:37
Solar is used all over Europe now -Germany has about cornered the market. Tech came from NASA who decided to make the tech free "since research was paid by taxpayers. - who of course couldn't pay R&D to develope. Many patents were bought by oil companies who sat on them. Wish we had those royalties now?
"When I lived in the mountains (where temps can go to -20) we built a food and heat producing greenhouse on to the house. With only a morning wood fire (tall pines blocked a.m. sun) the house was cozy. We built about 50 as a business. We also built a solar 'envelope' house which sold before completion. The buyers sold it 5 yrs later at a good profit. The wife told us they never needed to use supplemental heat. Later we built a big passive solar house which we lived in for years. Photovoltaic cells and batteries keep improving. I know many many who sell their power to the electric company. They are PAID every month -no bills. The downside is they can't use there own power when there is an outage. So many folks just stay off the grid. There are solar roofing tiles and even paint! In 38 years we never got the state to do a decent solar project. Why? Because I live in Arizona! -land of constantly devolving intelligence.
 

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