Keith Olbermann writes: "Stupid. Maybe President Obama would like to circle that word and rethink it's meaning. It would be stupid to keep pushing nuclear power at the exact hour that the 'safe and effective way' in Japan is proving to be 'that slight increase in radiation in Tokyo is nothing to worry about. But if you're within 20 miles of the plant please stay indoors because we don't know if the thing is going to meltdown, blow up, shoot nuclear rods into the sky or into the ground water, or what. Have a nice day.'"
Keith Olbermann. (photo: orlandoshaped/Photobucket)
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As long as there's no will, there will be no way.
Bailouts for Wall Street, pandering to the Neo-Con hawks, Gitmo, Afghanistan, Healthcare; Has this president done ANYTHING right?
Just being better than the alternative is not good enough for America and not good enough for me. We need an alternative in 2012. Howard Dean anyone?
And, then there's "look, no strings attached" Kucinich. What a strong ticket that would be. As long as we keep poll watchers present, and visibly register every 'notched' vote nationwide (with a ballot number on it that corresponds to the number on the paper ballot), in front of observing voters as those votes are cast, we might just be able to honestly vote into office(s) folks like Dean, Kucinich, etc., and real McCoy servers of we the sheeple, rather than all the Koch suckers who now occupy so many seats in Congress, statehouses, etc. Fight and fight and fight some more we must, in order to send our villainaire rulers and their puppets and enforcers to hell, and created the huge CHANGE so many of long for, the change that will UNDO THE COUP!
What the H-ll are we waiting for? Two great ideas that need promotion. Two seasoned pols with balls that would make a pawn shop blush!
I told people from the beginning that Obama was "the real deal" and now all I can say is he was better than the alternative. Clinton? Ughh! Are these our ONLY choices?
I like the Dean-Kucinich idea. Dean could make it I think.
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Prevented the Great Depression of 20009
Eliminated Don't Ask Don't Tell
Stopped defending DOMA in court.
Howard Dean couldn't get elected.
Other than Banksters, we are still in the Great Recession
Threw a bone to Don't Ask Don't Tell opponents (who forget that Clinton first created this bone)
Defended DOMA in court.
Obama couldn't get elected, till he did.
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Nuclear is so dangerous that no insurance company will cover the liability. Taxpayers fund the construction, while companies make the profit. Our priorities are so skewed.
Consider the case of the Dresden 1 Nuclear Power Plant in Morris, Illinois, which was put into cold storage — what the nuclear industry euphemistically calls " SAFESTOR" — in 1994. That reactor was essentially closed up like an abandoned factory when it reached the end of its useful life. One winter, the heat in the building was turned off, and some pipes froze and burst, releasing 55,000 gallons of radioactive water into the basement.
If a night watchman hadn’t discovered the leak several days later, another pipe would have frozen as well. Had it burst, it would have drained the reactor’s entire fuel pool, releasing very high levels of radiation and causing an incredibly severe accident. And this was at a nuclear plant where two neighboring reactors — Dresden 2 and 3 — were still up and running and had personnel onsite.
Short answer: It doesn't take a 9.0 earthquake, a tsunami of epic proportions or a terrorist attack to create a truly ugly situation. Just ask the folks of Pennsylvania who lived downwind of Three Mile Island.
YES!
About the same level of irony as having the worst nuclear plant accident happen at a place that literally translates into English as 'burned grass'.
You're right on what you said but when you said that "half of it's citizens handicapped and enslaved by FOX propaganda and the Republican/Tea Party "cats" you forgot to mention the Evangelical Christians. Please read "The Family" by Jefff Sharlet. He went undercover at the Family's Arlington, VA compound and did research of the Evangelical Christians and the power this organization has in Washington, DC.
The Republicans, Tea Party and Evangelical Christians' goal is to take control not only of USA but the rest of the World.
The plants in Japan were minimally damaged by the quakes. They are on the edge of meltdowns mainly due to damage done by the quakes to the power grid, followed by the damage done to the backup local power from the tsunami. And lastly by failure of on site batteries to have enough power to shut down the plants smoothly.
The lesson is that whatever we prepare for, something else may break the nuclear power plant. And every time that happens, we will be suprised and every time it will be a catastrophe.
Build windmills, hydro-electric plants, solar panels, invent something new and safe. No More Nukes.
"The worst pollution poisoning everything in the waters, the air, the rivers, seas is nuclear radiation which we cannot even see or measure. We build nuclear reactors around the world but our scientists cannot see the effects of their ignorant actions. The instruments which they have to check and measure the radiation are crude and cannot register the higher radiation. They recognize only the dense-physical plane but there are seven levels of matter. Above the dense-physical plane there are four planes which are etheric, but which are still matter. Our scientists cannot measure beyond some levels of the dense physical plane, so crude are their instruments, while the worst effects of radiation are on the four highest planes. The growing incidence of Alzheimer's disease at a younger and younger age is a direct result of this pollution. We have much to learn. A new humility is very much in order."
- Share International July 2006
Unfortunately a lot of actual smart people still answer to the almighty dollar....
The Extremely Narrowly Owned Global Corporate Media/Press is what sways, moves, manipulates and drives far too much of this Nation's mindset in deliberate fashion. So, 'IF' the incredibly smart and disciplined Japanese somehow manage to contain this Nuclear Disaster with minimal Radioactive Release, corporate want will rule the day and this very disaster--- caused literally by all hell breaking loose upon very old Nuclear Reactors with 1960's Stone Age Technology--- will become the very selling point the nuclear industry will try to use for 'selling' the future safety of new Nuke Plants with modern, state of the art safety systems in place.
It will be sold as ---- Look..! This ''antique'' 1960's Nuke Plants and those responsible for public safety, were able to stand up to the most extreme environmental disaster ever witnessed and keep everyone safe. Imagine how 'safe' new reactors will be...'
Corporations rule the world and this country... Not We The People...
I miss Count Down but found you here. In my opinion, the right-wing are people that need a "Master" to tell them how to think and how to behave. It is no surprise that they turned away from humanity and turned to the Corporate Elitists to tell them how to think and behave. The Corporate Elitists know that they can control a certain percentage of people through fear and heavy handedness. The right-wing traded the Old Testament’s "God" for "Corporate God". They have been conditioned.
I guess 2 people in that 1/3rd responded to Keith in the snarky tweets he mentions...
Idiots.
Dr. Evil to his evil cohorts?
no; actually the nuclear industry
I am you fan,however I remember when you dessimated Ms. Hillary(I SUPPORTED HER IN THE PRIMARIES), some of knew that he is a gutless wonder,like so many of our DEMOCRATS,we are indeed unfortunate to have him as our President,may be better tnan that war criminal
What MSNBC didn't understand is what FOX actually DOES understand; These shows need to inform and ENTERTAIN. (Well, FOX "entertains" their audience anyway :-)
Keith was over the top sometimes and I didn't always agree with him; And the Thurber thing? I was gone before every segment each week. Sorry Keith. But he was ENTERTAINING and brought that degree of intelligent indignation that we all feel to the screen each night.
Information? I get that on the Internet now. I'll be watching Keith on Clear Channel I guess; Right after "Kill It, Cook It, Eat It".... NOT!
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Now granted, accidents like these are many years (decades) apart, but how much nuclear waste can we afford to have polluting the earth's atmosphere after even one major catastrophe? Japan may indeed be that catastrophe.
Just as the space program took a significant government investment, so will alternative energy. We need to treat all potential sources of clean, safe energy as a mandate that has a life and death urgency.
Just as with the space program, the jobs and benefits that are likely to be spun off from that investment would make it a worthwhile goal.
One last point. You say that nuclear is the best "large and consistent" energy source and I don't disagree; But maybe the answer is a different paradigm. Home, energy plants anyone? Lots of work being done in that area.
It also appears the concentration, enrichment and fabrication process is very energy intensive. Energy intensive must have some source of energy which is most likely not pollution free.
Then there is the problem of how to dispose of the waste. This has the potential to be potentially disastrously polluting.
The reactor plants themselves require high capital costs, and the construction process is very fossil fuel intensive. As for a safe place to build one there are no places on earth that are not prone to some kind of natural disasters, earthquakes or floods or tornadoes.
So I ask you this, would you be comfortable living next one? Would you be comfortable living next to solar panels or windmills?
I'm curious; did those 200,000 people near chernobyl die from coal soot? And just how much nuclear power was being generated 50 years ago? I don't think the navy had a workable sub atomic until the mid 1950's. Can you compare these 100 kW engines and the fatalities they produced (and yes, there were fatalities) to a world economy based on fossil fuels; and say, "see, its safe."?
I think you'll see with the latest nuc fatalities incurred this year, in terms of "harmed" nuclear has caught up quick and is easily holding its own in its ability to kill and maim vs coal.
Out of sight, out of mind is the mantra in America. Oil from Valdez still seeps just below the sand up there. "At least it isn't on our beach". Radiation, oil pollution, we can have it all; "Drill here, drill now! Nuttin' wrong with nukes..." as long as we don't get that one major earthquate, or a missle attack, or ????
I wonder why people on the right are so quick to fear some "imagined" events and people and not others? One would think that what's happening in Japan would be a wake-up call on the same magnitude that 9/11 was. Oh yeah; It's over there; Not here.
I can't help but wonder if some folks never want to see individuals in control of certain necessities of life for themselves.
"Who Killed the Electric Car?" Great documentary. Maybe no need for gas, and single home power units threaten the control of those industries too much.
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hey mike b, you forgot to change your handle when you agreed with yourself...its called kruger-dunning syndrome...look it up mr. narcissus (we know your great and all, but come on;-)!).
It is the question: What are the Angels — the spiritual Beings nearest to men — doing in the human astral body in the present cycle of evolution?
Yeah, thanks for the link. If I ever get around to that important question, I'll remember you.
For the war machine to survive we have created unnecessary wars and human life has lost its meaning. If we do not learn the lesson from the Japanese experience when we learn? Leaders are supposed to lead us in the right direction but their direction is towards dirty politics and the bread and butter.
one of the few rational ones out there.
Nuclear plants makes no sense. Never did. France has plenty of problems. They dump 100 million gallons of radioactively contaminated liquids into the ocean every year using a pipeline into the English Channel. It's traveled as far as the Arctic contaminating food supply.
From the French reprocessing plant in La Hague, gases like radioactive krypton are released into the air. More radioactive krypton has been released than from all atomic bombs from the 1940's through the 1960's....Another radio active gas from their reprocessing plant is carbon 14 with a radioactive half life of 5,000 years. Nuclear plants are not carbon free--the nuclear fuel chain releases carbon and it happens to be radioactive.
Plus, the French reprocess high levels of radio active waste.
They extract plutonium to reuse as reactor fuel. They are sitting on a mountain of separated plutonium in France which is weapons useable, and has to be guarded 24/7.
Which address the question of why we do not want Iran to have nuclear power plants.
http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/
The point is, everything we do carries some degree of risk. Some things are not worth the potential risk. And when you're talking about forces and toxins of this scale, mistakes can cost us much more than a few months of clean-up effort.
misled about a technology that could do so
much to free the worlds population from
the evils of war and corporate hegemony
that they themselves so readily decry. Do some research folks. Japans reactors are far from cutting edge technology. There are much safer reactors in use in the world right now! Furthermore, without some of the insane legislation in place to prevent reprocessing under the guise of preventing proliferation of materials for weapons
use (read: iran invasion/big lie) we could safely reprocess spent fuel for many useful applications leaving zero waste! Don't let the globalist, megalomaniacs fool you folks.
They hate nuclear because they love
resource war, anti-sovereignty politics.
A handful of guys from Saudi Arabia pull off a masterful blindside of America on 9/11 and Neo-cons and their followers see threats of it happening again in the eyes of every Muslim that crosses their path. But these devastating ACTUAL EVENTS are brushed aside and ignored when it comes to the threat of a nuclear accident? What do I miss in your logic?
Monday 14 March 2011
Greg Palast | The No BS Info on Japan's Disastrous Nuclear Operators
1. Prince William Sound, Alaska 9.2
2. Cascadia subduction zone 9.0
3. Rat Islands, Alaska 8.7
4. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 8.6
5. East of Shumagin Islands, Alaska 8.2
6. Unimak Islands, Alaska 8.1
7. Yakutat Bay, Alaska 8.0
8. Denali Fault, Alaska 7.9
9. Gulf of Alaska, Alaska 7.9
10. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 7.9
11. Near Cape Yakataga, Alaska 7.9
12. Ka'u District, Island of Hawaii 7.9
13. Fort Tejon, California 7.9
14. Rat Islands, Alaska 7.8
15. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 7.8
16. San Francisco, California 7.8
17. Imperial Valley, California 7.8
18. New Madrid, Missouri 7.7
19. New Madrid, Missouri 7.7
20. New Madrid, Missouri 7.5
Even the USGS records http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/10_largest_us.php clearly say that the New Madrid is not even in the top 4 most powerful earthquakes in US History. So maybe the next time yo want to say something, you really shold know what your talking about instead of making yourself look as stupid as you are.
" making yourself look as stupid as you are"
2. Cascadia subduction zone 9.0
3. Rat Islands, Alaska 8.7
4. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 8.6
5. East of Shumagin Islands, Alaska 8.2
6. Unimak Islands, Alaska 8.1
7. Yakutat Bay, Alaska 8.0
8. Denali Fault, Alaska 7.9
9. Gulf of Alaska, Alaska 7.9
10. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 7.9
11. Near Cape Yakataga, Alaska 7.9
12. Ka'u District, Island of Hawaii 7.9
13. Fort Tejon, California 7.9
14. Rat Islands, Alaska 7.8
15. Andreanof Islands, Alaska 7.8
16. San Francisco, California 7.8
17. Imperial Valley, California 7.8
18. New Madrid, Missouri 7.7
19. New Madrid, Missouri 7.7
20. New Madrid, Missouri 7.5
Read below to really know. This is good,just a bit off.. And the quakes have stopped here in Arkansas since they stopped Fracking. Cpl. Pierson 101st, Vietnam practice what you preach.
Even the USGS records
Keith is right! We know he means Continental US!
Alaska thought an USA territory, is sooooooooooo faraway that sarah palin & maybe you see Russia from her window???
He knows geography...and he means continental USA.
Alaska & Sarah Palin are so close to Russia..she sees Siberia from her window!
BTW, I experienced a New Madrid earthquake when I was about 8 or 9. I lived across the Miss R. from St. Louis. I'm 51 now so that must have been 1967/8? If memory serves, it registered somewhere between a 4 and 5 where I was, which is maybe 150 miles from New Madrid. In my travels,few seem to know about this faultline, but if you look at the terrain around my hometown (nickname "Little San Fran") an observant person would notice it probably wasn't the only one. Not to mention the bluffs all along the Mississippi.
I lived in Jonesboro (northeast AR near the MO line and about 70 miles from Memphis) during the 70's and experienced one earthquake (relatively minor) and one tornado (major). I'd heard the stories about the Mississippi running backward.
I was the only person in my office who realized it was an earthquake. Some had never heard of the New Madrid fault they were sitting on.
I remember saying to my friends that I was headed back to CA where we needed to worry about only one of the two. I was wrong - we have tornadoes from time to time but nothing like the midwest.
In all the rhetoric about nuclear power, no one mentions that in digging the uranium out of the ground and processing it into rods takes huge amounts of energy and produces vast quantities of CO2. Plus, boiling water with nuclear fission heat is a terribly inefficient way of producing electric power. Just using less energy will save us a lot of energy.
Next, he gives a speach stating that nuclear is part of America's future with "clean" energy, about 30 seconds before all of this happened in Japan.
Is it just me? Or does GOD also think Obama should quit acting like a repugnican, and want to punish him for doing it?
Pardon my naiveté, but imagine if he'd have acted like he was on our side all along. THEN and ONLY THEN, he could have said, "I told you so". Instead, by acting like one of the very people who gets us in these messes in the first place, he bears just as much of the blame.
I guess what he meant by "change" was that he was going to change his mind about every thing he campaigned for, once elected.
Link: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste
The Shift Network stephen@theshif tnetwork.com
Thanks for posting this. It's just appalling that Jaczko is so blase about this.
Where does this idea that solar panels can go only in undeveloped desert areas come from? Every existing building, commercial and residential, in all the sunbelt states is a potential solar panel site. Requiring every building owner in those states to install solar on the building rooftop would both drastically cut this country's need for electricity generated from harmful sources, and would alliviate any ecological harm since the sites of all such installations are already developed.
BTW, it is estimated that a solar array the size of Northern California can satisfy MANKIND'S ENTIRE DAILY ENERGY NEEDS.
"When I lived in the mountains (where temps can go to -20) we built a food and heat producing greenhouse on to the house. With only a morning wood fire (tall pines blocked a.m. sun) the house was cozy. We built about 50 as a business. We also built a solar 'envelope' house which sold before completion. The buyers sold it 5 yrs later at a good profit. The wife told us they never needed to use supplemental heat. Later we built a big passive solar house which we lived in for years. Photovoltaic cells and batteries keep improving. I know many many who sell their power to the electric company. They are PAID every month -no bills. The downside is they can't use there own power when there is an outage. So many folks just stay off the grid. There are solar roofing tiles and even paint! In 38 years we never got the state to do a decent solar project. Why? Because I live in Arizona! -land of constantly devolving intelligence.
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