"A senior White House official has admitted that it was their intention to kill him. It wasn't a dead or alive situation, it was to go and kill him.... As we know, President Bush shut down the CIA station that was set up for the express purpose of finding bin Laden. He didn't even care about finding him anymore."
Michael Moore's interview on Piers Morgan Tonight, 05/06/11. (image: Piers Morgan Tonight)
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I must admit that, as I listened to this interview, I had to think of my own answers to Piers Morgan's questions. It forced me to really think about how I would respond.
I was happy when I heard of Bin Laden's death. It wasn't because I felt a deep hatred for him. I probably feel as much actual hatred (or even more) for GWB and Cheney. It was because America needed this. America needed a "win" and a big one in this "war on terrrrrerrr" that the buffoons of the last decade create for us all.
I was finally sorta "proud" of America again. I felt that the right decision was made for the right mission and as dangerous and daring as it was, it succeeded.
While I have no beliefs of any kind, it does give one pause to see astounding success for somthing that seemed so right in the face of so many failures for things that seemed wrong.
What; You think everything you don't hear first hand is a lie?
Sad to go through life with that mindset but I do understand why you might feel that way. A decade of GWB and Cheney and Republican rule in general can make anyone more than a little nuts.
A nation that occaissionally observes the rule of law, is a lawless nation. A nation that only enforces law, on the poor, that only enforces the rules that don't disadvantage the comfortable, is a lawless nation. Pvt. Manning suffers "ENHANCED Imprisonment" with no conviction, no trial and goes beyond the rule of law to punish an un-convicted man.
Yet, destroy evidence, kill, torture, make a policy of extra-judicial killing. These are not crimes that interest MIC (Military Industrial Complex)
When I watch my country revel in the extra-judicial murder, of a human being, it makes me sad, for how readily we turn away from law and civilized values.
Are we at war with Oceana or Eurasia, I should find Winston Smith and ask him if he remembers. (If he and we are allowed to remember.
solidarnosc
You could argue that if it will get him re-elected to do good, then so be it. But what good has he done? He's continued playing the game. He's continued defending the empire at the cost of innocent lives and domestic deterioration. He's a good team player. So, okay, Boy - go ahead and spike the football.
because the lie was hussein had WMDs?
Then bush states that bin laden isn't important and he doesn't think about him?
Quoting
Until now, bin Laden’s name was being used by the US as an excuse to stay in Afghanistan. As the campaign was not going anywhere, an excuse was needed to show victory and to take the ‘victorious’ army out of the region.
Just as bin Laden’s life was necessary to keep going; his death is seen to be necessary to declare a victory and to move on the next goal. The real goal of course is never the topic of discussion, which is to hang around Central Asia and the Caspian Sea region for the upcoming new sources of oil and gas.
Similarly, the US never shared any proof that bin Laden was in fact the mastermind of 9/11 or was it Khalid Shiekh, who went through 150 sessions of waterboarding to own his part in 9/11! Who was behind 9/11 then – we do not know but we certainly know that the story told by the US government is full of holes, just like the pathetic story of bin Laden in Abbottabad.
Yes, this is the oddest part and no one is talking about it. It is more like destroying evidence. The right thing to do would have been to give the body to relatives, return it family. That is what the Geneva Conventions require for enemies killed in war when at all possible. You can also give it to a neutral organization like the Red Crescent or Red Cross. Ditching the body in the ocean was a war crime, in addition to being an action that will raise speculations forever that it was not bin Laden. But let's face it, the US military just does not want any more discussion of bin Laden. A trial would have been unthinkable. What evidence do they have that bin Laden was involved wiht 9-11. Zero. Absolutely nothing other than allegations from politicians who lie for a living. We are turning to a new phase in the "Long War" and we will need new poster boys and new propaganda campaigns. I suspect that the new phase will be the Arab Spring.
The bin Laden most Americans think they know is a creature of our propaganda system. I don't believe he had anything to do with 9-11. All the cheering is just part of the propaganda, cheering for oneself -- USA, USA, USA. The war goes on just as it did before bin Laden's death. Nothing changes -- the US is still murdering people in poor nations who have darker skins. That's what Euro/Americans have done for 500 years. They murder people in order to steal their natural resources. That's what Euro/Americans do and always have done. They are plundering cultures. They loot and terrorize as a way of life.
The best on the settling of America is "Since Predator Came." Euro/Americans are predatory cultures.
And dancing on the grave of anybody is SICK.
Also we forget who made Bin Ladin - who taught him how to terrorize/bomb Kabul market (CIA) and who made him freedom fighter (Reagan).
Bin Ladin (more likely his disciples) attacked USA because USA - Christian Fanatics -(FOREIGN) troops were in Saudi Arabia/Meca. What would Americans do if the shoe was on the other foot?
"he Centennial Institute conservative think tank at Colorado Christian University is hosting a "Tribute to the Troops" Monday, where the featured speakers will be Sarah Palin and General William "Jerry" Boykin. Although both figures in the past have been associated with an aggressive Christian politics known as Dominionism, Boykin is one of the people at the heart of post-9/11 US religious militarism."
Americans who bombed a gay bar in Atlanta
American who murdered people at an abortion clinic in Brookline
Americans who invent a fake history that America was founded as a Christian nation and that their book trumps the constitution
Africans who make homosexuality a crime punishable by death in Uganda
Americans who fund and advise the Ugandans to institute the death penalty for homosexuality
American Mormons who encourage young gay Mormons to commit suicide (see 8: The Mormon Proposition)
- Those are the first thoughts that come to mind.
"The Family." Pour yourself a glass of wine,properly chilled naturally, arrange your deck chair and read. In less time than it takes to update your stock portfolio the answer to your question, "what is a Christian fanatic anyway?" will come, if I may be so bold as to say, as in a "revelation." While you're at it you might consider catching up on some history of Western(Christi an) nations, and their activities. Start in 1492 and work forward.May the currents of truth and wisdom guide your journey.
Oh, and the Christian fanatics comment isn't far off; check out these links on the Jesus scopes and the efforts to crowd out other religions from the military academies:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4772331
Prior to Bush getting into office, as I have said, true terrorist criminals (not put up jobs) were hunted and either killed or captured. No country was attacked on the excuse of there being terrorists camping there. In this case, camping where the U.S. provided monies and munitions.
Consider how many ex-puppets of the U.S. have died or had their countries attacked. Saddam Hussein is a prime example, his sons executed in the same way as bin Laden. They had done nothing to the U.S. Very uncivilized, especially in the light of how many thousands and thousands of folks have died for the "sins" of bin Laden at the hands of the U.S.
Rejoicing in this recent event is, considering all the ongoing death is beyond the dignity of U.S. citizens.
But think about what would happen if he were taken alive. How many Westerners would be kidnapped to be held as exchange? How would he ever be given a fair trial considering how the wingnuts soiled their underwear over some minor terrorist being given a fair trial in NYC?
As you said, Prior to Bush ... true terrorist criminals ... were hunted and either killed or captured." This one was killed.
We were MSD'd on weapons of mass destruction. What if we were MSD'd on Ben Ladin being the culprit? We've been given plenty of notice that the greed and power addicted villainaires will stop at nothing to keep their war, war, war for oil, oil, oil up and running. Only the dumbest of the dumb among us would fall for what could easily be more karlroving. No wonder the rest of the world holds us in such contempt.
As my Irish cousins say: "You Yanks have had a coup d'etat, and you're too naive to recognize it." Now that's a fact.
The solution to the problem would be to hold a series of in absentia trials for different people suspected of international terrorism. This type of trial has a precedent in the US, the murderer who fled to France, Einhorn (sp?), being just one. Then those who are convicted could be sought out and punished in accordance with the verdict of the jury.
If Osama was tried rather than executed, one can only imagine the tales he could have told.
If you want to check out what a really loser political strategy looks like, find the 1900 Democratic Party Platform. Something like half the text is explicitly devoted to opposition to post Spanish-American War imperialism. Imperialist Republican William McKinley, with unapologeticall y arch-imperialist Theodore Roosevelt as running mate, trounced Democrat William Jennings Bryan 51.6% to 45.5% in the popular vote.
The glorification of all things military keeps certain industries humming, certain politicians in office, and makes Americans feel good about themselves.
So "justice has been served", ... just like it was in 1963 when Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald and set to rest any doubts about who killed President Kennedy and how it was done.
This shows what should have been- a "special ops" operation committed by our trained assassins against the Al Quada trained assassins. I do not believe Obama and his "ops" people are finished. Expect further actions against the "second" and "third" in the command structure of Al Quada.
This is going to be proof to the world of what appropriate action should have been after 9/11/2001. Not the millions dead and billions of dollars wasted.
Obama had no choice in these recent events-he had to prove his manhood and xenophobic patriotism to the yahoos(who are not just Tea Party members)but average Joe blue collar/lower white collar worker. They think through their guts and emotions.My hope is that these recent turn of events will help expedite withdrawal as we can actually point to a "success story." Why not use this as "'victory" and get the hell out?
The Ithaca Journal asks, “If the U.S. government does not have enough hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan?” Indeed.
Bin Laden died in 2001, he had kidney
disease.
But, someone made this story up and that
is what it is, that he was assassinated.
So how does anyone find out or believe
anything anymore because they all lie.
unfortunately i believe the otherside has gotten hold of your Presindent too.
when he was running for election we all had high hopes for him... not just you Americans. we, too, believed he was a hero - a Nelson Mandela. he has been very dissapointing but i believe it's because he has a beutiful family... and the otherside uses this to keep him in line. sorry guys... we were really hoping he was your hero.
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