The Neocons Regroup on Libyan War

The Creeping Fascism of American Politics

FOCUS: States Unite Against Citizens United

Dimon's Deja Vu Debacle

This Is What Tyranny Looks Like

Cut It Out: An Open Letter to Black Bloc Anarchists

Robert Parry begins: "American neoconservatives worried that the pro-democracy wave sweeping the Middle East might take out only 'moderate' Arab dictators, but the neocons now see hope that uprisings will topple 'enemy' regimes in Libya and Syria."

Members of the Libyan opposition who gained control of areas in the east called for the fall of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi in Tobruk, 02/22/11. (photo: Ed Ou/NYT)

Comments

We are concerned about a recent drift towards vitriol in the RSN Reader comments section. There is a fine line between moderation and censorship. No one likes a harsh or confrontational forum atmosphere. At the same time everyone wants to be able to express themselves freely. We'll start by encouraging good judgment. If that doesn't work we'll have to ramp up the moderation.

General guidelines: Avoid personal attacks on other forum members; Avoid remarks that are ethnically derogatory; Do not advocate violence, or any illegal activity.

Remember that making the world better begins with responsible action.

- The RSN Team

+4 # Activista 2011-03-27 11:42

neocons now are seeking a stronger U.S. military intervention in Libya to oust Col. Muammar Gaddafi (another old Israeli nemesis) and urging more support for protesters in Syria to overthrow the Assad dynasty (regarded as a frontline enemy of Israel) -
AIPAC controlled congress does NOT care about US long range foreign policy

+4 # Glen 2011-03-27 14:00

U.S. military intervention is a major part of the PNAC agenda. On the ole Sunday morning political yak yak programs there was nothing more than support for that agenda and then talk of what might happen with U.S. military if certain actions transpire in a couple of other countries, leaving open the possibility of more attacks and more U.S. military spending. There have been predictions of world war by the year 2020 and it would appear the neo-cons will be choreographing that event.

+4 # fredboy 2011-03-27 11:45

It is funny how the neocons always regroup and weigh in on wars and other military actions.

It is also funny how none of the perhaps 400+ neocons I know ever had any combat experience.

As one student neocon once told me after I asked why he didn't join the military, "I think it's more important for the nation for me to get my MBA."

+5 # DaveW 2011-03-27 13:41

Parry, as usual, paints a grim portrait of our Middle Eatern forays. He writes
"major U.S. news media aided the neocon cause." Our "major" U.S. news media outlets are wholly "owned" subsidiaries of Wall ST. and the MIC. We can no longer depend on honest evaluations from them concerning military actions or financial malfeasance. Quoting Charles Krauthammer from within the article and concerning Obama's lack of resolve in aiding the Libyan rebels, "no one has anything near our capibilities, experience and resources." lol The dude is generally (when not Obama bashing) writing about how "broke" we are and how we better curtail entitlements. But of course, how stupid of me. We "always" have abundant resources for another war.

+4 # unclewags 2011-03-27 15:34

I figured out that the acronym AIPAC represents the American-Israeli Political Action Committee which is an Israeli-first Zionist front propaganda/lobbying organization working hand-in-glove with the neo-cons, alias fascists, who have ideological interests in the manipulations and machinations of vast media outlets controlled by the evil Herr Goebbels' mentality of Rupert Murdoch.

+3 # jon 2011-03-27 16:33

Quoting

I figured out that the acronym AIPAC represents the American-Israeli Political Action Committee which is an Israeli-first Zionist front propaganda/lobbying organization working hand-in-glove with the neo-cons, alias fascists, who have ideological interests in the manipulations and machinations of vast media outlets controlled by the evil Herr Goebbels' mentality of Rupert Murdoch.

What an irony - from a mid-twentieth century perspective - fascists working hand-in-glove with Zionists. But oh, that's right, the fascists have a new Jew: Liberals.

I wonder when the neocons are going to come up with THEIR own version of the "ultimate solution"? They will probably call it: "Camp Reagan".

-2 # Joeconserve 2011-03-27 15:44

On the way into Baghdad I saw this little girl standing by the road with a soiled dress on and no shoes waving as we went by grinning from ear to ear. It was dusty, hot and the sand along the road kept swirling up in the air casting a haze around the shacks a short distance off the road. After arriving at our destination just outside Baghdad we set up our cots in one of Saddam's 68 palaces. The Italian marble was everywhere inside.

At many places out around and away from Baghdad into the desert, munitions had been collected from Saddam's various storage depots to be disposed of primarily through explosive demolition. During my year there approximately 1,000 tons per day were blown up. That's 365 x 1,000. When I left there was still two years of munitions waiting for elimination.

When someone like Robert Parry makes reference to WMD in a derogatory manner to accuse George W. Bush's "administration’ s propaganda about Iraq’s non-existent WMD" I want to puke! I suggest Mr. Parry get out of Starbucks, away from his Latte Group, and take a walk in reality. I can hear Mr. Parry's response, now. "WMD is defined as only being biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons, though." Ya! Right!

He should read Walid Phares's book, "The Coming Revolution" before he comments further on any place in the Middle East.

+1 # Activista 2011-03-27 18:20

"administration’ s propaganda about Iraq’s non-existent WMD"
WMD - nuclear, biological, chemical weapons - majority in arsenal in USA, Israel - Sadam destroyed them - MOSSAD made the false documents (like yellow cake) to suck Bush into the Iraq.
Lieberman etc. continue this pro Israel/anti US agenda (Libya, Syria).

+3 # Glen 2011-03-28 03:07

The very real issue, Joeconserve, is what is the over-all importance of Iraq and the Middle East. Oil and power. Certainly "WMD" has within the last year or so been expanded to include the type of munitions you were disposing of (and much of which other countries, including the U.S. provided Hussein with), but having them does not indicate intent to attack another country or the U.S. Except for U.S. backed "wars" in the Middle East, sending Iraq to attack Iran, there has been little aggression.

Iraq was already pretty much destroyed before the U.S. attacked this time around, and the CIA had a heavy presence in country. In point of fact, they were pretty much controlling the territory with bribes, threats, and relaying information. Much of the population was ill with radiation sicknesses and Clinton bombed them regularly.

At the time WMD did mean major weapons, however, which the Bush administration used as an excuse to attack, among others. Using that definition, it was a lie.

0 # Joeconserve 2011-03-28 06:53

It is an observable fact that oil is a basic element of any economy in the world. Thus, access to crude oil supply is crucial. Power figures in as a control mechanism on both sides of its supply and use. That is a fact of human interaction regardless of the commodity in question or the players on the field. Had the United States used its own crude oil for its own needs we would have a very different situation in the world.

The second military action in Iraq was more of a continuing effort to deal with a dictator who had invaded a bordering country and who continued to violate UN sanctions after his expulsion from Kuwait. The two military actions were not discrete and severable actions.

I don't recall any conversation or evidence of the population being ill with radiation sickness.

0 # Glen 2011-03-28 08:06

Bunker busters were used heavily in Iraq 1 and 2, Afghanistan, and Kosovo. Even U.S. military members have suffered with health issues due to exposure. Iraqi children often played on irradiated tanks and similar, resulting in leukemia and illnesses related to that. Before Bush attacked there were already maybe 500,000 dead from those illnesses, along with the sanctions. The attack on Iraq this time around killed thousands and thousands and left millions homeless or as refugees.

The U.S. punished citizens more than the Hussein regime. And for what. There is no moral grounds for killing that many people. And yes - it was for the oil.

As for the attack on Kuwait, the U.S. pretty much opened that door, as well. They then encouraged citizens to fight Hussein and left those citizens high and dry to die. This is all public domain knowledge, not opinion.

0 # Joeconserve 2011-03-29 06:14

Hm...As I walked the ground and interacted with the Iraqi people I never got the impression that we were such murderers. The impression I did get was that they were glad Saddam was gone. By the way, none that I talked to ever called Saddam a leader of the Iraqi people. Perhaps a Baathist might see things different but, then, they didn't like anybody who was not a Baathist.

+2 # DaveW 2011-03-28 08:08

Joeconserve, This country is killing its own people and hundreds of thousands of people in the Middle East so people can drive around in Hummers and Dodge Ram pickups. Mass transit systems have been virtually ignored for decades. The U.S. has approximately 3% of the world's proven oil reserves. How long do you think that would last taking our consumption rates into account? We DID NOT invade Iraq to deal with a dictator who had invaded a bordering country and was violating UN sanctions. We invaded to "secure" future oil supplies for Western countries. Remove oil from the scenario and we would NOT or NEVER have been there. If we're sending 17 yr. old kids to die or have their legs blown off so "Joe American" can bomb around in a gas guzzler then something is horribly wrong despite your "commodities and players" analogy and you've essentially doomed the human race to destroying itself over the last existing carrot.

0 # Joeconserve 2011-03-29 06:23

DaveW, you need to study history, particularly history of the Middle East. I would suggest you go back as far as the Assyrians and Babylonians and read forward. Further, I would suggest you read as one who is living at the time the particular history is being recorded. Stay away from current day thinking as it will confuse the message. For example, in my youth I paid 25 cents per gallon of gas. The conditions existing in the world at that time cannot be seen with $3.50 gallon gas mindsets.

0 # Glen 2011-03-28 14:49

Joeconserve, I answered your post, but apparently there has been an issue with the internet, and it was lost. I will try again soon.

0 # Robert Griffin 2011-03-28 13:42

As bad as Saddam was (definitely very very bad), it was our involvement in Iraq which permitted the massacre in the church in Baghdad last fall. Such massacres were not allowed under Saddam.
Perhaps, if we could have handled Fallujah better in Spring 2003 things _might_ have been different, but as it was...

0 # RICHARDKANEpa 2011-03-27 18:09

Anyone remember the glum around the world that followed years after the Tiananmen Square massacre in China, when it was realized that that massacre cemented the Chinese leadership’s control over the country. Egyptian euphoria is a beckon to trying to make a better world. Libya almost became a warning that you better not try.

Google “The People United Can Always be exterminated”
http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/21-21/5426-the-people-united-can-always-be-exterminated

When President Reagan managed to gut safety standards and wages, and managed to create a little economic bubble as the US galloped into the race for the bottom, and as an after thought won praise from future generations, it helped create the recent economic meltdowns. Qaddafi as a strong leader for the future would have had an even more departmental long-term effect.

0 # Glen 2011-03-28 05:41

Glad you brought that up. Yes, people are expendable, in spite of their feelings of power through protest. But - organized protests do not happen overnight, especially in so many countries at once. One must wonder about the origins of the recent protests and the over-all agenda in creating even more chaos in the Middle East.

0 # Joeconserve 2011-03-29 06:00

To gain an understanding, Glen, of your wondering "about the origins of the recent protests" you must go back into history almost to the Assryian and Babylonian periods and read forward paying attention to the middle 500's thru the late 600's to gain a base for what is happening now. Or, you could get an excellent summary from Walid Phare's book, "The Coming Reveolution." We are not the culprits you imply in your comments.

+1 # Glen 2011-03-30 09:28

Joe, I've done plenty of research as a teacher and can tell you that there has been nothing but chaos in the Middle East due to the interference of numerous countries or regimes. The folks in the territory had their own way of dealing with each other and then along comes another empire to burn 'em down, rearrange their territories, and claim their resources. The British did their fair share of meddling, setting up new boundaries for new countries and helping to install their own dictators take land to claim for Jews, and join forces with the U.S. to take the oil and assist in the U.S. efforts of the same, not to mention control.

The CIA, MOSSAD, and numerous other agents have stirred up these citizens, bribed armies and leaders, and then set those countries up for attack. That is the main reason to suspect the CIA stirred this up for their own, and the neo-con agenda.

Check out Africa if you'd like to see more evidence of foreign interference and meddling, and stealing, and ruining.

0 # Glen 2011-03-30 14:28

Recent report, Joe:

U.S. intelligence source: CIA is operating inside Libya to help U.S. increase "military and political understanding."

0 # Joeconserve 2011-03-29 06:24

So, people are expendable. Wow!

0 # Glen 2011-03-30 09:37

Yes, Joe, in the minds of the most powerful people, folks are expendable. Little attention has been paid to the thousands of deaths of citizens in Iraq and Afghanistan, caused by the U.S., for instance. Hardly anyone remembers the murder and abuse of union organizers, blacks, veterans, the military using soldiers as guinea pigs for various and sundry experiments, including setting them up on ships adjacent to nuclear bomb targets, etc. forever.

Don't kid yourself, we are all expendable. Very humbling, don't you agree.

0 # Joeconserve 2011-04-03 14:52

Glen, your comments seem bent on identifying America and, perhaps, all Western countries, as devious evil minded countries dominated by world power brokers bent on enslaving anybody that falls in their path. However, within the criteria you have used, all groups of people whether as countries or subsets within countries anywhere in the world would qualify as these unscrupulous power brokers. The logical outcome of your scenario would be chaos.

Before America came to be, the people of the world were grouped into any number of combinations based primarily on minority power such as kings, pharaohs, tribal chiefs, etc. all basing their power on personal entitlement. It wasn't until America, based on the consent of the governed, that personal achievement in lieu of personal entitlement came to be. And, we have shown the world what can result from people doing what they do best. Just in my short life, to use one example, I was using a slide rule to assist my studies in nuclear physics and now I use my Iphone4 for my daily calculations of life. America going to the moon caused this geometric progression of technology. We can find similar examples of progress as we moved across the Great Plains in Conestoga wagons.

I just don't know what you and the other commenters want from America. Try living in another country and see how that goes.

Refresh comments list
RSS feed for comments to this post.

THE NEW STREAMLINED RSN LOGIN PROCESS: Register once, then login and you are ready to comment. All you need is a Username and a Password of your choosing and you are free to comment whenever you like! Welcome to the Reader Supported News community.

rsn

Name:	*
Username:	*
E-mail:	*
Password:	*
Confirm password:	*
Fields marked with an asterisk (*) are required.