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Intro: "Leave it to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia to argue that the Constitution does not, in fact, bar sex discrimination."

File photo, US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, 09/08/10. (photo: AP)
File photo, US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, 09/08/10. (photo: AP)

 

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+50 # Guest 2010-09-22 20:14
As a life-long Catholic, and the first Catholic layperson to receive a degree in Catholic theology (1959, Catholic Theology Faculty, University of Tubingen), I am heartily ashamed of four of the five Catholics on the Supreme Court - the four reactionary ones. They surely do not represent the vast majority of 65 million mostly liberal to moderate U.S. Catholics, let alone the 30 million who have walked away from it! As Congressman Boehner says, "They should resign!" though of course he had a different "they" in mind.
 
 
+17 # Guest 2010-09-22 23:20
Well-said, Leonard. It IS gratifying to know that they don't represent the 95 million American Catholics, for they really represent their authoritarian backers who pollute the cultural atmosphere with their money.
 
 
+19 # Guest 2010-09-23 05:25
Mr. Swidler, good for you. It is possible to have a belief in a higher being and yet recognize that we live in the here and now with each other as our brother's keeper. If god gave us all of our enormous faculties wouldn't he have intended that we use them for the grand eloquence of perpetuating a sane and progressive civilization with inclusivity and for the benefit of everyone?
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-24 08:01
One really does have to wonder what has become of "Catholic social teaching"--that treasury of wisdom, drawing on Aristotle as elaborated by Aquinas, and applied to more recent times by Leo XIII and John XXIII. Now, in Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, and Alito we have what are presumably products of Catholic education telling us that corporations are superpersons--telling us that the likes of Wal-Mart, Exxon, and perhaps BP as well, can use all their profits and power to bend the American political process to their will. It looks like somewhere in the twentieth century, Catholic education must have gone toxic--and is now a major impediment to any effort at defending the remaining vestiges of democracy in America.
 
 
+47 # Guest 2010-09-22 20:20
Justice Scalia is a sexist piece of work. Basic human rights must not be left up to individual state legislatures. If I were his wife, I would start divorce proceedings. This is beyond the pale.
 
 
+13 # Guest 2010-09-23 06:15
Quoting
Justice Scalia is a sexist piece of work. Basic human rights must not be left up to individual state legislatures. If I were his wife, I would start divorce proceedings. This is beyond the pale.


She would first need to ask his permission.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-24 12:47
OMG!!! Does he HAVE a wife? Oh, dear.
 
 
0 # John Bell 2010-09-27 04:48
And thirteen children.
 
 
+26 # bobpomeroy 2010-09-22 20:28
I hope people remember the conservatives' Equal Right's Amendment arguments. First was that it wasn't needed by virtue of numerous SCt decisions to the effect what the pro ERA wanted was in fact protected under the Constitution. Second was that if it did mean anything, it would mean 'too much' and upset weird applecarts, a veritable parade of horrors. Now Fr Scalia says it isn't protected. Of course it was just an open discussion, not to be taken seriously. Michael Lee needs to be asked about this statement and Citizen's United, just to see how straight a line he can draw.
 
 
-35 # Guest 2010-09-22 20:54
If the Constitution is a "living document," as you say, tell what or who decides where this "living document" has wandered next, and what, if any, limits there are on the constitutional wanderings? Further, if the Constituiton is a "living document," as you say, then what or who is to say that a court of radical conservatives could not determine that the Commerce Clause has wandered entirely too far, and find labor laws, civil rights laws, and farm limits and subsidies to be unconstitutiona l? Well, of course, the answer is -- NOTHING!

I chuckled at your dismissal of original intent followed by your comment on the Citizens United case: "there is considerable evidence that the founders were worried about corporate influence." If the Constitution is a "living document," why bother with anything the founders thought?

Scalia concurred in Bush on the ground that the Florida decision violated the constitutional delegation of electoral matters to the Florida legislature.
 
 
+31 # Guest 2010-09-23 07:00
>"If the Constitution is a "living document," why bother with anything the founders thought?"<

Because the argument made on the part of conservatives has to do with "original intent". That makes what the founders thought relevent. It's absurd and stretches reason to the point of snapping to think that the forward thinking that we attribute to our founders would have a gaping hole when it came to the simple realization that the world would look different 1 to 200+ years later. In his book, "The Rights of Man" Thomas Paine said this:
"The vanity and presumption of governing beyond the grave is the most ridiculous and insolent of all tyrannies. It is the living, and not the dead, that are to be accommodated."
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-26 09:29
If the Constitution was intended to be a unalterable document set in stone then why did the founders set up a process for amendments to be added or removed? "Original Intent" deifies the founders making of them all knowing and with wisdom beyond that other men. "Original Intent" also seems to ignore the differences of opinion between the founders.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-09-26 14:27
Scalia Concurred In BUSH ...Florida decision
violated Constitutional delegation of electoral matters to Florida Legislation???

Sammy Davis Jr., in Porgy and Bess..
It Ain't necessarily so, the things that you are liable to read in that 'BIBLE" Sacred Constitution?? well it Ain't necessarily SO!
 
 
+25 # Guest 2010-09-22 21:09
That ignorant little Cisilian toad needs to be pressured to resign--by the roughly 153 MILLION female citizens this crass little creep just dishonored! I think he needs to go hunting with Dick again, and maybe we'll ALL get lucky, if you know what I mean!
 
 
+9 # Guest 2010-09-23 12:42
I am right behind you, Janis, where do we line up!
 
 
+13 # Guest 2010-09-22 21:15
He's hardly the one to judge the ethics of anything.
To paraphrase Hunter S Thompson... Scalia 'looks like a potato with mange'.
 
 
+13 # Guest 2010-09-22 21:26
He belongs out of the Catholic Church and over there with his Bible thumping buddies on a Sunday mornin' goin' through the Bible with a fine tooth comb and literally deciphering it word for word. That's about as much sense as he makes. Retire.
 
 
+13 # Guest 2010-09-23 08:28
I attend a Catholic mass every Sunday although not Catholic. I don't see them thumping Bibles. They are more into indoctrination as are many other sects. Early Catholics were not allowed to read the Bible for themselves and had it interpreted for them by the hierarchy of the church as it suited their needs. It is disruptive to have people reading and thinking for themselves. That's why it's not encouraged.

Scalia is like that with the Constitution. The Constitution is for the High Priests of the Court to interpret what the original intent of the founders was. And of course, he must be closer to God than the women on the court since Jesus was a man.

It's the same arguments used for keeping women out of the priesthood and in their place as mere producers of new Catholics and as 'occasions of sin.'

Very few people ever willingly give up power. Scalia is never going to admit that anyone but a select few can divine the meaning of God's word or the Constitution.
 
 
+18 # Guest 2010-09-22 21:51
Why dignify this-justice? He's supposed to be a responsible person. He's just a dangerous hack, this Scalia, on the nominally, highest court of the land.
 
 
+10 # Guest 2010-09-22 21:57
what a pig! He is truly a disgusting low class jerk!
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-22 22:23
He's trying to give the Supreme Court "Scaliaosis"
 
 
+17 # Guest 2010-09-22 23:14
Scalia, at bottom, is a fool whose education enables him to 'mouth' authoritarian propaganda in the service of his backward-looking friends.
 
 
+20 # giraffe 2010-09-22 23:47
It's time for puhlic uproar when a Supreme Court Judge cannot separate his persona preferences from his decisions for the country. There are Cannons the the judges of any court in the USA must follow. Judge Scalia inconsistent decisions (depending on the color of the skin, sexual orientation, gender, etc) I'd say this trait is akin to dementia --or a drunk who can't remember what he said "the last time the subject was discussed."
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-23 12:43
Actually, any of those could be literally true. Do we know otherwise??
 
 
+25 # Guest 2010-09-22 23:51
Since when has logical consistency been a requirement for conservatives?

Scalia wants what he wants and the rest of us be damned. He is not in the SCOTUS to do what is right for the nation. He is there to have his way and to protect his wealthy supporters and personal friends.

To date I have seen no instances of ethical, moral or personal integrity stances by any conservative justices. It runs counter to Scalia's catholicism to be on the side of the masses. The masses may be provided with lip service but scant else.
 
 
+21 # Guest 2010-09-23 02:38
This is exactly why we need to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment. It takes 38 states. Only 35 states have ratified it so far. Conservatives have blocked it in the other states.
 
 
+35 # Guest 2010-09-23 03:47
A few months ago I watched a debate between Justice Antonin Scalia and Justice Stephen Breyer. It became clear to me that Scalia's legal thought process was very shallow.

Scalia went back to his argument that the Constitution had to be interpreted according to the reality of the time it was written and no further. To do otherwise would in effect be a re-writing of the document.

Breyer answered with: if I followed your logic I would have to limit the Second Amendment to muskets.

But what bothers me most about Scalia and the other right-wingers on the court is their inconsistency. They make very clear their judicial reasoning and then stray very far from it when it suits them in an actual case.
 
 
+16 # Guest 2010-09-23 03:50
Impeachment is an option, if anyone had the evidence, and intestinal fortitude to initiate it. Not holding my breathe, though.
 
 
-33 # Guest 2010-09-23 03:53
A more thoughtful reading of Scalia would indicate that he believes that the government should not discriminate against women (or any other citizen) but that private discrimination is acceptable if not legislatively prohibited. This position seems sensible to me: my spouse would be supremely disappointed with me if I decided to bestow sexual favors on everyone indiscriminatel y! Private discrimination is necessary and proper in many situations and to try to prohibit it where it is proper, is simply foolish.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
 
 
+16 # Guest 2010-09-23 08:39
Of course, discrimination is necessary for good judgment in everyday life. We depend on it for survival. But you are confusing it with the legal terms of what governments can do and what governments can and must protect as equal rights.

Do you really want to go back to arguments over slavery and not recognizing Indians as having any rights at all? There is a reason they left powers to a third branch as the last arbitor of the document itself. They were wise enough to know times and mores change and the Constitution had to set a framework for the ideals they valued. It is those ideals that have to be honored above all else and Scalia tends to ignore those when it goes against his personal likes and dislikes.
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-23 16:54
This position seems sensible to me: my spouse would be supremely disappointed with me if I decided to bestow sexual favors on everyone indiscriminatel y!

Seems to me your wife might supremely disappointed with you if she read this inanity and quite suspicious that you are bestowing sexual favors on others - although no doubt very discriminately. Just how many women are you bestowing these "favors" on! Sounds like either a chauvinist pig or a miserly chauvinist CEO talking here. Please share your comment with your wife and let everyone here know what she says! Thanks!
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-24 15:58
I know teenagers, Lee, who make arguments just like yours...and they are just as unconvincing as rationalization s go.
 
 
+14 # Guest 2010-09-23 04:59
That we are still tolerating such an obsequious and mal-intentioned lackey as our chief justice speaks to our cowardice as a society. We need to impeach him and the other four that facilitated the theft of the presidency in 2000. We will not be a healthy democracy until we address this crime.
 
 
-36 # Guest 2010-09-23 05:00
I strongly disagree that the Constitution is a living document. I maintain it is a principled document which can be modified, amended, as may be needed. 1896, Plessy versus Ferguson, 1954 Brown versus Board of Education. Two opposing rulings based on the same unrevised, unConstitutiona l, illegal 14th Amendment.
It is Scalia who is correct. Truths, principles are always correct, human nature being unchanged for tens of thousands of years.
 
 
+24 # Guest 2010-09-23 07:00
What a cynical view you have of mankind! In regard to human nature, every moment is an opportunity for change, and a great many human beings have worked very hard to transform themselves into wiser, more aware people, open to what comes. To deny the possibility of human regeneration, is to deny the purpose of life, and I am sorry that you so limit yourself. As living beings, in the 21st century, Americans require a living Constitution, one that responds to new necessities, and changing times. We, the people, are the life-blood of this country, and the Constitution belongs to us, we are not its chattel. Justice Scalia is an arrogant elitist who has no business being a member of the people's Supreme Court, as he cares not at all about our interests. He and the rest of the Republicans are the bane of our existence.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-23 12:51
I am not willing to condemn all Republicans, but I am with you 100% otherwise. Not, that I don't know which Republicans to which you refer..and agree with that.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-24 12:55
I have watched Republicans closely, for years, and I have yet to see even one who is genuinely compassionate, and cares about the common good. I know that they are just as capable of regeneration as the rest of us, but I do think that they are, as a group, more out of touch with their spiritual essence. Democrats, despite their flaws, are much more human. By the way, I am an Independent.

I have to add that I am mostly speaking about politicians here, but local Republican voters are just as asleep, and therefore just as dangerous to our well-being.
 
 
0 # DennisNYC 2010-09-28 23:25
I agree with every you said, except the last sentence. The "local Repugnicon voters" are the ones who vote the scurrilous thugs into office. Therefore, they deserve the bulk of the blame.
 
 
+9 # Guest 2010-09-23 09:13
Truth is always correct. How's that for truism. However, no one can say for sure that is absolutely sure and what may be true at any one moment may not be true in another. Truth is situational.

Judges and judgment have always been a part of social beings. Social beings have disagreements and they have to be settled. They submit themselves to judges who are supposed to be wise and objective. Otherwise, no settlement is possible on no one would agree to submit to the decision.

The problem with our court system now is that it has become a crap shoot. When we have people like Scalia and Thomas on the panel, it is worse than a crap shoot. The odds are against a fair and objective hearing. People then turn to self help and avoid the system whenever possible.
 
 
+23 # Guest 2010-09-23 05:05
I do not say lightly that our country is
in a dangerous place. We have not so quietly slipped into a savage, and damnable position of being not protected by our constituion but destroyed by it through the narrow and mean interpretation of a very very sick group of megalomaniacs. This is disturbing to say the very least.
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-23 05:05
Leonard Swidler is right, but, as a Catholic theologist, he must recognize that the catholic justices are aligned to the VATICAN STATE, not the United States of America. The privilege of dual citizenship in this country has destroyed its security, beginning with the Vatican State. Just look at the predicutions of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. http://www.usccb.org to see what they predict in population. Justice Scalia is on their agenda.

This argument is as old as the day is long.
 
 
+12 # Guest 2010-09-23 05:15
Justice Scalia is an ass. Using him as a measuring rod for women being equal to men, would require us to take a very large step down.
 
 
+14 # Guest 2010-09-23 05:43
Tony Scalia is about as useful to the USA as a mob lawyer. He's a pig.
 
 
+12 # Guest 2010-09-23 09:16
Please.Pigs are smart and make good, loyal pets. When given a chance, they are clean and lovable. It is an insult to pigs to say Scalia is one of them. I would much rather have my case decided by a wise ole sow that this bore.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-09-24 10:43
He is a mob lawyer-he works for the gang that controls the whole thing-of which the Mob itself is only a small branch-(see'The Good Shepherd' movie for this line of reasoning!)

We the People and our betyter natures, our generous impulses, and our desire for equality for all have been progressively shut out from the government since at least post-WWII, when we brought back all those nasty Fascist ideas disguised as 'Americanism'!for those of us who lived through the assasinations, the viet Nam war protests, the 60's dreams aof a better society, the eroding of the country has been going on for 45 years!!!!
 
 
+20 # Guest 2010-09-23 05:52
After his career of so much hypocrisy, why would anyone take seriously Scalia's claim to "original intent"? Does the Constitution mention the word corporation? To give these legal fictions even more rights than we natural persons is an absurd political move, not originalism.
 
 
-6 # Guest 2010-09-23 05:59
her hair style with hair clip is more becoming to her than any hairdo she has had in years. It is very youthful while still age appropriate.
Get with it folks !!
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-23 12:53
Whatever are you talking about?
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-09-23 06:12
Please help me. My ancient Mac pulled one of its random tricks. I can read the comments but there is a big white box on top of the article. Could someone tell me what Scalia said?

dbesser@frii.com
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-23 10:02
Original article is at http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2020667,00.html
 
 
+22 # Guest 2010-09-23 06:31
To me the present SCOTUS is about the same as Fox News. Nothing more than an arm of the GOP. I still cannot get over the fact that the Senate of the US confirmed people such as Chief Justice Roberts,and Alito, during the GW Bush administration. They should have known that these two people, together with Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy will always rule on the side of the Republican Party. Scalia has always been a soource of disgust to the Democrats, since he will always rule on the side of the GOP.
This has been again proven by these 5 Judges ruling that Corporations could give money to any Political party they wanted to, thus making a Corporations in effect, a person, instead of a bueiness
entity.....What a joke.....
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-09-23 12:54
Well, not exactly a person...a person doesn't have the clout a corporation can.
 
 
+16 # Guest 2010-09-23 07:20
Scalia and people of his exact ilk are traitors to democracy and the problem with our society. They are not at all intellects but dumb as nails sell outs to corporations that should be in prison, mnot leading the highest courts.
 
 
+13 # Guest 2010-09-23 07:25
I guess by Scalia's reasoning, the right to bear arms should be limited to the musket. Maybe that would be a good thing.
 
 
+11 # Guest 2010-09-23 09:21
I think the point is that Scalia adheres to originalism when it suits him and runs from it when it doesn't. He gets to decide when to stick to original intent, how to divine what the authors meant, and when to do a run around to make his decision fit into original intent.

This makes for some mighty strange outcomes and very little consistency.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-25 06:04
strictly speaking, I don't recall the constitution guaranteeing the right to keep and bear ammunition.
 
 
-7 # lyman 2010-09-23 08:01
Perhaps the esteemed justice reasons this way:

The Constitution is strict and clear, but judicial restraint is a flexible doctrine. You just have to read that document under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. That ensures that you won't be distorting it to conform to your merely personal opinion.

And as for the command to exercise "judicial restraint" itself, as restriction to "originalism" -- that's no merely personal opinion either: the Holy Spirit provides there, as well.
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-09-23 08:36
And where does the Constitution say that the Supreme Court is supreme? Actually, it was the Court that declared itself to be supreme in interpreting the Constitution--in Marbury v. Madison, 1803.
 
 
-3 # Guest 2010-09-23 08:56
I'm not a big fan of Scalia, but is remarks were about sex discrimination generally speaking, not about sex discrimination against women or gays per se. For instance, the constitutionali ty of laws that would jail teenage boys for having sex with girls their own age where both are under 18 has been upheld by the Court on more than one occasion. Such laws have been changed with so called "Romeo and Juliet" clauses but only at the state level.
 
 
+15 # Guest 2010-09-23 09:44
Scalia is an active representative of a very backward and regressive cult -- the Opus Dei 'sect' which fosters, not merely espouses, retrograde views of others, most notably but not exclusively, women.

His cavalier dismissal of his partisan behavior in Gore v. Bush (essentially to just stop talking about it) shows his lack of real concern for constitutional issues and even less concern for his destructive attitude towards any real democracy in this benighted country.
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-23 12:44
Even worse --
He spoke as an institutionally sponsored invitee to a very select audience -- law school students who will themselves become lawyers and judges in the future -

Talking about sowing landmines for civil rights in the future!!

I'D BE WILLING TO SIGN A PETITION TO HAVE HIM RECALLED FROM THE US SUPREME COURT --

Remember how Justice Abe Fortas was forced to resign over his unsuitability in 1969??
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10346.html

LET'S REMOVE THIS BIGOT AS WELL!!
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-23 15:11
Really, the likes of him and Thomas, let alone Roberts and Alito, aberrant types in a high court, it is not their fault. They were already what they are before they were nominated. Those who nominated them, and confirmed them, bear the greater responsibility. Now we are stuck with them for life! Strike at the Party that put them there!
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-09-23 15:19
I'm not trying to defend the mafia scumbag Scalia, but in the days of the Founding Fathers, discrimination of several types, sex, race, etc. were considered "normal". We really haven't evolved that much since then, have we?
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-09-23 15:51
Most judges do not engage in public discussion of their opinions on issues that may yet come before them in the future for exactly the same reason that prospective judges do not comment on such matters during their confirmation hearings: They may commit themselves to a particular viewpoint and may then not feel free to consider the matter on the facts and law when it comes before them on the bench.

Of course Justice Antonin Scalia is not like most judges, who would recuse themselves from deciding a Vice President's case coming up shortly after they went duck hunting together. Which, of course, left Scalia open to the question: "Why do you think Cheney invited him to go duck hunting in the first place.
 
 
+8 # Guest 2010-09-23 15:54
KMC, you can't "recall" a justice from the U.S Supreme Court by a petition or otherwise. He must be impeached, which almost never happens. And if he were impeached, he'd still have to be convicted, an even greater unlikelihood.

All the more reason not to elect Republican presidents in the first place.
 
 
+2 # fredboy 2010-09-27 13:35
Scalia is a joke, a scab on the court's knee, a Constitutional aardvark. We still recall that great "no precedent" appointment of Bush to the presidency--the day they shoved the Constitution into the shredder.
 
 
0 # Ron Fletcher 2010-09-30 03:57
What a hypocrite! By this logic, there is no guaratee of individual rights to corporations but he did't have any problem with Citizens United. These type of political justices should be impeached.
 

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