Introduction: "Was there a foreign government behind the 9/11 attacks? A decade later, Americans still haven't been given the whole story, while a key 28-page section of Congress's Joint Inquiry report remains censored. Gathering years of leaks and leads, in an adaptation from their new book, Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan examine the connections between Saudi Arabia and the hijackers (15 of whom were Saudi), the Bush White House's decision to ignore or bury evidence, and the frustration of lead investigators - including 9/11-commission staffers, counterterrorism officials, and senators on both sides of the aisle."
From left: King Abdullah, Prince Naif bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud, Osama bin Laden, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki. (photo: Vanity Fair)
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It's been almost 50 years since President Kennedy was assassinated and the complete Warren Commission Report is still under wraps.
Shouldn't the U.S. government demand more timely accountability on how these events keep our "democracy" in perpetual war?
First off, GREAT pix, Vanity Fair!
Now, I'd like to point out something about what should be the truth of the U.S. democracy created SO long ago: WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT in reality, not these bone-head, greedy, corrupt corporate monsters who have perpetrated a genocide of our U.S. democracy, and thus, our nation. There is no U.S. democracy, merely capitalism!
So WE ALL have to get a spine and demand accountability and truths the only ways we can: 1) vote OUT the scum, and 2) take to the streets and demand to have our democracy back from the thieves who stole it.
I'm done with pussy-footing around our social network chatterboxes; WE, THE PEOPLE need to act...or...we will be in a darkness so bleak it will make what's going on in America today look simply like a rough ride on a Disney World roller coaster.
The Saudis, Bushes, and our corporate government have been in a matrimonial bed forever!
It's time for a divorce. And it's time for the truth. BIG TIME!
N.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Watch it all, but especially the 2007 version, Parts II and III.
As many have said, follow the money...do not miss Part III.
N.
But backing up a bit, what would be the motive for the Saudi's to do so? Trashing the U.S. economy does not, on the face of it, appear to be Cable - why sabotage a customer?
One would say "increase in oil prices". True, but then that starts putting fuel on the same footing as alternative energy supplies (which would undercut your future earnings).
I see lots of lines, questionable material (even the CIA says torture does not give you valuable information), and hand waving. But I don't see a clear reason why Saudi Arabia would have any reason to attack the United States (given that the Twin Towers were attacked during Clinton's term - a fact that was left out of the article - but basically did little damage).
This has the makings of a great thriller, but I just can't ascertain what the Saudi's would gain.
Check out torontohearings .org
The books and article are propaganda ... there are even MORE "facts" that the 911 was orchestrated by NEOCONS - but just ask question - would AIPAC allow the book to be published in the USA? They do not allow even Palestinian film ....
Show me ONE book published by Amazon with Israel and 911 conspiracy theory ...
Mr. Silverstein collected $7 billion dollars from the insurance companies. His down payment on the WTC Buildings was $20 million dollars, when he initially purchased them. Hmmmm....that's a $680 MILLION PROFIT, IN LESS THAN A YEAR! FOLLOW THE MONEY!!
$7 billion - $20 million IS
$6980 million profit -
NOT $680 MILLION -
you should join Obama administration - in budget negotiation.
Back up. A country does not provide cover unless it clearly expects something - "quid pro quo". Bush didn't need an excuse. Republicans controlled Congress and he could have gone into Iraq without 9/11.
What does Saudi Arabia receive out of of it? A buddy/buddy relationship with Bush? They had that. Why should they care who the U.S. attacks (as long as it wasn't them).
This is about Saudi Arabia, not about Bush.
That point was made just after 9/11. Why weren't the press looking back into our own country's screw-ups. The reason was simple. To question the USA about what they failed to do, was tainted by the so called threat that it was un-American to even consider asking our leaders or the CIA about what they failed to do to to prevent this terrorist genocide. Also, many people seem to forget that the Pentagon was hit too, and the the last jet which was forced to crash in PA. had either the Capital building or the White House in their sights.
And while I'm at it, did you know that the person who headed up the planned cockpit storming against the terrorists of the plane that crashed, "OK, let's roll", was gay. They [the government] white washed that fact too.
Bush had no idea, that's why they sent him to read school books. Saudi Arabia is not a nuclear power. They are a puppet dictatorship and were are their #1 customer. They also have a stranglehold on Muslim holy sites.
We could've nuked them out of power, made a 'democracy', took the oil, and made the holy sites more freely accessible for Muslims. Israel would've been all over a Saudi involvment. Israelis hate Arabs.
Makes you wonder why all the 9/11 investigators were Jewish and Israelis coming to the conclusion it was Arab hijackers.
If the hijackers with Pakistani and all the people in the DoD investigating it were Hindu Indian, it would be a conflict of interest. Wake up!
That put me to sleep.
Saudi Arabia is building 16 nuclear reactors. I think they understand "peak oil". Where will they be getting essential fuel for them?
Now what could the Saudis gain? Saudis? Nothing much. Much of the gain was the Multinational Oil Corporations getting control of the flow of oil from sources like Afghanistan. Once they control the flow, they can control the price by withholding oil. OPEC cartel withholds as much oil as they can. In my opinion this isn't so much about getting the oil so much so as to effectively block out other producers like Chinese and Russians from putting more oil on the market. Russia has all the oil it needs and the oligarchs would just try to leverage that oil against American producers to play with the "big boys", Gulf, Shell, Exxon, BP, Chevron, et al. All in an effort to increase profit margins and that is all it ever is! These boys do not play well together, murder, killing, and war are all just the cost of doing business. We get screwed by the illusion of a "Free Markets". Free Markets are a delusional fantasy.
Does not Arab League supports vote for declaring state of PALESTINE in 1967 borders?
Who blackmailed Greece to stop Activists?
Just remember what "friend" propaganda in the Middle East drove US to destroy the Iraq.
just quoting - do NOT agree 100%.. Activista
I would like to see this happen. GWB was every bit of a schnook that he is. I woldn't be surprised that there was a Cheny/Bush connection in this.
"Liking" this idea of Zionist involvement reminds me of the "Elders of Zion" claptrap that justified all kinds of atrocities and murders etc. The "middle easterners" (SHOWN on tv many times during the 9/11 horror) were Palestinian women ululating and their kids dancing around, not some poor orthodox schlep (in 19th c European clothes) in NJ.
The gratuitous bigotry evident on both sides of the political spectrum would be amazing, were it not so repulsive.
I think the Saudi's were culpable by association to the financial support of Osama's terror network. We do a lot of business in oil with the Saudi's, so American oil interests have clouded the judgment of the Bush government then. Also look at the development of Pakistan's involvement in hiding Osama within their country. What I see here is a growing sewer of back room government dealings and cover-ups with the Saudi and Pakistan nations. But that's world politics, which looks deeply in the crystal ball of the future to possibly stear of wrong moves that could be made in the present by our government. But then our government never did seem to care about or learn from the political flubs it made in Central & South America.
Word on the street is that the buyers were - ironically enough - actually from one of the financial companies housed in the WTC. A bad karma result, if you will, of illegal insider trading. Still, it's an interesting anecdote pointing to the possibility that rumors of an impeding attack were actually widely known among the financial community in Wall Street, and may be traceable to Silverstein employees.
wake-up and please do explain where you got the info of the quick sell-off?
If it's true--then explain the million PUT options on the doomed Airlines--why it is not revealed who did it and if they collected the millions.wakie wakie and stop dreaming--Arabs did it. Shocking that fools give thumbs up :^/
This should not be a surprise that Israel would attack America. Israel attacked a US navy vessel, the Coal, when Johnson was president. Israel spies on us. Jonathan Pollard is serving a life sentence for giving thousands of pages of documents while he worked for the US government.
Now I hear Israel is about to attack Iran. This will draw America into another war in the area.
Everyone in the Bush administration acts very suspiciously. The 911 commission hides more that it reveals.
Here is the Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
First off, the only people arrested near the WTC on 9-11 were Israelis, three of whom were Mossad agents. These were the so-called "Dancing Israelis".
Second, Carl Cameron's four-part story on the Israeli spy network being arrested at the time of 9-11 included a statement from a US Government official that evidence exists linking the above Israelis with 9-11, but that the US Government has classified it.
Third, why would Saudi Arabia attack the US? They have trillions of dollars invested here, which would be lost in the event of a confrontation, and more to the point, if the Saudis wanted to destroy the US, all they have to do is ask for their investment money back, and they could crash the entire US financial system, and it would be perfectly legal to do so.
Of course, Israel, which takes vast sums of money out of the US, resents the influence that the Saudis enjoy because of the money they put into the US, and would have a strong motive (as well as an established track record of such dirty tricks) to carry out 9-11 to blame on the Saudis for both political and financial gain.
And they're ALL going to pay.
Oh yeah? Well, google this pal.
Who's "they" and what are they going to pay?
Why not ask a few questions closer to home? Who destroyed a mountain of evidence? Who dragged their feet when an ivestigation was called for? Who instigated a panic over anthrax shortly after the event? Who assembled a crew of insiders to "investigate" the crime? Why did the investigation ignore lines of inquiry based on physical evidence? And last but not least, qui bono?
Again, I ask why did Bldg. 7 implode?
"The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom—approxim ately 10 stories—about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner."
. . and fire. It took 7 hours for the building to fall. They were not fighting -- they had "pulled out" for fear that the building would collapse - the fires spread thru the building and burned all day long.
It's rather easy to see in the video's how the building was structurally failing.
Pop mechanics did a good piece: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center#wtc7
How did the lower floors get damaged? Difficult to look at the image and not figure that one out.
According to my watch, it took around 13 seconds for the building to collapse.
And why would I waste more time, trying to explain the obvious to you.
Why did they wait so many hours, after all of the serious structural damage from the collapse of the tower, after the fires had burned out of control for so many hours, to "control demolition" it? .. when most anyone could see, and for those nearby, hear - with their ears - that the building was in danger?
http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526
Silverstein said that he had to "pull" building 7 because it was so damaged. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
See my reply to #Brenda above.
And on the side bar - look at the circumstances - how many firefighters had just been killed - access to the building - water. It is difficult to imagine how difficult it would have been to properly fight the fires in that heavily damaged building, and put more firefighters lives at risk.
There were numerous comments made immediately after these events that were very telling, and most of these folks were never heard from again. Were you watching the first press type conference that afternoon. There were angry folks telling the truth, just as people do when caught off guard as after many emergencies. That's how cops get admissions of guilt.
What's telling, is that people shape their lives by listening to a few outtakes, and misrepresentati ons of what was going on.
The "pulled" statement's been explained by those involved.
In fact, one of the video's I was watching last night showing build 7, had the emergency chatter going on, and they kept asking, " did they pull everyone out of the building?"
Such a bunch of bull.
"I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. Chief Nigro"
"We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then." Chief Hayden
Ref: http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
Glen. Pls do your life a favor, and spend an hour or two here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8&feature=player_embedded#at=198
Initially I believed the first reports but a number of observations caught my attention and I decided to investigate. One cannot claim to be against something without knowledge of the evidence.
The event has been researched by hundreds of credible people with no axe to grind. That research is on what I base my views.
But thanks for your civil opinion.
In his address to the United Nations on 2011 November 21, President George W. Bush warned us. "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty. To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance the cause of terror."
Which was all very true, except that his version of a conspiracy theory was the most outrageous of all and the one that has done more to advance the cause of terror than any other. At the time, there were very few, if any, people speaking out against the extreme presumptions and inconsistencies of the orthodox theory promulgated by Cheney/Bush. In retrospect, his statement appears to have been a premature defensive move against what he must have foreseen as a coming avalanche of critiques of the flaws in his version.
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
THERE IS EVIDENCE LINKING ISRAEL, NOT SAUDI ARABIA to 9/11!. If it were the Saudis, Israel would be all over this trying to blame Arabs. Because they hate Arabs. Also, why would they attack their #1 customer who keeps the Saud dictatorship in power? We have nukes. They do not. We could nuke the Sauds out of power, partition the nation and instill 'democracy', 'free' Medina and Mecca, and control the oil. Considering none of this happened, it wasn't the Saudis.
It was Israel. Michael Chertoff, Israel-style security buff, Israeli citizen, and all around bad guy classified the info. Then he co-wrote the 4th amendment violating Patriot Act. Then he became head of DHS and today is responsible for the cancer-causing nude scanners.
Several Israelis and Jews investigated 9/11 and blamed Arabs, their natural enemy. A conflict of interest. WAKE UP!!
ALL buildings fell from demolition (not airplane impact or jetfuel fire), which takes days/weeks to prepare!
Perpetrators were Muslim 'Patsies', who knew little, and were entirely incapable of such complex logistics (sorry!)
Planners: Mossad and Renegade CIA (whose 'outfit also executed the Kennedy Brothers). Provided logistics, explosives and manpower, demolition experts and 'Patsies' to take the blame.
Designers; BUSH, CHENEY, and 'THE Gang'
"Dietrich Snell was quoted as saying in an affidavit that there was now “convincing evidence the government of Iran provided material support to al-Qaeda in the planning and execution of the 9/11 attack.” That evidence, however, has yet to surface."
Al-Qaeda was used from Iraq to terrorize Iran -
do NOT have enough wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - Libya is NOT working - so attack another country in the Middle East (Syria, Iran) on behalf of Israel?
There are no good guys or bad guys. They are all the same- the enemy.
Look in the mirror when you say that.
Prince Bandar, Bush and Cheney are all discussing the middle east situation in the oval office just after Bush takes power, January 2001.
Prince Bandar, “ My good friends and allies, Saddam Husein is selling his oil for Euros, I believe quite a threat to your dollar and he's a militarily threat to us also. By the way, we are running out of oil. Hussein has plenty of it.
Cheney - “we’ve been working on a plan that will get the American public behind us in Taking over Iraq. The oil there needs little refining and he’s only tapped a small part of his reserves.” If he thinks he can threaten the American dollar as the reserve currency he’s seen nothing of our ability to create shock and aw”. Besides all my friends at the Carlyle Group and Hallibuton could use the money.
George says, “Bandy my boy that oil is ours are you in”?
Prince Bandar, “ We can help.”
Dick Cheney - "We’ve already picked the fall guy, he worked for us in Afghanistan during the Regan administration. Bandy, you help support our plan and we’ll do the rest to insure it’s success. This will make Peal Harbor look like a love song, it'll make the American public give up their fist born for the cause.”
From the dark comedy, “Reserve the Currency, Get the Goodies and Full Speed Ahead”
just kidding of course.
High rises like the WTC do not just collapse within a few hours after being hit by a plane. The biggest clue is that of WTC 7, which was deliberately brought down demolition style, as admitted by Larry Silverstein. But how is such a missive structure brought down on a spot decision? This is another con job as it takes days of preparation to install explosives at strategic locations at all levels of a building to have a clean demolition.
First of all, How could the 'hijackers' with limited flying skill zero in on the WTC 1 and 2? Why did a jetliner make only a relatively small hole on the wall of the Pentagon? What happened to the wings and the tail? Did they fold inside the 'airplane' just before impact?
As far as Saudis are concerned, one news item proclaimed that "the State Department and the CIA are at odds over the latter issuing American visas to young Saudi men, bypassing the American embassy in Riyadh". Why would the CIA do such a thing if it was not for covert operations?
They don't. Goodness - let me count the other poorly designed super high rises that have been hit at high speed by a huge fully fueled commercial jet?
WTC7 - No it wasn't. The first raged for hours until it collapsed. No he didn't.
There's a better local affiliate news camera that was trained on this side of the building for hours.. but this is pretty good. http://www.archive.org/details/abc200109111323-1404
Check it out at around 22:30 -- you can see smoke billowing out from almost every single floor from end to end. And at 37:00, as the camera zooms in, as is very obvious in the Tower 1 and 2 - the buckling has begun (plenty of weight above for a collapse).
And - http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part%20IIC%20-%20WTC%207%20Collapse%20Final.pdf Don't skip this - read it. It's obvious what occured.
They trained a good - bit. Easy to steer - difficult to land - except for Skully.
The hole was the size of the fuselage. That darn thing about all of the witness across the street on the freeway who identified the American Airlines Jet, is a bit of a problem for you - not to mention the identities of the passengers found in the wreckage. DNA's an amazing tool.
There are piles and piles of evidence. Whether or not you choose to read them and consider them is your choice.
Or, you can go on and have your wet dreams, like this wild one:
You stated: "There is no supporting evidence of building collapsing in history other than 9-11"
Wow - no buildings in history have ever collapsed. Who'd thunk it?
I thing what was referred to here is that no structure has collapsed due to fire of any sort. Did you see the metal columns and the clean cuts on them, rather than twisting and falling off to the side? Nobody paying attention believes that THREE buildings could fall so perfectly, straight down. Also, you might want to investigate what was stored in building 7 and the basement of the trade center, not to mention the pentagon and the fellow who was killed at that time. How about CIA documents in 7 and investigation documents on the loss of millions of dollars through the pentagon and the investigator.
Sooo you've got all these secret CIA documents, and these people who are invisible enough to spend months opening up walls, cutting steel beams, and planting explosives and running miles of wires thru thousands of offices, without anyone seeing them or the evidence of that, think that the best way to destroy rooms of documents is to fell a building on top of them?
What? They're just going to lay there forever, and no body is going to find them in the pile of debris?
What? Why didn't they just secretly shred them?
Who in their right mind can't look at the structure of the WTC's and WTC-7 and just watch what is going on? It's frigging obvious why they all fell.
And I think that we all know by now, that your first statement is just beyond weird.
Everything in all three buildings was incinerated or crushed. There was never "a pile of debris" other than crushed cement and dust. And yes, the preparations for demolishing those buildings could easily be carried off. If you would do the research, you will find that numerous people have been interviewed concerning what they heard and saw and experienced prior to the event, including those in the trade center who survived the demolition. Of course, the U.S. government NEVER interviewed any of those folks. Nor did they analyze the debris or chemicals found in same. That debris was hauled off as fast as they could get it out of there.
They spent months cutting the pieces down to size so that they could analyze materials, and so that they'd be small enough to be loaded onto trucks. . . or, as you put it, "everything in all three buildings was incinerated or crushed." . . "other than dust .. " What?
"Some 185101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from Ground Zero" - "nothing but dust?" And yes, many use that as a basis for conspiracy - my God, they're destroying the evidence - hey, it was already dust, you say?
Yes, I've posted, on this page some of the quotes from a couple of the fire chiefs, about WTC 7.
And of course, I - like millions others, probably billions, have carefully watched the buildings fall. And looked at the pictures, and videos of the very easy to see and understand structural failures.
Do you realize that you are simply shooting from the hip, making up whatever you want to say, as you go along?
If you want to go back and look at the first photos of the trade center, with Bush standing next to the debris, you will notice beams that have been cut, not snapped, and this was long before any effort to get the stuff out of there. If analysis was actually carried out, then surely it would have been part of a report that thermite was found. Or that stuff in the basement burned for months. Wonder what stuff that was. Surely. Right?
As far as everything being dust, I meant the contents of the buildings, obviously.
Several human beings escaped the buildings, for parity, before the buildings collapsed, or was that not in the reports you read.
Only slanted information - which of course isn't actually slanted.
Speaking of slanted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySHgiUxnLC0&feature=player_embedded
Bonus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1wQ2BJsgx0&feature=related
All of those slanted folks . . .
LOL
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/PentWitnesses.xls
Before anyone calls me a nut job, I challenge you to watch 2 films; "911 Ripple Effect," and "911 Press for Truth." Check the high-resolution photographs taken of the Pentagon on that fateful day on the Web. The wall & the roof of the Pentagon didn't collapse for at least 30 mins. The only damage to the bldg for the first 30 mins was a 16ft dia hole at ground level. The photos & the video in the above referenced films show no debris from a 100 ton 757 jetliner in front of the bldg or on the lawn, not even any burn marks.
Our govt has refused to show us any video from the numerous cameras surrounding the Pentagon of a 757 airliner impacting the bldg.
WTC 7 came down as if by controlled demolition & it wasn't even hit by a plane. There is an object, a pod, attached to the bottom right fuselage of the 2nd plane that hit the twin towers, something that shouldn't exist on a commercial jetliner. And the 2nd plane that came in & hit the WTC bldg didn't have the colors of a commercial jetliner. It had a dull gray color to it.
RSN with its limited amount of characters doesn't allow me to list all of the evidence that debunks the official story.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/UW/911-flight77-debris.jpg
Most of the intact pieces broke off as one wing of the plane hit the ground - most of the rest of the aluminum body melted from the high speed impact. Some of the structure and the landing gear continued into the building - pictures everywhere, not of the tiny bits and pieces of our dear friends who got pulverized, but at least their DNA got analyzed and identified.
The fact that conspiracy folks leave out so much information, like the silly hundreds of witnesses driving down the freeway watching the AA commercial jet fly into the building, is simply a testament to conspirators.
It was the landing gear that punched the hole - the gear was still inside the belly of the jet.
And i have no interest in listing all of the evidence, that debunks the official conspiracy quacks.
You claim that the vast majority of the this alleged plane, wings, engines, and tail section and the fuselage all melted away into nothing because of the high speed impact. There is absolute no burn marks or indication of melted metal marking the ground in front of the hole that was initially created. It's all green.
There is no way in hell that a whole 100 ton 757 jetliner would have melted away into nothingness, or even into small itty bitty pieces. What hit the Pentagon was no 757 jetliner. It was a missile, perhaps a drone. One of the worst airplane crashes that took place in the history of airplane crashes was the Canary island crash of two 747s, and there were huge chunks of debris everywhere, very large chunks.
9/11 was purely an inside job by the Bush administration and that's the truth.
And to think how smart Bush must have been to pull this all off and to coordinate it with Bin Laden - amazing.
Without any evidence I lean to believe the folks who watched the damn jet fly over their head into the Pentagon. It was bright blue day.
This should be where the right engine hit the facade.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/docs/blue6.jpg
Pulling back - you can see the location is right about where the right engine would have been. Jet came in at an angle, right wing was up, left was down - just as witness and evidence on the ground seems to provide for.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/docs/fig_5_12.jpg
Here's a pretty good site - but, you have to read it, too - not just the conspiracy stuff.
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html
The only damage to the Pentagon for 30 mins before the wall & the roof collapsed was the 16ft dia hole. The 2 8ft dia solid titanium engines are no where to be seen on the front lawn, nowhere, & they wouldn't have disintegrated into thin air as you would like us to believe!
What also amazes me is the alleged crash of one of the hijacked planes in Pennsylvania, the one in which the passengers to overpower these so-called hijackers. Just like the Pentagon, there's no debris on the ground from a 757 jetliner, just a hole in the ground with lots of itty bity pieces. No engines, no fuselage, no wings, & no tail section whatsoever.
In all seriousness, are you one of those people that are being paid by our wonderful govt to join chat rooms & deceive & confuse that participate, as Popular Mechanics must have been paid when they came up with wild & crazy explanations about the impossible but unique serendipitous coincidences & events that took place on Sept 11th, 2001, like for the first in history that, not only one, but three huge steel structured bldgs collapsed as a result of fire.
No one saw a missile.
And no - they found plenty of pieces - big pieces - and body parts. Who tells you this crap.
As far as witnesses go, there were witnesses who claimed to have seen a missile, not a plane. And eye witnesses in many cases can not be relied upon, and I have no idea who these alleged so-called witnesses were that you claim gave testimony.
The physical and visual evidence of the front lawn of the Pentagon and the initial damage to the building for the first 30 minutes completely contradict the official BS story put out by the Bush administration. If the government wants us to believe that a 757 hit the Pentagon then show us all the videos from all those cameras that were running that day, but they won't. They even absconded with the cameras from private convenience stores that fronted the Pentagon in order to hide the truth.
In all seriousness, how much are you paid by the powers to be in our government to hang out in this chat room to confuse and deceive its readers?
"Members of Congress who toured the site Thursday said rescue officials reported that much of the fuselage of the hijacked airplane remains intact in the ruins."
Ever wonder why Congress didn't call for an investigation into these crazy and dangerous conspiracy theories?
Because they have no doubt.
Ref: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/sept01/2001-09-14-pentagon-usat.htm
He's not right and neither are you. So now we seem to have two people paid by our government to get on these chatrooms and hide the truth by obfuscating the facts. There are no photos or videos taken that day showing bodies or body part, not in front of the Pentagon or in that phony crash in Pennsylvania.
You claim that the plane melted into thin air which, like skyscrapers collapsing at free-fall speed vertically right into their footprints as a result of fire, this has never happened in the history of airplane crashes.
I kind of feel sorry for people like you who know the truth, but who continue to try to confuse and deceive people in believing otherwise.
Over two million people are now dead because of 9/11, innocent people, men, women, and children, all because of a false-flag event perpetrated by the Bush administration to justify multiple illegal wars of aggression for world empire, and then there are people like you who try to protect these criminals.
It just amazes me.
FYI--I believe that Bush should face war criminal charges for some of his actions during his administration. I am greatly disgusted by the Iraq invasion--and greatly saddened that so many were killed and mangled by my country, in my name, and on my nickel.
And the few frames that our wonderful government decided to share with the American public showed nothing of a 757 hitting the building. Unless there were a lot of frames missing between the very first and the very last, and there weren't, then what hit the building was not a 757 jetliner.
Without any physical evidence in the form of photos and/or videos, you have absolutely no evidence to verify the official story.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/index.html
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever in any of these pictures that indicate a 757 jetliner was the culprit that impacted the Pentagon. You conveniently left out the other things I pointed out in my original comment, and you conveniently left out the fact that our government refuses to show any pictures or film taken that fateful morning from the numerous cameras that were attached to the roof of the building and the cameras on the ground, and why, very shortly after whatever impacted the Pentagon, within only a few minutes of the attack, did the FBI all of a sudden show up at various convenience stores that surround the Pentagon and abscond with all of their security cameras.
There is absolutely no physical evidence whatsoever, I mean the kind that you can see and study, not the hearsay by our government and people who appear to be on these chat rooms who are specifically here to represent the govt's official view, to confuse and deceive its readers, just like Popular Mechanics did shortly after people began to realize that the evidence didn't match the official govt story.
Israelis, israelis, israelis, israel, israel, israel.
Oops! I must be an anti-semite.
Without Israel "help" US would not attack Iraq.
Name one instance - in last 40 years when USA did anything Israel did NOT approve of.
At the top levels of course ALL western governments work together, against their own people. Yet it was israeli agents who seemed to occupy center stage on 9/11, and it seems israel can do no wrong, no matter how many international laws and human rights they violate. They also practice a form of organized child abuse (male genital mutilation) like the USA. That probably explains a lot about both countries. See my web site in my profile.
More evidence Israel did 911
And the article/book about Saudis - how convenient when Palestinians seek UN vote (and Arabs support them).
It is reflection on poor educational US system? NO wonder 80% plus Americans were behind Bush to attack Iraq. If NYT say so ...
Two-thirds of those surveyed (66%) say they believe "SADDAM Hussein HELPED the terrorists in the September 11 attacks."
USraeli media do great BRAINWASH on US public than and now.
Quoting
Sure, I am with you but then:
[quote name="Activista"]It is painful to read the conspiracy theories re 911 above.
I know it is painful. But the truth can be very painful. It lays bare all that we seek to deny. I am reminded of the book "Incognito" by neuroscientist Dave Eagleman. Our conscious awareness is a very small part of our being. The less aware you are the less open you are to disturbing information. Question the veracity of all information and your own deeply held belief. Denial is a very powerful force that rapidly facilitates our potential demise.
The agreement was set. Cheap oil for our protection. If radical Islam was preferred by their leadership to keep the masses in line, then so be it.
Many years later and the coziness is still in effect. Now we can even count on them to manufacture a cataclysmic event (see P.N.A.C.) that will rally the masses in a patriotic frenzy to support any bogeyman that the Bush regime claims is the enemy. Realpolitic at its crazed best.
9/11: Official Story of How They Got Here and Why They Did It ...
"bin Laden chose earliest operatives for plan (Saudi nationals and Yemenis) ... Saudis could get into US easier due to “Saudi rules” (where Saudi students are allowed to enter the US with only cursory or no background checks. Some flight schools issue paperwork that allows students to obtain visas at US embassies or consulates)."
By leaving most of the nation and world in the dark, we have now become an unsettled, distrustful lot, knowing that politicians will do most anything for gain. Thus we need to know if this was the case with the attacks and their planning.
WHO SET THE THERMITE CHARGES THAT BLEW 2 SKYSCRAPERS INTO DUST, along with 3,000 human beings, furniture, and computers?! NOT TO MENTION WTC7!
HOW DID A 757 (with a wingspan the length of a football field) TUCK IN ITS WINGS AND POKE ITSELF INTO A 16' WIDE HOLE IN THE PENTAGON, WITHOUT DAMAGING A SINGLE WINDOW ON THE ADJACENT OUTSIDE WALLS, AND WITHOUT LEAVING AN ENGINE OR ONE PIECE OF THE FUSILAGE OR WINGS ON THE GROUND?!
AND how could they pull out bodies of Pentagon employees, but NO ONE FROM THE PLANES?
Oh! AND how did a jerk who couldn't fly a Cessna make a 180 degree turn in a 757 (going how fast?) and fly it into the Pentagon. (Really????) And why did he make a 180 degree turn anyway? Instead of just flying it directly into the Pentagon??? (HINT: Rumsfeld's office was on that side)
HOW DID AN AIRPLANE (in Pennsylvania) DROP OUT OF THE SKY AND BURY ITSELF IN A SELF-MADE CRATER -- OF DIRT - and COVER ITSELF UP?! (hint: the wreckage of this 'crash' was STREWN AROUND IN A 5 MILE RADIUS) Even Lockerbee's explosion in the sky left a fusilage on the ground in Scotland!
NEVER, NEVER look where they are pointing! Always look where they don't want you to look: This time at the White House AND George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Pearle, Gen. Richard Meyers, et al!
Another lasting glance at the PNAC'ers who pushed an attack on Iraq would be in order, too.
3,000 human beings slaughtered just to have an excuse to attack Afghanistan (TRANS-AFGHAN PIPELINE), and IRAQ.
NOW 1 MILLION IRAQIS AND AFGHANIS HAVE BEEN SLAUGHTERED... FOR PROFIT.
http://www.911myths.com/html/cheney_in_charge_of_norad.html
Really -- Well following the Iraq invasion of Iraq during the Carter term, estimates are that 1 million to 1 1.5 million died.
Large numbers in Afghanistan died during the Imperialist Soviet invasion which also began during the Carter Years.
As tragic as it is, in Iraq and in Afghanistan (I completely support the effort to return Afghanistan back to it's own) - 1 million have not died from US/Allied causes during this 2002 period forward.
It's easy for people like you to get on these chatrooms & rant on & on & make flat out statements that they can't back up. In 2008, John Hopkins Institute, a non-partisan, non-biased, institution did a scientific survey to determine how many people had died in Iraq alone as a result of the illegal invasion & occupation of Iraq by the United States.
In 2008, they estimated the number of dead, & I'm talking about innocent people, men, women, & children, to be about 1400 people, & that doesn't include the number of people that we made homeless. That number, at the time, was more than 4 million people.
So, when you make statements in this chatroom, back them up with evidence that can be verified. Stop insulting people & stop making innuendos towards people you don't agree with.
Now - understanding that in the news media, "blood leads." We all know that following the surge, that deaths very dramatically fell. Someone did a graph showing that as deaths fell, the number of journalists there fell even faster. But we know that each and every major act (and most were by the radical terrorists bombing each other - not us) - made the news - big time.
Sep't 16, 2006 - CBS runs a spot, " Deadliest attack of Iraq War. - In the single worst act of terrorism since the fall of Saddam Hussein, a car full of explosives blasted police and army recruits outside a hospital, killing at least 115 . "
There were a couple of such attacks, in which I believe closer to 200 people died.
So - - how do we get from that to 491 civilians dying each and every day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year?
Towards the end of the Clinton years, Sec. Albright said that 500,000 children had died in Iraq, as a result of the sanctions;addin g that "it was worth the cost."
Some 2 mil people had already died at Saddam's hand, since he became Pres in the '70's, invaded Iran (w/Carter's nod-that we would not interfere) & his numerous genocides of his own people.
The US may have done it wrong-but the world was too willing to let this madman continue with his reign of terror.
That idiotic look on Bush's face when he was told of the WTC events while he was reading the little Goat book, was just his normal response to anything requiring his attention. Have you all forgotten?
We've all been played.
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