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David Corn writes: "The Obama Hate Machine is never slowed by the absurdities it manufactures. It just keeps spewing crap. The accusations don't have to be proved. The game plan is obvious: Even if he sidesteps the individual charges, Obama will somehow be dirtied by the ceaseless flow of mud. Meanwhile, the OHM professionals will reap profits, as they feed the irrational paranoia of their believe-anything anti-Obama audience."

Video image from an interview by Stuart Schulzke of Fora.tv with American political analyist David Corn, 12/18/09. (image: Fora.tv)
Video image from an interview by Stuart Schulzke of Fora.tv with American political analyist David Corn, 12/18/09. (image: Fora.tv)

 

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-9 # James Marcus 2010-12-31 09:45
No Hate Machine needed.
President Obama is Commander of our Armed Forces, now conducting an unprovoked, BY THE PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ, war of aggression against their nations. He is, in this capacity, from his first day in Office, responsible for every death, innocent and militant. Ours and theirs. Is there anything more needed?
Ok; he also gave away the US treasury to his Banksta Friends.
End of need for Hate Machine.
Yes, he originated neither, but is responsible for implementing both.
 
 
+3 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-01 18:17
The problem we're having James, is that in our extremely valid reasons for despising Obama, we are being lumped in with the Obama Hate Machine, and this is unfortunate. Hence, to critisize Obama is to be equated with being trolls and DINO's. But you and Harold Mencher reveal the truth that Obama is in fact a betrayer and by his own behaviors actually empowers the OHM. For us to be equated with teabaggers is stupidity, just as it is to equate Obama with being remotely progressive, remotely liberal or remotely appropriate to the needs of the people.
 
 
+6 # Harold R. Mencher 2010-12-31 10:34
James, I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, your list is somewhat anemic. It covers some major betrayals by Obama & the Dems. You have to add them in the pot as well. I have numerous times shown a long list of Obama betrayals that continue up till today. Besides what you mentioned in terms of the illegal wars of aggression for U.S. world empire & the TARP Bill that Obama fully supported without any conditions, rules, regulations, or any oversight, we also have the following:

o Obama & the Dems have failed to repeal any of Bush's heinous Bills such as the Patriot Act, the Mil Commissions Act, or the FISA Bill, just for starters, the very Bills that have completely destroyed our Constitution & our Bill of Rights. What's worse is that they've embraced them all.

o Obama has failed to nullify any of Bush's EO's & SSs, & has added some of his own.

o He maintains Bush's unlawful practices of torture, indefinite detention, extrajudicial assassinations, & extraordinary renditions, even against U.S. citizens.

Due to lack of space, I've only been able to add 3 more to a very long list, and there is so much more.
 
 
+3 # Steve S 2010-12-31 19:21
Obama made a lot of promises that he wished to pursue that just weren't possible without cooperation of the Republicans in Congress. In spite of Republican obstruction, he delivered on some of them. Because of Republican obstruction, he failed to deliver on a lot of them.

The Patriot Act is bad news, but the right wing is just too strong to let it go away.

FISA is actually a good thing -- it restrains secret abuses of power, rather than enabling them. Bush got away with some of his worst abuses by bypassing FISA; the fault was that he wasn't impeached for violating that law, not because the law was bad.

Obama has done some disappointing things in the way of executive orders, failure to stop abuses of detention and prosecution, and so forth. However, his failure to shut down Guantanamo is partly because the Republicans slipped in a "Ha ha you can't spend money to shut down Guantanamo" amendment into a bill that Obama couldn't afford to veto.

As for the hate machine, it's accusing Obama of pretty much everything except failure to be liberal enough.
 
 
-2 # Harold R. Mencher 2010-12-31 20:08
I have to disagree with you on many points. When Bush left office, he left the U.S. & its people right on the edge of a precipice & the only chance we had to avoid the catastrophe that we're experiencing right now was Obama doing a complete about face & move us back from the edge.

The Repubs made it very clear that they were going to do whatever it took to block any progress by Obama. They made it very clear that they were out to destroy Obama & the Dems as political entities.

Bush steamrolled over the Dems & publicly & loudly threatened them with the nuclear option, the nullification of the filibuster when he thought that they would become a threat to his agenda, & the Dems completely capitulated. Instead of compromising with the Repubs, Obama should've implemented the nuclear option right away & steamrolled over the Repubs as Bush did to them. No compromise, period, but he was too weak to implement it.

As far as the Patriot Act is concerned, not only has Obama not made any attempt to reduce its power or repeal it altogether, he & his DOJ & the FBI have fully embraced it.

I will continue with the FISA Bill in my next posting.
 
 
+1 # Harold R. Mencher 2010-12-31 20:22
A FISA Bill already existed even before Bush stole the presidency in 2000, and that was a good Bill as you said. But, when Bush got caught with his pants down illegally spying on American citizens without a proper warrant, he pressured the Democrats in supporting an upgrade to the Bill which not only gave him and anyone else who broke the law complete immunity from prosecution and actually made it easier for his admin to spy on U.S. citizens without a warrant. It was no longer the Bill that you described.

I noticed that you quickly ran over the fact that Obama hasn't nullified not one of Bush's EOs or SSs.

The Mil Commissions Act gave Bush and his co-partners crime complete immunity against his crimes of torture and prisoner abuse, and almost legalized torture.

Obama has continued Bush's criminal activities in almost every way when it comes to gross violations of international law & our Constitution & our Bill of Rights.

As far as Gitmo is concerned, it's the House that appropriates money for govt operations, not the Senate, & no such thing exists as a filibuster in the House.

I need one more posting here.
 
 
+2 # Harold R. Mencher 2010-12-31 20:39
Virtually every member of Obama's hand-picked cabinet, with some very rare exceptions, reflect either the Bush agenda in terms of foreign policy or the Clinton agenda in terms of financial policy, the very people that put us in this mess in the first place, people that do not reflect the change that was promised us by candidate Obama.

Obama & his DOJ, headed up by his "Roberto Gonzales," have not only refused to investigate Bush & Cheney's war crimes & crimes against humanity as well as their treason against the American people, Obama has done everything in his power to protect the Bush admin from the very victims of their crimes by using the states secret act & national security as Bush did & pressuring foreign countries, like Spain, from carrying out their own investigations & prosecutions of these crimes.

In terms of what Obama and his DOJ are doing as far as Assange is concerned & how they've treated Private Manning who has yet to be charged with any crime. I give you the following URL to investigate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Yee

This is what Bush did to a U.S. citizen for complaining about treatment of Gitmo detainees.
 
 
0 # AML 2011-01-01 16:15
It was up to Obama to travel to the states where the GOP and Blue Dogs did not represent the majority, and use his unique talents to rouse the populace to pitchfork level to force their Congressmen to represent the people.
Instead, it was like watching a boxer fight with gloves of cotton candy.
 
 
+1 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-01 18:22
I completely disagree Steve S because he has not explained himself to those who elected him very well at all. Time and again he has reversed course without clearly stating why to the people. More over, his cabinet posts are filled with people who advocate against our interests constantly and in fact come from that portion of the private sector that screwed us. He has not exercised the power of executive order in appreciable ways and has not taken the bully pulpit. Sorry. Ineptness cannot be blamed on the Republicans who have the only virtue of being extremely worse. I just wish we'd try "good" for a change.
 
 
+6 # AML 2010-12-31 10:42
The trouble with the OHM is that is reflects on Congressional and state elections. Personally, i've given up on Obama, but will work to get more progressives into office who may shame or pressure him into doing the right thing.

We're in for a s%&*storm in 2012; any ideas?
 
 
+5 # Harold R. Mencher 2010-12-31 11:32
Quoting
The trouble with the OHM is that is reflects on Congressional and state elections. Personally, i've given up on Obama, but will work to get more progressives into office who may shame or pressure him into doing the right thing.

We're in for a s%&*storm in 2012; any ideas?


Yes, I have a great idea. Even if it's a complete waste of time and energy, find someone like Congressman Kucinich, who looks like he might lose his job as Congressman in Ohio when the Republican controlled state legislature deletes his district from the map, or perhaps Congressman Alan Grayson, who has lost his lob, or Senator Sanders, to run against Obama in the presidential primaries in 2012. What can we lose? Obama might be forced to shift his stance to the left in order to win the primaries with a strong liberal challenger. And, if the challenger wins, then what have we lost? Without a challenger, Obama will not change his stance.

Another possible challenger, if you want a female to run against him, might be Congresswoman Donna Edwards. She's female, Afro-American, & a liberal. I believe that she could get strong support from the minority vote.
 
 
+2 # DaveW. 2010-12-31 16:29
Harold, Your zeal is a good thing but Kucinich, really? He doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning. He's been tarred with the dreaded "Socialist" label so often its ruined any future political career for him. It's a shame too because he is a good man and would propel the country in positive ways. Grayson or Sanders, I believe, would be more "electable" choices. I don't know much about Edwards.
 
 
+1 # Harold R. Mencher 2010-12-31 18:19
Quoting
Harold, Your zeal is a good thing but Kucinich, really? He doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning. He's been tarred with the dreaded "Socialist" label so often its ruined any future political career for him.


I never said that Kucinich had any chance of winning, although I wish that he did. I'm not naive. I've been around the block too many times to know the whims of the typical U.S. voter. When it comes to voting for lower-echelon political offices, they're not too picky about physical stature or how a politician comes across, but, unfortunately, when it comes to voting for a presidential candidate, people are very picky. The candidate has to have certain physical characteristics & a certain way of presenting themselves, & Kucinich is missing those important characteristics even though he says the right things.

If I could bring him back to life, the best candidate that I'd like to see running against Obama would be fmr Sen Paul Wellstone of MN. Unfortunately, his Dem successor, Sen Al Franken, comes in a very poor 2nd. To me, in terms of capitulating to the Repubs, Al Franken has done it way too many times.
 
 
+3 # Suavane 2011-01-01 13:09
"Another possible challenger, if you want a female to run against him (Pres. Obama), might be Congresswoman Donna Edwards. She's female, Afro-American, & a liberal. I believe that she could get strong support from the minority vote."

The Minority vote alone, cannot elect Rep. Edwards. In 2012 you'll have some choices. If you choose not to vote at all, then you will likely serve the interests of the Far Right agenda.

Perhaps you'd feel more comfortable with them in charge than you do with a consensus builder who's succeeding in making many of the promised changes he campaigned for.
 
 
0 # Harold R. Mencher 2011-01-01 18:13
I guess you didn't bother reading my long list of obvious Obama betrayals under this article. Actually, I have a better choice than Donna Edwards running against Obama in 2012. I much prefer Cynthia McKinney. She's much stronger than Donna Edwards.

Obama is not a consensus builder. His agenda is to pass any Bill that, on the surface, appears to be fulfilling his promises, but, deep down, are as full of holes as Swiss cheese. Included in my charge against Obama that his hand-picked cabinet reflected both the Bush admin in terms of foreign policy & the Clinton admin in terms of financial policy, which is no change, his hand-picked members of both his Health Care Commission and his Deficit Commission reflected more the corporate interests than that of the American people.

You also have conveniently forgotten the bloodbath that took place on Nov 2nd of 2010 which I had nothing to do with. His voting base doesn't think like you, & that's reality. If Obama maintains the path that he's on of no change which, with a House so filled with Repubs, is a strong certainty, what happened on Nov 2nd, 2010, will seem like nose bleed come Nov of 2012.
 
 
+3 # AML 2011-01-01 16:21
I've seen Edwards, and she's good. Kucinich could do well, but needs a makeover. But either one is cool under fire, and honest. If the plan were to run another primary candidate and watch the polls like a hawk, I don't see the waste of time, Harold. Indeed, what have we got to lose?
The timing would be right if the extreme right runs a candidate.
 
 
+2 # Suavane 2011-01-01 12:57
Yeah! Work to elect more progressive candidates across the country. They will work with the President to enact a more progressive agenda. Last, work like the dickens to offset the lies coming from the Obama Hater's Industrial Complex!
 
 
+15 # Glen Gillett 2010-12-31 10:57
Altho' the stupidity of the american voter never cease to amaze me,I believe that in the long run they will be able to decipher thetruth and reelect Mr. Obama. We are spoiled and impatient, and considering what he inherited in 2009, he should be commended. What ever comes out of the drug addled mind of Limbaugh and his ilk can be so easily discredited.
 
 
+1 # Suavane 2011-01-01 13:14
Well said, Glen!

I hope you are right about your prediction and the"spoiled and impatient" amongst us will by 2012, see the light.
 
 
+2 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-01 18:27
Glen, how many compromises, give aways and unexplained and inexplicable reversals will it take to convince you that Obama is a Democrat in name only who merely slows but does not divert the downward spiral of this nation?
 
 
+1 # wfalco 2011-01-02 10:33
[quote name="Glen Gillett"]Altho' the stupidity of the american voter never cease to amaze me,I believe that in the long run they will be able to decipher thetruth and reelect Mr. Obama.
I agree, Glen. Many in these liberal sites always want to criticize the President to no end, failing to realize probably only 20%, at best, agree with our leftist agenda. Obama is what we call in football, a grinder. He keeps plugging along with some incremental changes that have focused on the public good. He can win in 2012 and to believe in a strong progressive challenge from the likes of a Feingold or Kucinich(both very worthy iberals) is only a set up for defeat. I feel we need to keep grinding away with him. The change can happen this way, albeit a bit slow for some of us. But I am a progressive radical. Of course I would prefer a social agenda that parallels Sweden in its scope. But I understand we exist in the land of the "pull yourself up from your own boot straps" philosophy. Obama is my only choice, particularly since he is the only one capable of getting out the vote of the youth and minorities. Would Kucinich attract these voters?
 
 
0 # wfalco 2011-01-02 17:39
I meant to say "pragmatic" radical, not "progressive". In the social strata of my existence there is mostly moderate to right wing people. I really don't understand how the agenda I prefer (a European style social democracy) could ever fly in this land of the "free."
 
 
+2 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-02 22:26
More the pity for you wfalco and Glen. Obama will not win. I am a radical progressive, and though you will doubt it, a pragmatist as well. I knew his campaign promises were unrealistic in the aggregate. But as I've said many times, he was always 3 decisions away from heroic immortality and 1 away from damnation, and this Neville Chamberlin sold the farm right out from under us. Now you might see this as extreme, but the best he has to promise now, should he win, which he won't, is a restoration to an economy that was already failing in the first place and had been for over 30 years. His cabinet appointees mirror the real Obama, and Blue Dog Democrat that he is, he is no liberal, progressive or champion of what is in the best interests of the people. What I expected was vastly restrained from my personal preferences and I was not easily disuaded from him. In the end though, all he's really done is slow the descent down that slope the bottom of which is going to be pathetic and shaming. Sorry. Sorry that he's been a gift to the right and not to those who elected him.
 
 
+2 # wfalco 2011-01-03 07:50
[quote name="Daniel Fletcher"]More the pity for you wfalco and Glen. Obama will not win. I am a radical progressive, and though you will doubt it, a pragmatist as well.
I think he will win Daniel if he maintains the 48% or so overall popularity he has maintained.I completely agree with your views, however,I guess I have been beaten down by my perception of what I see as apathy and ignorance in our citizenry. The middle and working class masses are being played for fools, by design. They have been effectively propagandized to think that progressive policies are socialistic. So I believe we will always be stuck with a corporatist Democrat who, at best, will attempt incremental change and regulations necessary to reign in the corporatists at least a bit. Sorry, but a true blue firebrand like Kucinich will never win.Also don't under rate Obama's popularity with African-Americans and the youth (if these two come out to vote again-he will win.)
 
 
+1 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-03 15:17
wfalco, it is impossible to dismiss your argument. Politics is fueled by many things, and the desire for truth is rarely, rarely a part of it. The effectively propgandized masses are the real fault in the equation. Do we blame people for successfuily being brainwashed? I do. I would never yield on the proposition that if Obama wins, we're every bit as damned in the end as if the Rethugliecons won. In fact, as long as the people elect to be made stupid as opposed to getting off their asses and going to a library and reading AT LEAST half as much as they watch TV...Dancing With The Stars and crap like that, they will doom themselves to their very own perfidity and ignorance. I'm not saying people are stupid because they disagree with me wfalco. I am saying that people who persist in elective stupidity, where every tenet of their belief can not only be dismantled, but demolished with ease, end up with the hellish governance they've given themselves.
I believe they/we all deserve better anyway, and like I say, if Obama runs, I will vote straight Rethugliecon in protest because I believe that we may have to bottom out in order to wake up.
 
 
+11 # LeeBlack 2010-12-31 11:25
t's human nature. When we dislike someone we tend to believe every nasty thing we hear and repeat it. Those repetitions lead to a perception of 'truth'. The instigation of these titillating stories are done by people who - 1) want an audience; 2) see a political advantage; 3) have an ideological belief that every benefit of the New Deal must be reversed.

Hopefully people will begin to question what is basically gossip and look for facts.
 
 
+8 # W.D. Turner 2010-12-31 12:40
What is it that makes so many people completely blind to expert and verifiable reports of Truth staring them in the face??? ....and so eager to be in that sordid mental condition???

How can anyone with a brain above room temperature not understand that our dear country was taken over lock, stock and barrel by $$$ MONEY and POWER of the Fourth Reich wings of the MIC Empire which beyond any reasonable doubt orchestrated the events of 9-11, and by their Amairka Inc. $$$ payola political base, and by their brain-washed / brain-dead citizen political base, .....via that Fascist, Coalition Empire's in-common, filthy and filthy-rich, talking head prostitutes speaking from an expertly built, Empire owned, media machine that hoses our country with literally expert, high-tech, and profoundly lying Psy Ops brain-washing propaganda. That pretty much wraps up the 70 year history of the MIC Empire / Fourth Reich / Amairka Inc. that Dwight Eisenhower and countless others have warned us about in countless irrefutable volumes of proof that such claims are indeed True. It's summed up quite well and rather briefly at:
http://www.fightthereich.net/MICspendingLies1.html
 
 
-3 # juripari 2011-01-01 19:59
i went to that site, it said alot of things, but when you take out the deranged attitude of the site, the is little of meaning. like this post of yours, wouldnt it have been easier to just say that eisenhower warned us of the mic? its like you have written a fiften page essay and only about half a paragraph mattered. do like beck does, give facts. beck as a team of lawyers and researchers checking out every fact he cites or shows. beck says specific things about specific people and if he was lying, don't think atleast one of these people would sue him? soros, ok, lets call him by his real name DARTH SOROS, SITH LORD, really is a spooky dude. if what you say is true, then DARTH SOROS, SITH LORD is the logical, reasonable, likely, of highest probability, odds are, bet your last dollar, the leader of this mic which you talked of. that link you posted may have named DARTH SOROS, SITH LORD as the leader, but there so much useless information that its like a single pea in the bottom of a five gallon bucket, mostly empty space for a litte bit of real infomation. just how many times can you say "brain-washing" or "propaganda" in a paragraph before you seem a little silly?
 
 
+1 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-01 23:57
juripari, you are exceedingly guilty of the very things you charge W.D. Turner with. You've invalidated yourself extensively. and "DARTH SOROS, SITH LORD"? Do you even take yourself seriously? I mean really. Are you kidding us, yourself or W.D. Turner. I can't tell to be honest about it.
 
 
+2 # Montana 2010-12-31 12:56
Obama Administration does not need a Hate Machine. The damage to the base is real, and caused by their own actions and in-action. For example, continuing the policy of torture and rendition---Constitutional Violations. Failing to prosecute Blackwater, the Banksters, the officials at BP. Continuing an illegal war, despite campaign promises. Passing legislation that will require all American citizens to purchase from private companies a product they can not afford (health care insurance). Failing to put forward legislation to rectify Citizen United decision (giving our political system and voting to the highest bidder---including foreign interests). Offering tax cuts to the rich (a la' Bush) in a time of two wars, and mounting deficits----- when he did not have to do so. And there is so much more.

Obama is no longer my leader. Obama is the designated leader of the One Party oligarchy. True progressives, enlighted t-party people, and workers, will no longer support this obscene system. V
 
 
-1 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-01 18:30
Quoting
Obama Administration does not need a Hate Machine. The damage to the base is real, and caused by their own actions and in-action. For example, continuing the policy of torture and rendition---Constitutional Violations. Failing to prosecute Blackwater, the Banksters, the officials at BP. Continuing an illegal war, despite campaign promises. Passing legislation that will require all American citizens to purchase from private companies a product they can not afford (health care insurance). Failing to put forward legislation to rectify Citizen United decision (giving our political system and voting to the highest bidder---including foreign interests). Offering tax cuts to the rich (a la' Bush) in a time of two wars, and mounting deficits----- when he did not have to do so. And there is so much more.
Obama is no longer my leader. Obama is the designated leader of the One Party oligarchy. True progressives, enlightened t-party people, and workers, will no longer support this obscene system. V

I don't think the Democratic rank and file get it yet...that Obama's days are numbered, but they are. What he could do is accept this and make a hard left now.
 
 
+1 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-02 00:01
Geez, thumbs down already! I guess the truth is less palatable to some than others. We can do better than Obama and if we don't, it won't matter in the long run who occupies the White House. Is this a radical sentiment, or a realistic one? Well, history will tell and it will speak for itself. Of course, once we're a bannana republic we can all say what we want and the bottom 98% will still be peasants no matter what they call themselves, democrat or republican.
 
 
+2 # Harold R. Mencher 2010-12-31 13:21
You people who don't like what I say & who have given me neg points, it doesn't bother me. I'm not a Tea Partier, nor am I a Repub. If there were truly a hate machine, by definition, it would be one that spews pure propaganda & lies, & I don't lie. I list facts.

What happened on Nov 2nd, 2010, was no fairy tale, no illusion. It was reality hitting you right in the face. It wasn't just because of the right-wing hate machine. It was, more importantly, because many fmr Obama supporters stayed home (like fools) because Obama did in fact betray them & me & you.

If you continue to stick your heads in the sand like Ostriches, then so be it & watch what happens in Nov of 2012. It will make what happened on Nov 2nd look like a tea party, excuse my play on words here.

If Obama had fulfilled the promises he made as candidate Obama instead of compromise & almost total capitulation to the Repubs, the House would still be controlled by the Dems, & the Senate would probably have not lost any Dem Senators.

Unless you unstick your heads from the sand & realize that Obama isn't what he claims to be, the Congressional Dems will be massacred in 2012.
 
 
+2 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-01 18:32
Keep this post Harold so you can re-run it right after 11/2012.
 
 
+7 # enrique 2010-12-31 15:38
I believe you don't mean the Obama Hate Machine, what you mean is the Hate Obama machine. You confuse where clarity is most critical.
 
 
+4 # Jayne Milner 2010-12-31 17:38
Well I voted for Obama, volunteered for his campaign and donated what money I could to help get him elected. I realize that many of Obama's problems are left-overs from the ridiculous Bush charade. I also know the the hate Obama crowd is a bunch of modern day nazi's who must be opposed. The problem with Obama is that he is so immature, naive and fickle that he has back-stabbed his strongest supporters. When people such as myself, who put so much into getting him elected and had high hopes, now no longer trust the guy and feel betrayed you know something major is wrong. Obama is in big trouble because he faces the described right-wing hate machine but has fewer allies because he betrayed the very people who would have defended him. I say go with someone like Kucinich in the primary. He is honest, trustworthy and has values he would defend to the death. That is the kind of leader we need now. Even if he loses the election the people who voted for him would not have blood on their hands or get back stabbed like we did with Obama.
 
 
-5 # lnason@umassd.edu 2010-12-31 17:41
If there is a "hate Obama machine" out there, it is pretty ineffective since polls consistently show that Obama is liked on a personal level by the vast majority of the electorate. Of course, the majority of the electorate do not approve Obama's major policy initiatives but this is quite a different matter.

Is David Corn trying to justify, in advance, the decline in Democratic Party support by misrepresenting the opposition's motives (which he cannot possibly know in any event)? I don't know a thing about Corn's motives but I can say clearly that he doesn't know a thing about the opposition's motives either.

Lee Nason
New Bedford, Massachusetts
 
 
+1 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-01 18:34
Gee Lee, I personally like Obama. I wouldn't ever make the mistake of voting for him again. Not under any circumstance.
 
 
+6 # genierae 2010-12-31 17:54
These people spewing hate are mentally insane, "they know not what they do", and its ironic that they purport to be Christians who are followers of Jesus, that amazing man who was pure love. Republicans, and their corporate owners, are going to destroy this earth and everything on it, if they are not stopped. Their insanity is like a cancer that is eating away all that's precious. Are we going to let them do it, or are we going to wrest the control of this country away from them? That remains to be seen.
 
 
+2 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-01 18:38
I agree genierae...hate has a party, the Republicans. Their espousal of Christian beliefs is profoundly obscence. The oppressors are themselves oppressed by their own evil as in the end no good can come of any of this, not even for them. It is indeed like a cancer.
 
 
+1 # saltwind 2010-12-31 18:26
David Corn, don't wasteyour "progressive"
words on the Know-Nothing, extreme right-wing fact-challenged politicians and media types. One man controlling the political debate in this country right now: Frank Luntz. Why? Because he has understood what Orwell said in his essay on "Politics and the English Language" that "if you would corrupt poltics, first you have to corrupt the language." Secondly, David, your anger should be at the media. Jon Stewart has it right. He is more critical of the media than the right-wing. They have almost totally abdicated their reponsibility to report facts. And by the way, let's reclaim the language and start calling ourselves "liberals" again. Historically we are reponsible for most of the progress in America. But since Newt Gingrich demonized the word, we have been cowering in our "progressive" corners. "Progressive" is such a generalied wishy-washy term. Kucinich is not the savior, either. He caved to Pelosi on single-payer and to Obama on the public option. My choice is Russ Feingold, leaving the Dems and running on a "We the People" ticket. Got any better ideas, David?
saltwind
 
 
+2 # Harold R. Mencher 2011-01-01 09:38
I just can't put all of the blame on Frank Luntz for his strategy of framing ideas into lies & exaggerations & misconceptions, I have to blame Obama & the Dem leadership even more for not effectively fighting back. Yes, the mainstream news media seems (mnm) to speak the language of the right more often than not, but when a political party strongly controls both houses of Congress & the WH, & they can't get the mnm to express their side of the argument to the American people, then you can't put all the blame on the opposition party & their agents like Fox News. It reflects weakness & paralysis within the Dem Party.

In my opinion, & I'm not even close to being a master of words, Obama & our Dem representatives in Congress are supposed to be experienced politicians & orators. They either don't know how to fight back, or they're afraid to open their mouths to contradict, in the strongest words possible, the garbage & the propaganda that spews out of Frank Luntz's mouth.

And look at what the Obama admin is about to do. They're going to allow Comcast & NBC to merge & they're also going to destroy net neutrality, & Frank Luntz has nothing to do with this.
 
 
+4 # AML 2011-01-01 16:43
Amen, brother. The right has long mastered the art of wordsmithing, and the left needs to take lessons in calling them on it, and using our own vocabulary. They have the Dems scared of mentioning reconciliation, even though the Bush era used it almost exclusively.

We've got to get over the assumption that the right has any intention of fighting fair, or using real facts to back up the spewing of misinformation. We need to demand charts and graphs for every argument, with the numbers from the CBO, not theirs. There is a reason they come up with three page proposals for things like health care. We have allowed them to perpetrate complete fabrication, repeating to cement it in the public mind as fact.
 
 
+3 # JudyinJax 2011-01-01 04:37
what really concerns me is that he doesn't act like he knows what he is doing. Or cares.
 
 
-1 # Frank H 2011-01-01 11:13
Yeah,and how unfair of the "OHM", when, you know, there was NEVER any hatred, attempts to undermine, or call out ANY sitting Republican President in the last 10 years or so. I mean it is JUST so unfair that the left is always so accommodating towards anyone they have ideological differences with. All sarcasm aside, the only reason we keep seeing OLM articles like this one is that the right has finally grown a set and are throwing the same amount of hate into the discourse as the left has been so successful at.
 
 
+2 # AML 2011-01-01 16:47
Why don't you submit a statistic that demonstrates just how many jobs (in the US) that were created as a result of the Bush Tax cuts, from 2001 to 2008. Then maybe we can talk about the suspension of Habeus Corpus, etc.
 
 
0 # Lori 2011-01-01 16:32
Mr. Mencher,

Please name ONE president who has done everything want. And if you can, there will be someone else who says he is a bad president for not following a different personal wish list. President Obama cannot please everyone, and while I would like him to repeal several of Bush's policies, I am adult enough to realize that there may be something going on behind the scenes preventing him from doing so. Our President is not the "be all" and "end all". He cannot do arbitrarily whatever he wants (or whatever YOU want).

That being said, you've completely missed the point of the article! This article was about the UNtruths that have been perpetrated against our President. This article is about fabricated crap, so ridiculous that even my second grader said, "that's impossible, the President can't give New York to the Indians". Sadly, too many adults are too ignorant to realize this themselves!

The OHM is not pointing out what is REAL about Obama, the OHM is all about perpetrating 100% B.S., and watching the citizenry lap it up.
 
 
+2 # Harold R. Mencher 2011-01-01 18:32
You can support Obama all you want. You can state rationalization s & excuses as to why Obama couldn't achieve what his voting base expected of him. As much as I hated & despised George Bush down to his very core, I have to show the man some respect. With the possible exceptions of his failure to privatize Social Security & destroying the entitlements, he accomplished virtually everything else he set out to do with almost full & complete capitulation from the Dems.

To undo the damage perpetrated by Bush, we needed a strong pres that, like Bush, wouldn't take any guff from anyone, & Obama failed in that regard.

The Dems were massacred on Nov 2nd of 2010, & it wasn't my fault, & it wasn't just the independent voters who voted Repub that caused the bloodbath, it was Obama's voting base that felt deeply betrayed & disgusted, whether you agree with them or not, who decided either to vote against the Dems by staying home & not voting at all, or by voting for a 3rd political party, and I'm not talking about the Tea Party.

I can't change reality. With the House now controlled by the Repubs, I don't see anything else come Nov of 2012 but another disaster.
 
 
+1 # forparity 2011-01-02 23:20
It might do well to recall; President Bush consistently spoke out defending the press - not attacking it. To this day, he still refuses to attack others. He respected the right of a free and open press.

Obama does not posses that trait.
 
 
+1 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-03 15:22
Quoting
It might do well to recall; President Bush consistently spoke out defending the press - not attacking it. To this day, he still refuses to attack others. He respected the right of a free and open press.

Obama does not posses that trait.

Oh please! Of course Bush consistently spoke out defending the press...the corporate dominated pro-conservative press. He had no reason to attack a press vastly dominated by right wing ideologues. Why would he?
 
 
-2 # forparity 2011-01-03 17:07
Just a little gut check here.. of the national media - ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, NYTimes, AP Wire, USA Today, LATimes, WaPost, Time and Newsweek Mags, NPR, PBS, SFChron.. and so on.. (OK I left out Fox, National Review, and Weekly Standard) just how many EE's (editors, photographers, journalists, staff op ed writers, research folks.. do you think voted for Bush or McCain?

24 - 30 - 55? Look I don't know - but there is hardly a national name (and staff and support) out there is did not attack conservative policies on a daily basis, and fawing over liberal views.

Can you even imagine any national news outlet - anvhor or correspondent challenging the Democrats on AGW (man-made global lwarming) or challenging the President for suing a very popular immigration bill in AZ, or asking Bill Clinton why he turned his back on HIV/Aids in Africa, or on the DR Congo horrors, or about his role in Blood Diamond?
 
 
+1 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-04 00:19
forparity, they wouldn't challenge him any more than they would Bush, and Obama is not a great leap from Bush in the first place since he has preserved so many of his policies. The media, virtually all of it, is hardly journalistic in the classical sense. It isn't given to questioning the prevailing wisdom which is the heart of real journalism and it died some time back. Our media doesn't really respect the right of a free and open press because it doesn't practice this. The media is clearly a mouthpiece for whom ever is in power. They self censor as well. I can't imagine the media challenging any president any longer. It's too conservative for that.
 
 
+2 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-01 18:50
Lori, the citizens lap it up because Obama and the Dems do nothing about it. They also lap it up because Obama feeds them enough to be doubtful about in the first place.
Harold Mencher isn't asking for the perfect president and I don't know of any progressive objectors to Obama who are. That would be nonesense. Obama is about 3 decisions away from being a great president and until a few weeks ago was 1 away from being the worst we've had second to George Bush. Well, he made the worst and this on top of so many others condemns him. The point of this article covers the right side of the spectrum...Harold covers the left and does so very well.
 
 
0 # Mike K 2011-01-12 16:19
I think almost every one understand that President Obama cannot please everyone, the priblem is that he seems unable to understand that he will NEVER please the Republican leadership or big business/wall street and spends more time and effort trying please them than he does his parties base. Much of what he has done like the Tax Cuts deal help those who don't need help as much if not more than those who most need help.
He keep breaking key campaine promises like the Public option or tax cuts for the rich as if they weren't important. Then treats the Left (his allies) worse than the Right (his implaccable enemies) because they are complaineing about him turning his back on us.
 
 
+2 # MyKisa 2011-01-01 18:20
he fights a "good" war to protect the poppy and rare earth elements...
 
 
+1 # Daniel Fletcher 2011-01-02 00:03
Quoting
he fights a "good" war to protect the poppy and rare earth elements...

...and we all know for whom. It isn't us.
 

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