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Intro: "The stars are aligned for Barack Obama's re-election in November 2012. He won't join Jimmy Carter to be the second Democrat in 120 years to lose a second term. Five things are playing in Obama's favor."

Ralph Nader. (photo: Truth Alliance)
Ralph Nader. (photo: Truth Alliance)

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+24 # Activista 2011-04-28 17:24
Great logical analysis - we will have 4 more years - 0 change - 0 improvement - more wars, more military waste, more poverty, more greed.
Good for Obama, bad for America.
 
 
+3 # jon 2011-04-28 20:58
Quoting
Great logical analysis - we will have 4 more years - 0 change - 0 improvement - more wars, more military waste, more poverty, more greed.
Good for Obama, bad for America.


GROAN!
 
 
+29 # banichi 2011-04-29 03:28
Good summation. This from the guy who on the evening of the 2008 election, after conceding to Obama, was interviewed by Fox News and said, near as I can quote him, that 'Now we will see if Obama will be Uncle Sam for the citizens or Uncle Tom for the corporations.' There was a moment of shocked silence after that in the Fox newsroom, after which the Fox commentator got Nader off the air as quickly as possible.

I had voted for Obama, so I was shocked as well. Though the way Obama has treated the banksters and corpsters since then, it is clear which way he went.

I have no doubt that Ralph's assessment of the field and Obama's chances at this time are precise. I came to much the same conclusion yesterday, but it gives me no joy.
 
 
+4 # ahaywood 2011-04-29 04:04
Activista,
What would you rather have..Republican's setting us up as Hitler did...only the rich are the privy and the rest of us treated like dirt? Or give Obama a chance to follow through with his promises that have been blocked by the Republicans and wall street rich kids? or are you a Republican who is completely blind to the facts? I say give this good man a chance to put the middle class back on the map.
 
 
+15 # moebears 2011-04-29 06:13
ahaywood, This is not a 'good man'. He is no better than Bush. With Bush, you knew what you were getting: a neocon war-monger. Obombya presented himself as the polar opposite, and what did we get? A neocon war-monger. We're still in Iraq. Afg has been escalated, with horrible effect, and Gitmo? Yep, still opened. And in case you haven't noticed, the rich are indeed 'privy' with 'the rest of us treated like dirt'. Me thinks you have the blinders on.
 
 
+4 # Dave W. 2011-04-29 08:35
Activista, "Good for Obama,bad for America." To anyone who calls themselves progressive or liberal,you have to ask yourself a fundamental question. Has Obama "governed" as he presented himself in the '08 election or has he governed as a "moderate Conservative." I only use the term "moderate" because that's the reality of our current political landscape. Even the most cursory look at his actions and policies provide the answer. The political debate in America rages on yet it REALLY hinges on a basic concept. Conservatism=ME...Liberalism=WE You'd think WE, with its superior numbers would win this battle. But ME has "casino logic" working for it. It NEVER rests and the human race is literally going through a state of devolution that quite probably will leave us looking at the end, much as we looked in the beginning. Obama could have chosen to be a "fork" in this river of reversal and rapaciousness. Instead, he simply chose to go with the flow. Watching Charlie Sheen, Lindsey Lohan, any number of professional athletes, the nightly "news", the Jerry Springer Show, "reality" TV or a multitude of neolithic ranters on AM radio and you come to the conclusion that a new "Dark Ages" is rapidly encroaching upon us. In truth, one "Dark Man" wasn't going to stop this. For the first time in nearly forty years I "will not" be voting Democratic. My own infinitesimal "fork in the stream."
 
 
+34 # Dave45 2011-04-28 20:30
To me, this essay was more about Ralph Nader than Barack Obama. Why do people like Nader have so much trouble getting anywhere in American politics? Nader is 1)a lawyer who actually DOES believe in the importance of law, 2)a politician who would support good legislation even at personal disadvantage to himself, and 3)a successful founder and manager of several very large consumer-oriented organizations (starting with the Center for Auto Safety) that have saved countless lives over decades. Imagine--a president concerned with SAVING lives! It is of course impossible to count things that never materialized; however, can anyone think of one person in the US that could legitimately claim responsibility for saving more lives in the last fifty years than Ralph Nader?
 
 
+13 # Jim Rocket 2011-04-29 07:35
The answer is simply that big money doesn't like him and what he stands for and "big money got a heavy hand'.
 
 
+1 # RSJ 2011-05-03 00:14
Dave45, the short answer is that, despite Ralph Nader's many good points, he is a lousy stump politician. He's never gotten the hang of the concise statement or quotable sound byte and, although he has a wry sense of humor, it rarely comes across when he gives a speech. He's 'too much lawyer.' OTOH, Jim Hightower would be a great progressive candidate for president, but I doubt he'll ever run.
 
 
+6 # DPM 2011-04-28 20:38
Republican "Light". No electable non-Republican in sight. Sigh!
 
 
+3 # Virginia 2011-04-28 21:22
Ralph - You've overlooked one very important aspect. There are 67 million+ questionable MERS mortgages and that equates to over 120 million Americans that likely have clouded title issues which are heating up... along with the bank securitization and foreclosure fraud. The unions and states lost their pension funds to the banks' big Ponzi scheme and they are figuring that out.

He who saves the homeowners and the American Dream will win the election. “To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history ... .” Guess who? (2009) Think he ever meant it?

Without the removal of Geithner, Bair & Berneke from his pockets [PDQ] - I think ya got a good chance that he ain't gonna win a 2nd term.
 
 
+15 # Richard B. 2011-04-28 22:41
Spot on analysis. My hope is that his position as the ultimate pragmatist and seeming resurrection of the old "Rockefeller Republican" worldview will, once he has been reelected in 2012, gradually morph into an actual progressive during his second term when he doesn't have to concern himself with reelection postures.
 
 
0 # wjh2 2011-04-30 09:05
Hope! That's all we're left with.
 
 
+19 # ER444 2011-04-28 23:12
Isn't it sad ???!!! There really isn't another choice. God what a mess this two party ping pong match has become.
 
 
+5 # mtnview 2011-04-30 05:04
To say there is no choice is to abdicate your responsibility as a voter, to the vision of our founders. There is a choice, and if you fail to use it, you are agreeing with the ruin of our country. A vote for Obama is a vote for what he has done so far, an affirmation of his eloquent ability to say one thing and do another. It proves your ability to accept leadership that cajoles you and enslaves you to the wealth masters.
No doubt a third party effort will not win this time, however, if those of us who are disenfranchised by our governments lies, and the manipulation of our votes will place our votes with the Greens, Socialist or other, then at least we have sent the message that our votes are sacred, that We-the-People object to their corruption, and we will not be taken for granted. Or are you so concerned with this moment only, that you fail to see the larger vision of America, once a beacon, now a swirl of dirty water circling the drain? Neither party represents us, stop playing their game.
 
 
+5 # Arika 2011-04-29 00:17
Depressing! What a republican twit! Obama, I mean. I know he's right, and it scares the hell out of me!
 
 
+6 # je proteste 2011-04-29 00:22
Nothing like a bad news-bad news non-joke just before bed. I just know I'm going to have nightmares - just like during my waking hours.
 
 
+25 # Ralph Averill 2011-04-29 00:54
The more important question is which party will hold the majority in the House & Senate. The most decent, progressive accomplishment of Obama's administration, health-care reform, was more the accomplishment of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid working with majorities in their respective bodies.
Progressives would do well in the next election to support Democratic congressional candidates, especially those challenging Republican incumbents.
 
 
-25 # mediasavy 2011-04-29 03:19
none of these are reasons to vote for Obama in 2012.

I note Nader's omission of any reference to the worst economic climate since the Great Depression. Like too many privileged progressives, the falling fortunes of the bottom 50% of this country - systemic joblessness/underemployment , falling wages and continuing record foreclosures - doesn't even register in their minds when they think about public matters. Apparently, Nader and Obama are of one mind on this crisis. That is, they have no thoughts at all.

Yet, these are precisely the conditions that cost the Democrats dearly in the 2010 election.

I don't know what possessed Nader to write this piece, except to excuse himself from national politics in the next election and give the crown to Obama. What a pathetic statement. Did he get a payoff?
 
 
+3 # wjh2 2011-04-30 09:14
" . . . worst economic climate since the Great Depression" Are you impling that this was the fault of Obama? Come on, this was the result of 30 years of the Winner Take All Politics.

" . . . the conditions that cost the Democrats dearly in the 2010 election" Was a result of the current economic situation - Yes, AND the Rights amazing ability to Spin that in thier favor, however, thier over zealous actions to destroy Unions, cut funding for Public Prigrams, and thier pledge to cut Taxes for the Wealthy at all costs will be thier downfall in 2012.
 
 
+2 # damndems 2011-05-02 09:24
Quoting
none of these are reasons to vote for Obama in 2012.

I note Nader's omission of any reference to the worst economic climate since the Great Depression. Like too many privileged progressives, the falling fortunes of the bottom 50% of this country - systemic joblessness/underemployment , falling wages and continuing record foreclosures - doesn't even register in their minds when they think about public matters. Apparently, Nader and Obama are of one mind on this crisis. That is, they have no thoughts at all.

Yet, these are precisely the conditions that cost the Democrats dearly in the 2010 election.

I don't know what possessed Nader to write this piece, except to excuse himself from national politics in the next election and give the crown to Obama. What a pathetic statement. Did he get a payoff?


You fail to understand the economic disaster started with your friends Bush/Cheney. When they decided to deregulate. When they lied us into war, for oil.
Please, open your eyes and your mind.

As FDR said:
A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward.
-- Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1939 --
 
 
-14 # rf 2011-04-29 04:23
Yuck! Anyone but Obama! If we are going to get Republican policies...we might as well have a republican taking the blame...not our fake, spineless one on the hill now!
 
 
-1 # Virginia 2011-04-29 09:58
Don't say that - it could be worse. Maybe Ralph ought to run again. He might have a chance next year and nobody would care if he screwed things up this time.
 
 
0 # rock 2011-04-29 22:12
Actually, the basis for his conclusion is probably the knowledge that he ISN'T going to run this time.
 
 
-2 # George D 2011-05-01 12:38
You have a good point Virginia. People that might have voted for RN before but didn't, out of fear of the power of the two party system, may just vote their conscience this time and RN would have a good chance of winning.
If it's Obama versus any Republican, it will be the anti-Bush decision for me. Obama will get my vote, despite the huge disappointment he's been to me. But give me RN or another choice that's a fighter for the causes of a Progressive nation, and my vote will go to them. If that clears the way for another Republican to win, then it won't be my fault or the candidate's fault; It will be AMERICA'S fault. Just like the last three times have been.
Nixon said his political philosophy was to "talk conservative but act liberal". In Obama's case it's been almost the opposite.
 
 
+8 # Ralph Averill 2011-04-30 01:09
How utterly simple-minded, and wrong. The president is not a dictator; he does not govern by decree. Obama is swimming upstream against a coordinated right-wing media/political movement to make him fail, at whatever cost to the nation. No president in history has had an opposition party publicly, repeatedly, declare that their goal was to make him fail. Could he have done better? You bet. Instead of complaining, progressives should be helping Obama out by working to re-establish a Democratic majority in the House, and strengthening the majority n the Senate.
 
 
+2 # thomash 2011-04-29 04:54
I agree with Activista.....
 
 
+19 # todd williams 2011-04-29 05:10
Activista, look at the other side of the coin. If Obama is re-elected, he has 4 more years to implement more liberal policies without the spector of running again. Besides, there is a strong possibility the Democrats will retake the House and add more seats to their majority in the Senate. And Obama will likely appoint another Supreme Court justice. You are way to negative at this point.
 
 
-6 # fredboy 2011-04-29 06:04
And there's a sixth, we pray: you are not running.
 
 
+8 # giraffee2012 2011-04-29 08:18
If the Dems take Majority in the House/Congress, Obama CAN make change while a Repug/Tpary President will veto ALL.

The President of the USA is not a King (Bush/Cheney acted like Kings) -- and yet much of the criticism from the left expects President Obama to make change aa one just bc King George "W" Bush ...

Meanwhile ex-Senator Feingold (and others) are pushing the STupremes to look at the folly of their 2011 Decision which allowed the USA to have the "best government money can buy" -- and then no President will have to deal with the insanity of Rep Ryan Paul's "privitize Social Security, vouchers for medicare, etc" and "give more tax cuts to the rich" even those who don't pay anyway and those who DO NOT MAKE JOBS IN THE USA.
 
 
+7 # fredboy 2011-04-29 08:34
I see a lot of negative votes for those of us who criticize Nader.

To put this in perspective, just think about the deaths and damage that resulted from the narrow Bush "election." And the fact that our nation has been greatly weakened and divided.

We can't ignore this, nor should you. If Nader is as wise as he has always claimed he should have foreseen this and dropped out of the race in 2000. Instead, embittered, he chose not to.
 
 
+6 # Ken Hall 2011-04-29 09:18
The idea that Nader cost Gore the presidency is laughable! Please learn about the issue, which is Major Media Misdirection. You could read Palast's "The Best Gov't that Money Can Buy". With Bush's brother the gov, the secretary of state Bush's state campaign manager, there was plenty of opportunity for scullduggery and repubs used it very effectively, purging the voter polls of 60,000 people who were probable Gore voters. BTW, Gore probably did win the vote in FL. RN has spent a lifetime standing against corporations and in defense of the common people and deserves better than for the tarring of him by the major media to be believed by the people he has fought for and who should be listening to and supporting him.
 
 
-9 # rock 2011-04-29 22:20
"purging the voter polls of 60,000 people who were probable Gore voters."

Yeah, they probably were. The fact that they were ineligible has nothing to do with it.

" BTW, Gore probably did win the vote in FL."

When all is said and done, this is about the only thing you have to hang your hat on. Very lame.
 
 
+6 # God Dont Like Ugly 2011-04-30 01:40
Quoting
The fact that they were ineligible has nothing to do with it.

Of course they were ineligible dear Rock, they dared to try to VWB - Vote While Black (or Brown). What were those uppity bastards thinking - that they really do deserve the same rights as Caucasians? Tsk. Tsk.

You, should get the facts before you "hang your hat" on nothing more than snark. It really diminishes other people's perception of your intelligence.
 
 
+4 # Ken Hall 2011-04-30 07:16
Stupid is as stupid does.
 
 
-12 # tomb215 2011-04-29 09:33
If Obama gets in for another four years it will be because the vote count is rigged. Everybody, and I do mean EVERYBODY,that I have talked to, that admits voting for him in '08, has said they will not repeat that mistake. I do belive the only reason he won in '08 was because the Republicans din't want to face the mess that was created while Bush was in the Oval ofice. I mean, look at the circus act they presented to the voter? I mean com'on! Who was going to vote for that daffy duo?
 
 
+13 # todd williams 2011-04-29 10:25
I just love the phony liberals here. How many of you voted for Nadar the first time around? I did and then I voted for Obama. The only reason Obama has had to move to the center is because the centerist bluedog Dems in Congress abandoned Obama's policy ideas and moved to the right because of the idiot T-Party. Obama has tried to help our country as much as he can as one man. The wars that he inherited from Bush are very difficult to disengage. He was stuck with a giant economic mess. It took Georgie Boy 8 years to screw us up and you want it fixed by one man in 2 years? Are you people mad? My advice is to work for our President's re-election and push like hell for the libs to retake Congress. Then we may have a chance. Elect another Rethuglican and we are all doomed. This is a fact. Count on it.
 
 
+4 # PGreen 2011-04-30 08:29
I agree with some of this, Todd. Obama may well be the lesser of evils, However, this doesn't mean that he is good. I am disturbed by some of the things that he is doing that likely would not hurt him politically, should he have taken a different stance-- like his stance on torture. It is damn hard to justify the continuation of policies of torture, especially when you have spoken out publicly against those very policies in the past. This is blatant subservience to the military establishment, and it paints Obama as a political opportunist, at the least. His tepid support of the labor movement in Minnesota, when he had promised as a candidate to "stand shoulder to shoulder on the street with those seeking to eliminate worker's rights," is another such example. He is able to get away with such a position only because (he thinks), progressives have no where else to go, so even if a majority of the people support worker's rights, he needn't risk antagonizing conservatives by doing this. This doesn't inspire confidence. We are in a political fix, and Nader has admirably raised the issue of just what policies we are supporting if we support Obama. My question to you: Even if he is better than the alternative, is there a point at which Obama is no longer worth supporting?
 
 
0 # PGreen 2011-04-30 08:45
Pardon me, I meant to say, "stand shoulder to shoulder on the street AGAINST those seeking to eliminate worker's rights."
 
 
+1 # John Gervers 2011-04-29 11:48
No question that Ralph Nader's efforts to create a third party in 2000 siphoned off enough liberal votes to hand the election to George Bush and to give us a Supreme Court that has given corporations a free hand to undermine our democratic institutions. Nader may have done a lot of good things for the environment over the years, but his refusal to cede to Al Gore in 2000 was a mighty setback to progressive goals over the following eight years. Obama has been fighting the most obstructionist Republicans in Congress in recent time (even when in the minority). He should be given another chance to move forward the progressive agenda in 2012, even if he hasn't lived up to all of our hopes from 2008. If there's any doubt about this, look at the field of Republican candidates that might take over the White House. And Ralph, please don't run for president next year!
 
 
+6 # Sunnyduck 2011-04-29 11:55
Considering the caliber of elected officials in DC (with the exception of a handful) no dem “reform” president has a chance of making real change. Few of them in the House, Senate or Administration will bite the corporate hand that feeds them. I had hoped that if President Obama won a second term and the dems controlled both houses that some of these issues would be addressed. But since he appointed Immelt to head the President's Council on Jobs and Competiveness – I've pretty much lost hope. Still, I will support President Obama's re-election the alternative is unthinkable.
 
 
+2 # Lucius 2011-04-29 13:34
Of course, Obama will have another 4 years. The GOP has given up trying to take the White House this go round. So Obama will win by default. The GOP is focusing on the Congress, which if they take, will neuter Obama in the second term.

The only question is, will those college age idealists who organized and voted for him in 2010 turn out in 2012. My guess, no. And why should they. Obama is a corporatist appeaser. He hasn't fought for anything he promised in his campaign speeches. So it doesn't matter if he wins a second term. What little influence he has will be squashed.

The Democrats have proven that they are spineless enablers. Obama has zero credibility as a negotiator. Obama will serve a second terms as a lame duck. The only possibility of a different scenerio is if the teabagging GOP implodes ala Paul Ryan.
 
 
+3 # Activista 2011-04-29 18:50
Number #1 is STOP WARS and drones - is there anybody else except RON PAUL - conservative Republican - who sees criminality killing with drones?
Stop wars NOW, save USA - all other issues are NOW insignificant.
 
 
+2 # GTrout 2011-04-29 22:24
Yeah, well, maybe so - as long as a certain Mr. Nadir (misspelling purposeful) doesn't decide to run again and give another George W. Bush-type opponent the advantage, as in 2000 when Nader's votes stole the election from Al Gore. And set the US toward its current ruinous Bush-league status.
 
 
+1 # fredboy 2011-04-30 10:31
Nader was hailed as a hero at highly conservative colleges and universities after the 2000 "election." Check his speaking schedule during that period. He was seen by them as the guy who put Bush in the White House.
 
 
+4 # Ken Hall 2011-04-30 18:56
fredboy: Of course conservatives want people to see RN as the guy who put Bush in the WH! Typical misdirection, don't look behind the curtain, where Bush's sibling Jeb and FL's secretary of state, Katherine Harris, were ramping up their dirty tricks. Do you remember how confident GW was that FL would go his way? Please read Palast's "Best Gov't That Money Can Buy". The book delivers the goods on what was going on, and substantiates its claims. You probably didn't see "Fahrenheit 911", which included videos of members of the black caucus in the house of reps beseeching just ONE senator to endorse a thorough investigation of the Great Florida Purge of Black Voters. At present, you are a victim of right wing propaganda. Inform yourself.
 
 
+5 # Syacht 2011-04-30 19:42
You cannot fault Mr. Nader for running for the office of president~~ he'd have been exactly the Presient we need!!! ~~ The fault goes to the stupid Americans who failed to elect him!
 
 
+4 # Ken Hall 2011-04-30 23:05
Bravo! Yes, he would have made a great president and would have fought large corps, as he has done all his life. Just the president we really need in this era of the "Citizens United" SC decision.
 
 
+1 # damndems 2011-05-02 09:15
I feel like a reluctant democrat.
But no vote means no democracy.

Pres. Obama has many people whispering in his ear. Unfortunately he is listening. Why? Why so different now that you are in office Mr. President? What is it behind those doors of government, that all bets are off?
What is it that you now know, that "We the People" do not. That which changes everything.
I understand that there is racism against Obama, they use euphemisms like tea baggers or birthers instead of klan or fascist.
The more to the right Obama moves, the more to the right "The Right" moves, so we get the likes of Bachmann, Palin and The Donald! Not radical politics, not republicans, but radical ideologues. What could be more dangerous?

Ideology is not something you can argue with reason. There is no reason, that's why they sound so ignorant. That is why it is so very dangerous. These people would rather see this nation die than not be in control.

What we need to take from all of this, is that we need to have a much greater hand in determining our future. It can't be left in the hands of our "representatives '. We need to vote and shout and demonstrate until the wealthy and powerful stop trampling us into nonexistence !

Also we must stop the media from elevating these radicals for ratings. They just feed into the fear, not help.
 

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