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Intro: "Republican lawmakers who vote for the speaker's debt-ceiling measure will face Tea Party retribution at the polls next year, movement leader Mark Meckler tells Patricia Murphy."

John Boehner, with Mitch McConnell in the background, listens to a question during a news conference. (photo: Reuters)

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+24 # dkonstruction 2011-07-27 11:47

the key line in this one for me is "Honestly, (the Reid and Boehner proposals) are very similar"...we know the republicans want to destroy whatever vestigages of the new deal welfare state remain...what too many are still not yet willing to admit is that Obama and the dems are basically saying the same thing

+84 # Archie1954 2011-07-27 12:00

I detest hypocrites and Meckler's attitude reeks of it. I have seen the graph showing the increase in the US national debt over the last several years and Bush's Whitehouse and Republican Congress created 80% of it. I simply do not understand why anyone would now trust the Republicans to cure the problem they created.

+21 # wwway 2011-07-27 15:02

Meckler's family lives in the same community I do. They aren't nice people...not even to their own. What does that say?

+11 # kalpal 2011-07-28 04:31

The GOP is most interested in deepening the hole they dug with GW Bush at the helm.

Curing the problem is entirely unhelpful to them since it is imeprative that this nation be brought to its fiscal knees and forced to turn its back on its most vulnerable citizens as a gift to those who have funded and led the GOP on this pilgrimage to return America to its gilded age ethics and lifestyle.

+10 # NanFan 2011-07-28 06:25

Quoting

I detest hypocrites and Meckler's attitude reeks of it. I have seen the graph showing the increase in the US national debt over the last several years and Bush's Whitehouse and Republican Congress created 80% of it. I simply do not understand why anyone would now trust the Republicans to cure the problem they created.

Ditto! And who the hell cares what the tea party Republicans think.

Exxon realized a profit of 41% off the backs of people who have to buy gas at inflated rates to get to jobs that pay them less than they should be paid...or even to LOOK for a job!

I'm sick to death of the Repubs and their truly evil ways. I mean think about it...really, folks, look back and do an honest assessment.

Bush = Wars = Massive Deficit = Republican Failures!

N.

+36 # spktruth200 2011-07-27 12:14

There is a huge difference in the two plans. And who the hell cares what the teabagger media creation thinks. They are a total minority, who havent held a rally or meeting in months. They held a convention and the seats were empty. This is really about smoke and mirrors and has nothing to do with reality. The progressives, liberals, independents and moderates are standing with this president even though we challenge many of his decisions. Meckler is a moron, a rethug, who doesnt believe in the US consitution, which is why they want to change it. They want smaller government so they say, but they support corporate america wishing to privatize everything. Screw em.

+31 # X Dane 2011-07-27 12:18

This is more than frightening, that all these fanatics are having so much influence. Yes, we have too much debt, but Meckler obviously do not pay attention. He is only listening to the crazy voices in his head. He hasn't heard that if we default it will basically be a hefty TAX on ALL OF US!! plus MUCH, MUCH more, higher interest rates, tuition among some of the misery that will befall us if the tea bag people prevail.

Fanaticism does not cure problems, cool rational thinking and action does

The teabagger's and the rest of the republican's actionS will throw many thousand more out of work??????? That is brilliant? And new jobs will certainly not materialize, for now even fewer people have money to make any purchases.
The sensible members of the parties are leaving. Who can blame them??

The asylum is empty for the crazies have now taken over the republican party.
HELP

+35 # humanmancalvin 2011-07-27 12:21

Talk about passing the buck(s). A Republican made financial disaster created with not as much as a peep until a Democrat (an African American one at that) was elected as president. Now its Obummer the Nazi/socialist/communist/Mau-Mau Kenyan that has created this problem & unless he bows to every demand of the ultra-right wing there will be hell to pay. Where is the voice of reason & sanity that once existed in the GOP? Not every single Republican can be as lopsided & extreme as these angry white men..can they? I certainly don't hear the Republicans that surely are not as off the reality wall as this extremist voicing their opinions. Any sanity at all left in the GOP? Wake up & speak up now before its too late.

+8 # CL38 2011-07-27 21:16

Many Americans are 'speaking', but waited far too long to do it.

The best way for us to 'speak' now is at the polls to turn these 'lunatics' out onto the streets (X DANE described them well).

+24 # hms 2011-07-27 12:21

I wonder if the Republicans and Shrub Bush were still in charge all this nonsense would be going on? If you think not, then the question to ask here is what the heck do these politicos have in their agenda to be pulling this nonsense? My answer is it's in order to play political games in order to cripple Obama's next election. Don't believe it? Then come up with another reason!

+8 # CL38 2011-07-27 21:18

And to have yet another excuse to go after Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

+15 # Barbara K 2011-07-27 12:23

He has the voters to please, not the tea partiers. We are taking pledges to vote out every legislator who causes America to default and are reaffirming our pledges constantly until election day 2012. Bye bye, Mr. Boehner, and the others like you in the House.

+30 # davidhp 2011-07-27 12:34

If the U.S. stopped its unfunded wars of aggression around the world, the debt would stop growing at its present rate. The Tea Party is nothing more than the foot soldiers of the neo fascist corporate oligarchy, unfortunately the dems and the repubs are collabotators to the neo fasicst coporate oligarchy and until a true party of and by working class America challanges the ruling elite, I see little hope for the average American's economic security.

+15 # cadan 2011-07-27 14:10

davdhp, you raise a very good point.

The tea party leader Mark Meckler should have brought it up ---- but since he didn't (i cannot find the string "war" in the interview), the interviewer should have brought it up.

We will be stalled for progress until every time the subject of debt ceiling, deficit, economy, social security, etc come up somebody pipes up "but what about our multi-trillion dollar wars?".

So --- next time anything connected with the economy comes up, Patricia, please do raise the question about the biggest economic problem we have --- the war.

+2 # trottydt 2011-07-28 08:37

[quote name="cadan"]davdhp, you raise a very good point.

We will be stalled for progress until every time the subject of debt ceiling, deficit, economy, social security, etc come up somebody pipes up "but what about our multi-trillion dollar wars?".

I think a lot of folk have not picked up on the earth-shattering megatrends that are converging to change business as usual forever as we have come to know it. Attached are two links that reflect my perception of where we are headed. I hope you find them useful in understanding what is happening in Greece and elsewhere. If the Republicans are stupid enough not to raise the debt ceiling in August, the shell game will end and a new world financial architecture of some sort will replace the "three-card trick" that has been continuing to finance US profligacy.

www.globalresearch.ca/PrintArticle.php?articleId=12944

http://michael-hudson.com/2010/11/hudson-democracy-now-on-currency-wars/

+31 # allie 2011-07-27 12:45

The moment Meckler said even Michelle Bachmann was doing a better job than Boner, I lost all interest in reading his rhetoric. It's time to kill off the Tea Party. They are pawns of big business and selling us down the road.

+23 # Barbara K 2011-07-27 12:54

We are also pledging to vote out any legislator who votes to cut Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. We will reaffirm our pledges regularly until 2012 election day. He has the voters he is supposed to be serving, not the tbaggers, and the voters are the ones who will decide his future, not the tbaggers. Please the voters, or it is bye bye, Mr. Boehner.

+6 # CL38 2011-07-27 21:24

Let's pledge to vote out every and any obstructionist Republican or Democrat, who sat on their butt for 4 years, refusing to help fix the Bush "legacy" of the '09 economic collapse, no jobs, bankruptcy, homelessness, torture, loss of civil and privacy rights and reproductive choice, to name but a few.

+7 # Regina 2011-07-27 21:53

Provided people can get to vote. Don't overlook the shenanigans now ongoing in states headed by Republican governors, particularly Wisconsin. They're setting up all sorts of roadblocks to registration short of poll taxes and obscure questions in tests. They're out to restrict all categories of voters that tend to vote Democratic. Getting people to the polls will not be enough if they haven't succeeded in meeting the new roadblocks to registering.

+3 # Smilinglady 2011-07-28 13:32

Florida is doing the same...making it nearly impossible for poor people to get their driver's license, by doubling the cost to $48. That is a lot for someone living on $600 per month.
Without DL, we can't vote.

They also want extra ID to prove we are citizens--our birth certificate--another $20.

For convenience, they inserted a voter update to record which party we prefer.

A lot of families cannot afford these extra expenses right now.

+16 # billy bob 2011-07-27 13:07

If you deal with snakes, don't be surprised if you get bit.

Maybe Boner can't separate himself from the other tea-publicans because campaigned as one.

+16 # James38 2011-07-27 13:09

Reducing government employment and expenditures will just prolong the current slowdown in jobs and manufacturing. Making sure that government programs are sensible and free of waste is fine, but now is the time to spend more on infrastructure improvement and environmental projects, among other things. This will stimulate jobs and industry, and will have a generally good effect on the economy. Debt reduction can be accomplished when the economy is doing well, and obviously getting rid of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy is a major part of the process. The current rush to balance the budget is wrongheaded and a policy that will make everything worse.

+18 # green genius 2011-07-27 13:20

I guess the Koch bro's want the economy to crash.

+19 # bracero 2011-07-27 13:27

In George Washington's Farewell Address to Congress, one of his greatest fears was the newly created Political Parties. His fear was that the new Politcal Parties would grow to the point where the politicians were more loyal to the "Party's" than they was to the Nation they were elected to represent. I suggest this article is a perfect example of George Washington's biggest fear. The representatives are obviously more concerned about their re-election than they are the welfare of our nation.

+16 # angelfish 2011-07-27 13:32

The Tea Party "Patriots" are holding this Country Hostage to an impossible demand. If the Debt Ceiling is NOT raised, as it HAS been for DECADES" not only will OUR Economy suffer terribly, the WORLD Economy will also go into the Proverbial Toilet! WHY will these IMBECILES NOT listen to people who KNOW what will happen. Simply SAYING it won't happen doesn't mean it won't! They are BETTING, with their blithe and BLIND Ignorance, our entire Financial Well Being. My question is, WHAT if they're WRONG?

+14 # kent 2011-07-27 13:56

It really bothers me that it has become OK to renege on contracts or on commitments well after the time that they are made, because circumstances, or finances etc. change. Witness the relative ending of corporate pension programs, or the current failure of the USPS to be self-funded. Promises Made ought to be kept. The time for making changes to commitments is BEFORE they are made. This means doing the hard thinking and work to figure out how much things will cost in the future, before passing a bill in congress to create promises that can't be kept. My parents called that LYING.

+15 # Fraenkel.1 2011-07-27 14:02

The sad thing is that in the past when marginal progressive tax rates were high
and large investments went into building freeways and supporting education and research, the assets of the wealthy increased enormously. Now we can'r afford to maintain everything that was built up before and so assets of the wealth are dropping. They don't seem to understand that. The extra taxes they would have to pay would be more than made up by the increase in their total wealth. Tea Part tactics are actually bad for everybody including business.

+14 # Todd Williams 2011-07-27 14:03

Thanks Tbaggers. My stock portfolio took a big hit today. I hope every freaking Rethug and Bagger looses all their damn money come Aug. 2, It'll screw me and the rest of us but these assholes will also take a big hit. They are sooo stupid they don't understand what they're signing on to. And if they do get it, then it's just their way of trying to screw up Obama's re-election chances. Either way, these people are mean spirited, selfish, ignorant tools of the very rich. Do they want a revolution? Well, they may get something they'll regret. There are a lot of very pissed off liberals out there. Watch what happens on Oct. 9 in Washington at the big peace rally. A lot of us will be there and we will be mad as hell!

+13 # X Dane 2011-07-27 15:51

Yes Tod. You wonder how a lot of those MORONS were elected?? It is frightening for it says a lot of the PEOPLE who voted them into office. Unfortunately there are way too many ignorant people in this country

+13 # Aygen 2011-07-27 14:36

July 27
The Tea Party and Tea Partiers are naive, ignorant and deluded Americans. The Mark Mecklers of the Tea Party are out to destroy the New Deal started by the great FDR, arguably the greatest President in the history of the USA. The Mecklers running the Tea Party network across the country are traitors to America and the American Dream of social justice for all. This Republican controlled House is the worst in the history of the US Congress. Republicans are out of touch with the realities of America and the world outside the USA. Its a redundant party. Democrats and Obama will crush them in a landslide come next November 2001.
Aygen,
Istanbul

+3 # CL38 2011-07-27 21:32

Agree with everything you say, until "Republicans are out of touch with the realities...."

They know what the realities are, they don't care. They want what they want, regardless of the cost to anyone else--or the country. For me, this is an indication that they've gone off the deep end--their choices, lies, misrepresentati on of reality reflect that of a sociopath's behavior and belief system. But what do we make of a whole party evidencing a sociopath's behavior?

+6 # J.Lindsley 2011-07-27 14:37

I GIVE MECKLER AND HIS ILK A RATING OF T
T as in TREASON. TRAITOR TEA BAG DEATH WISH and is afraid to go alone so wants to take the country down with him.

DIE ALONE!

+9 # wrodwell 2011-07-27 14:54

Mr. Meckler informs us that along with "fiscal responsibility", the "Constitution" (I wonder what he means by that), "limited government" and "free market capitalism", are the 4 cornerstones of the Tea Party philosophy. Tea Partiers often use their one-eyed vision to suggest the Feds ought to become fiscally responsible like any family is forced to do that's living beyond their means. However, there's several gaping holes in their argument. One, what debtor household will get out of debt solely by cutting spending, especially on a fixed or limited income? If families don't augment their budgets with some kind of plus-type income they'll be in debt forever. Speaking of personal budgeting, that was my case when I worked freelance for 8 weeks enabling me to pay off half my credit card. Reality: no base plus income=no debt payments. Denying the Feds the ability to make money by closing tax loopholes and raising taxes on the deserving rich will only hamstring paying down the debt even more and the cuts-only philosophy will make the USA a debtor nation for life as costs continue to rise. And, as for one of the Tea Party's other treasured beliefs - that of free markets - how dumb can they be? Wasn't it a virtually regulation-less "free market economy" that put us in this economic sewer in the first place? It's about time we throw their stale, rancid "tea" overboard.

+12 # Peter Vokos 2011-07-27 14:55

It's time the American people stand up and be counted. Boehner is an embarrassment and should be impeached. Write your elected officials and demand they act. Boehner is playing Russian roulette with our future. No matter what happens August 2nd. the damage has been done. What is taking place in the congress is insanity.

+16 # photojack53 2011-07-27 14:59

"The Tea Party Patriots are fighting to preserve this nation for our kids and for our grandkids." B.S! They are tearing apart our nation now AND in the future. Archie 1954 nailed it! I wish EVERYONE could see that chart he referred to. I've seen it and Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy are larger than ALL of Obama's spending combined AND Obama was forced to spend to stave off the economic collapse the Repugnicans left us with! "Dubya" left our economy in a downward death spiral and the recovery attempts were blocked by the party of "NO." They are irresponsible kooks who know NOTHING about economics and they are damaging our nation severely!
VOTE THESE EVIL BUMS OUT OF OFFICE, NOW!

+9 # mike/ 2011-07-27 15:29

It is time to stand up to the Teapartiers and let them know we are a country of COFFEE drinkers - and beer! enough of this tea sh**!!!

+1 # MyKisa 2011-07-27 15:34

just another globalist freak

+11 # X Dane 2011-07-27 15:45

I wonder if you heard the length the republicas will go to, in order to kill unions? They want to eliminate the FAA??
Federal Aviation Agencie?

They closed down several smaller airports and fired about 4000 workers, so now, needed work being done in the airports is stalled. So much for CREATING jobs!! All in order to kill unions. OH and I didn't even mention yet, that it is a loss of 30 MILLIONS day????????????
Congressman Mica, Georgia? is mainly in charge of that hatchet job. When voting remember to pay him for that.

+6 # Regina 2011-07-27 22:01

This is the Republican war on labor -- they're paralyzing the FAA because its employees have a union. They're out to strangle labor -- and they don't give a damn about the consequences of their insanity. So now the taxes attached to airline tickets are not being paid into the treasury -- another loss of revenue.

+12 # Paul Scott 2011-07-27 16:14

Believe math or believe republicans and FOX:

Our national debt was $993 billion when Reagan took office. While Reagan, sing the praises of Reaganomics he raised the national debt to $2.6 trillion. Then Bush 1, singing the praises of Reaganomics, added another $1.4 trillion making the national debt $4 trillion. Clinton had two terms, with a republican congress, and even though he balanced the budget in 99 and left a budget surplus of $84.6 billion, in 2000, he added $1.6 trillion, to the debt. The national debt, at the end of Clinton’s two terms, was $5,674,178,209,886.86 trillion. Then, the real American tragedy Bush II, a Texas Air NG deserter (1972) took office singing the praises of Reaganomics and slashing the taxes of the wealthy and he added $4.9 trillion to the debt. While his sidekick (Cheney) preached Reaganomics proved that deficits did not matter. At the end of the deserters two terms the national debt was $10,024,724,896,9 12.49 trillion.

Monetary Data from Treasury Direct
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/

+7 # CL38 2011-07-27 21:38

Boy George also 'led' every company he ran into the ground, with taxpayers bailing out these companies (just like we had to bail out banks, wall street and the mortgage industry in '09.

+3 # artic fox 2011-07-27 16:29

The "hilarious" thing about the TPP is that they base their name on a group of paid thugs hired by John Hancock who paid Samuel Adams to recruits these thugs to pour the taxable tea into Boston Harbor.
I suggest your viewers read H. Unger's book "The American Tempest."

-14 # MidwestTom 2011-07-27 16:49

Maybe the people wanted CHANGE and elected ONAMA, only to find out that he is like another Bush brother. The Tea Party does bring Change to Washington., they are the omly nones there not owned by Wall Street, or they would not be dong this. Please read some offerings from the MISES Institute. They claim that if we had nbnt bailed out the banks, we would have had one really tought year, but after 12 months the economy would have reorganized and been growing rapidly..

+2 # billy bob 2011-07-27 19:25

We wanted change. Obama decided to ignore us and give us more of the same. The tea-party wants change too. For them, bush wasn't psychotic enough. We don't want "change" for the sake of "change". We're also hoping that that change would be an improvement.

Obama is bush light. The tee-party is bush on steroids.

+2 # davidhp 2011-07-29 13:55

The Tea Party is bought and paid for by the Koch brothers - give me a break that they are not owned by Wall St.

+4 # KittatinyHawk 2011-07-27 17:11

Tea Party really funny, are Corporate owned stoolies. I would take there word for nothing.

They are a religious cult far worse than Manson. If real Americans remember History...this is no better than Puritans and perhaps it is time to get the Indians back in Power. They seemed to have less problems with the Air, Land, Animals. They certainly knew how to work with elements, farm, look for food that was provided to us. Perhaps the Indians should teach the Heathens a lesson.

Tea Party (this is an insulting name to me a Northerner) and their Hatred will start a War that no one will finish! You will not have to worry about the Anti constitution, Anti Jesus Morons and a Debt Ceiling, think about Palin, Bachman or any of the others with their control of Nuclear Weapons to teach others a lesson. Hitler would be granted a stay of .... Be scared
they even make Ghadafi and BinLaden look Meek

+3 # Maryelizmc 2011-07-27 18:52

The truth about personal spending in the UNited States is signficnatly different that the Tea Party spokesperson presents here:

• Consumer debt in 2010 now stands at $2.4 trillion.
• The average household in 2010 carried nearly $6,500 in credit card debt.

http://www.money-zine.com/Financial-Planning/Debt-Consolidation/Credit-Card-Debt-Statistics/

+3 # D Rubes 2011-07-27 20:54

What seems to be missing from this conversation is that we, along with only one other Democracy are the only ones w this artificial thing called a "Debt Ceiling". The annual budgets do the same thing. This is money already spent.
All the (Koch brothers) funded Tea Baggers, along w some well-meaning average people, don't seem to hear anything but Fox, et al. Rational thought seems missing, however well-intended it may be. Things are just a lot more complicated than a simplistic slogan can sum up.
Wonder were they all were when Pres G W & Republicorp ran up this debt & deficit? To quote Lindsey Graham, "We didn't think we had to pay for anything then."
This Recession was definitely not brought on by teachers, police, or firefighters ( the 9/11 heroes) who now have to pay. It's fighting the battles of the early 1900's all over again. As Bill Maher says, other than the top 2%, why would anyone vote against their own interests for Republicorps? God help us all.

+4 # LeeBlack 2011-07-27 21:27

If it weren't so awful it would be humorously ironic - the Republicans used the Tea Party to get a majority in the house only to find that the Tea Party is the tail wagging the dog.

+6 # LeeBlack 2011-07-27 21:32

I think the politicians are reading their 'mandate' incorrectly. They weren't elected to lower the debt, they were elected to create jobs. Not raising the debt ceiling will have the opposite effect. We've seen the results of trying to deal with finance problems using only spending cuts in states like Ohio - thousands of people laid off with the rippling effect throughout the state.

+8 # kalpal 2011-07-28 04:36

To paraphrase the old Vietnam silliness, "We had to destroy America in order to save it."

When the military explained that they had to demolish villages in order to save them, I was flabbergasted. It was such rank nonsense that only a nincompoop would nod sagely after hearing it.

The USA is the richest nation on the face of the earth yet it lacks the resources to care for its own? Who believes such rank lunacy and drivel?

+1 # George Baggett 2011-07-28 05:47

I note that the Speaker seemed nearly defensive about the idea the Tea Party might not be part of the Republican Party, or that they were near a split. My question remains, at what point to we count three party numbers and determine a Speaker based on the majority of one party?

+2 # George Baggett 2011-07-28 05:56

I note the Speaker was defensive about the idea that the Tea Party might not actually be part of the Republican Party. My question is at what point does this become two separate parties? The Greens are a minority party but not Democrats - though they might vote with the Democrats. If there is a split, how does the split affect the speaker-ship count and who would then be the majority party?

+3 # reiverpacific 2011-07-28 07:49

So: -let "Boner" hear most resoundingly from the "Tea-Party Phoney Patriots" with their myopic and chowder-headed constituents at the polls next year! The Tea-Punks are losing credibility by the nanosecond with the remaining, thinking, on-the-fence public, and further fragmentation of the right-electorate is the best thing that could happen to the Dem's.
Surely knowing this, the Obama administration should be pushing more a progressive stance in proposing STRENGTHENING the Social Safety Net and taxing the super-rich, rather than compromising with those "Boner-heads" who wish to shred the former and pad the latter!
Hell, the Rep's don't even have a viable candidate to run against Obama as of this date, which should be encouraging him to push back, having surely learned by now that negotiating with these wholly-owned subsidiaries of the Koch Bro's and their ilk is like tryin' to get blood from Mt Rushmore.

+1 # VSweet 2011-07-28 20:02

So are the American public suppose to be supportive of the Tea party? I think not. Cut Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security which the T party supports is suicidal disgrace for this nation.

Yes Boehner was dancing for them before to their music and now they are out to get him because he got out of rhythm.

Oh well!

+2 # photojack53 2011-07-29 05:37

And how many countless thousands of Americans have had their finances DESTROYED while these EVIL Repugnicans play their dirty games? They prolonged the high unemployment, lengthened the foreclosure crisis and delayed Obama's recovery attempts irreparably hurting our citizens, myself included. Look up "swiftboating" and "astroturfing" on wikipedia to see the UNCONSCIONABLE acts this party routinely does to hurt this country's citizens and our economy.
VOTE THESE EVIL BUMS OUT OF OFFICE, NOW!
DON'T LET YOUR CHILDREN GROW UP TO BECOME REPUBLICANS!
THINK, OR OUR NATION WILL BE RUINED BY THESE HORRID IDIOTS!

0 # DesignCreature 2011-07-29 18:34

Good evening, Tea Bag supporters. How's your elected officials doing for you, hmmm? You wanted less government apparently forgetting Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid are government programs. Now you are going to get less and pay more. You will probably have to work longer and get less as well. How's that make you feel, you people that screamed at town meetings and marched in the streets hoping to get your picture on TV on the evening news. This is coming home to roost and let us hope you've learned that when you go for less government, that is what you are likely to get, so save your bus fare and your energy and maybe you can undo some of the damage you've done. Probably not, especially if there is a camera and a goofy hat to be had, and some poor schmuck willing to try and help you understand what is at risk... Sleep well because the more rational people won't.

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