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Michael Moore writes: "So General Motors is back to making billions in profit. And if the past is any guide, we know what that means: time for some layoffs!"

Workers at a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, 06/03/08. (photo: Scott Olson/Getty Images)
Workers at a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, 06/03/08. (photo: Scott Olson/Getty Images)

 

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+11 # Guest 2010-08-13 21:21
What was one of the most revealing and scary revelations by Michael Moore in this? Enter: the Carlyle Group member is head of GM. What does that tell you? Who the hell is running this country anyway? As Eisenhower said: "Beward the military-industrial complex ...". Thank God for Michael Moore's revelations. Wake up, everyone, we've got to see what is really happening in our beloved country, and get out there and get together and fight for it, for all of us.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-15 04:26
How do we "fight it"? This is not an enemy or a war, there's nothing to "fight", and we haven't had a Third Party President since the 1860s!
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-16 13:56
Yes, but WE are the change we've been waiting for!
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-13 21:22
Just a small point: to "flaunt" is to display, or brag about, and to "flout" is to go against, or fly in the teeth of. The former CEO of the Carlyle Group could "flaunt" his lawlessness, or lack of compassion, but in the way the sentence was phrased, the correct word is "flout." Just a small point of grammar. (We "bleeding-heart liberals" out here often also suffer from the sin of having brains. ;^) )
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-14 07:02
Yep, Kathryn, we certainly do! And some of us are good grammarians, too -- a dying breed these days!
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-14 08:51
Another style pick.

In addition to "Flaunt" being off. It's hoofbeats not hoofprints they will hear coming.
 
 
+10 # Guest 2010-08-13 22:12
I live South of the idle Springhill Saturn plant and was talking with some union folks and our Representative and heard that GM was going to take some our our profits to build a plant in Mexico instead of bringing the workforce back to the Saturn plant. Now, that is outrageous.I'd sure like to know if this rumor has any substance. I think through the bail out [that saved the financial aspect and screwed the workers] that we are all stockholders for awhile in this corporation. Time to holler and tell our board of directors that we won't stand for any more funny stuff.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-08-14 18:04
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I live South of the idle Springhill Saturn plant and was talking with some union folks and our Representative and heard that GM was going to take some of our profits to build a plant in Mexico instead of bringing the workforce back to the Saturn plant. Now, that is outrageous.I'd sure like to know if this rumor has any substance. I think through the bail out [that saved the financial aspect and screwed the workers] that we are all stockholders for awhile in this corporation. Time to holler and tell our board of directors that we won't stand for any more funny stuff.


I live about 50 miles from a G.M. Plant in Silao, Guanajuato, Mexico. I've also heard they're building another one somewhere. No wonder Mexicanos go north for work, they can't afford to live on what G.M. pays them here.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-08-14 20:58
Amazing isn't it?--how they devoured two countries with one move.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-15 04:36
As I said in the other thread, wages that SHOULD be going to Americans pouring into another country only helps them in the short term. Then the shopkeepers see that the people have more money, so they raise THEIR prices until the people THERE can't afford to live in THEIR country either!
Then they invade America and cause further problems!
 
 
+9 # Guest 2010-08-13 23:23
It is more than obvious that the rich have gotten richer, the middle class is falling off a cliff, and the poor are in the cesspool of government neglect. Obama's latest stimulus package cut their foodstamps. I cannot tolerate the Republican Party. They have sunk to a level of viciousness that should frighten any decent person. But, Obama is only slightly better. I MUST damn him with faint praise. He fiddles while Rome burns. He has a tin ear. His wife goes on a luxury vacation, buying a $6,000 purse, while children will go hungry and homeless tonight. I have concluded Obama is weak, arrogant, insensitive and a snob. He would rather hob-nob with the Wall Street wealthy like Geithner and Summers than listen to a truly wise man like Paul Krugman. He is in awe of the Generals; and the Industrial Complex that runs them.In the meantime, we ain't got a barrel of money, but his wealthy friends sure do.
 
 
-6 # Guest 2010-08-15 04:25
He IS a snob, and he and his wife both waste money, in both personal and professional capacity. But he does NOT respect the military, as evidenced by either the Afghanistan campaign as a whole, his DECLARED timeline for withdrawal (If the Bad Guys know the Good Guys are going to run away at X time, win or lose, they know they have NOTHING to worry about!), and/or firing a General for telling the Media that they weren't being allowed to Fight To Win! Our choice in the Middle East is Go Big or Go Home, and I lean toward Go Home, EXCEPT that the world will chalk it up as a LOSS, and no lesser country will EVER heed America's warnings again, so we'll have to fight even HARDER next time to gain back the lost "face"!
 
 
+11 # Guest 2010-08-14 04:48
Fact: Corps. know they can make profits with w/downsized workforces.

Fact: Corporate execs know they fair better with Repub-controlled governments. If they can hold off employing until after Nov. elections, they'll keep unemployment high and improve chances of Repubs being elected. That also keeps spending down which would also improve the economy.

Corps/corporate friendies say government shouldn't create jobs, the private sector should. So why aren't they doing that? Because of the first two paragraphs of this comment.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-08-14 05:16
Michael Moore should run for president, we should put him on the ticket. The hell with Obama, he woun't do anything for us. That's very clear by now.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-08-14 05:52
How about tax breaks for companies that HIRE people?
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-08-14 06:18
I think we need to "go get it" like Moore says. And I loved the idea, awhile ago about the Labor Party. But it didn't gain traction. In 2010, maybe we can create another organization which actually organizes and is accountable to its base (union people and allies). Maybe we can steal a page out of our adversaries playbook. Maybe we could call this new rank-n- file organization the Coffee Party. The focus could be grassroots and not elected leaders. I usually get started in the morning with a good cup of coffee. And we need to begin organizing at a more fundamental level now if we want to move in the direction Moore is discussing. Tea or coffee? Coffee wins in 2010.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-14 08:18
I like your idea. Ready to get started? I'm a small liberal island in a very large conservative pond, but I'm willing to try.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-08-14 07:56
Obama is restricted from doing many things I believe he would like to do by his truly lack of a real majority. If we don't get MORE democrats in the senate then very little will happen. Obama is not perfect, but he is our best shot at improving things. Mike, be careful of how you criticize Obama, it can help lead to more Republicans in the senate. It is important to contrast him with a possible Republican alternative. The whole conservative ideology has been a total disaster since Reagan. Deregulation and trickle down economics has only made the rich vastly richer and the middle class has less to spend on and their money buys less. There are so many facts backing this up that there is little argument about it. It comes to this, “DEMOCRATS MAKE MISTAKES – REPUBLICANS MAKE DISASTER!

I would very much like to "Do Something", but what?
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-08-14 08:54
"I would very much like to "Do Something", but what?"

In my opinion we are approaching a "critical mass" regarding your question. THERE IS ONLY ONE THING THAT CAN SPARK A MOVEMENT FOR REAL CHANGE: MASS ACTIONS (NOT DEMONSTRATIONS) WHICH WILL ENERGIZE PEOPLE LIKE YOU INTO TAKING ACTIONS THAT WILL SCARE THE WITS OUT OF THE RULING ELITE AND THEIR LACKEYS. I believe we are in a state of supressed revolt, for we lack true leadership, unafraid of the dark powers that rule over this country. Howard Zinn reminded us that true revolution needs to come from the bottom, not from the top down. For "our" representatives do not represent us, since they are bought by the same elite that run the country. So, perhaps we should take a lead from the French Revolution: TO THE BARRICADES!!
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-14 21:08
Fear is a large part of what holds people back from protesting. Hurricane Katrina taught us the military and KBR get called in and are ordered to shoot to kill...with or without a disturbance.
 
 
-1 # Guest 2010-08-16 14:03
Doesn't seem to hold back the teabaggers.
 
 
+7 # Guest 2010-08-14 08:58
The main thing that we need to accomplish is to educate those people who are lazy-minded and don't bother to get the facts about candidates. Many of them have been conditioned since birth to vote Republican, even though they have been kept down for generations by their policies. We need truth committees across this country, and we need to set up truth booths in every town and city in America. Non-partisan factsheets could be handed out by those progressives who have had it with fighting, and want to bring people together. I am an independent who wants to do this in my town at the local flea mkt. If you think this is a good idea, then pass it on. We can make a big difference in coming elections if we will just do it! "Truth is the most powerful force on earth." Gandhi
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-14 08:59
Johnathan, I wish it were true that electing one party or the other would get us out of this mess. But we should realize by now we are in this mess in the first place due to the fact that both parties are just different sides of the same coin. Obama is really no different than Bush who was really no different than Clinton. They all want to hoard power in Washington, serve the corporatocracy, and have done nothing to help the middle class. Thats why your wages have been stagnant for the past twenty years, and the gap between the wealthiest Americans and the average worker keeps getting wider, no matter which party is in power. Obama swept to office with a message of hope and change, but if you have listened to him lately, he sounds like the arrogant, cheap political hack he really is. Reagan was right about one thing....Government IS the problem.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-08-14 14:36
Ray, get your history straight. If Clinton had been the lapdog of the rich and Corporate America instead of doing more than any president since FDR to help the poor and middle class, Ken Starr and the Repugs wouldn't have spent every waking minute and $50M of taxpayers' money trying to oust him.

Clinton also left a surplus in the Treasury, because most of America who wanted to work was working.

It was Bush and his cronies who squandered the surplus and put us back on the path to the record deficit we have now.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-13 15:54
Clinton presided over NAFTA, which ravaged the middle class, and also over the Telecom Bill of 1996, which destroyed small and medium market radio stations. He could have raised a fuss or shown some leadership around these two really important issues, but he didn't. There were many of us who were inspired by Clinton's speeches and ideas, but also horrified by his lack of push-back against the conservative congress of those years. I also watched a recent video of him pretending ignorance on the subject, when a guy asked him, from out of a crowd, why he thought World Trade Center 7 fell down on 9/11. He acted like he had no idea what the guy was talking about, and furthermore seemed rather condescending about it--as if this person asked an unreasonable question. Anyone who's seen video of that building falling must know something's up with that. I was really disappointed by how he handled that question.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-15 12:46
I disagree. Democrats don't make mistakes--they are the same thing as republicans-two side of the same coin designed to appeal to two halves of the country. You want to change things--NEVER vote Democrat or Republican--it is the same party, the fascist party controlled by the M.I.C.
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-08-14 08:19
Maybe people need to look at the earnings rather take them at face value!
A look at the income statement reveals that last year they paid 3.3 BILLION in debt service; This year (after the Govt. "surgical bankruptcy, and the BONDHOLDER's stopped being paid), they had debt service of 250 million. The difference? 3.05 Billion in interest they are no longer paying. If they had the same debt as last year (before the govt. NEGATED the debt) they would have lost over 1.4 billion (The profit they are showing used to pay the contractually obligated debt service.)
Another interesting fact revealed: While they were in bankruptcy last year, they had 17.5% of the US market for cars; this year, they reflect 15.4% of the US market. They are LOOSING market share.
This is hardly a turn around. More like "smoke and mirrors".
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-14 10:27
My question; What happens when they are no longer Govt. motors and no longer have an interest free cash infusion (The govt. took stock in lieu of bonds and the associated interest payments)
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-14 08:49
What happened in the 30s and 60s that Michael Moore mentioned in this article?
Anyone know?
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-14 09:31
Lawrence, if you are serious, you'll need to do some reading. Start with Howard Zinn, "A People's History of the Unite States."
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-14 10:31
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Lawrence, if you are serious, you'll need to do some reading. Start with Howard Zinn, "A People's History of the Unite States."

Enlighten me. I will read Howard Zinn eventually but time does not permit it. Why would I post that if I were not serious. This is your opportunity to spread your knowledge to the less enlightened.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-13 16:06
90 per cent tax rates for the very wealthiest citizens.

Which meant that Constitutional business of "promoting the General Welfare" was actually funded...! In those years.

Which also meant not as much incentive for CEO's to pay themselves multimillions of dollars, but rather invest in the workers, equipment, infrastructure. All of which stimulates the economy. (As opposed to one guy having the $$ to buy up yachts and coastal real estate, etc.--which doesn't.)

Watch Moore's movie "Capitalism: A Love Story" which is probably more fun, at least, than Zinn's book. I just saw it last weekend and it is a snappy, humorous flick, with lots of old footage...go for it!

We have to not be scared of pushing that 90 per cent, it's what we need. That's a battle of ideas we can't hide from. It's about paying their fair share. Anything less is un-American.

It is not complicated. We need to say it, and say it, and say it, and not be afraid.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-08-14 09:34
Let's keep in mind Obama said Yes WE Can not Yes I Can. The WE best be getting our act together. Why not a general consumer strike. Look at how Target is scrambling after their stock fell with the boycott over political contributions. Walmart, aka the communist China product distribution center, could use a few less shoppers as well. Less consumption is something we can all do and we can all do it today.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-08-14 10:46
I like the consumer strike idea. Being long retired, I have found that I can buy less by just looking carefully at the things I already have and mending or polishing them up. The unemployed must be doing this already, but the rest of us could benefit from tips on how to reuse and recycle. I wish we could spread this idea around.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-08-14 10:59
Ray, if you look at economic indicators of the recent past, you can see that since Reagan, Republican administrations have lead to a wider gap in income and lower buying power for the middle class. In the Clinton administration things improved for the middle class and the deficit. A simplified ideology of, "the government is the problem", is the problem. It has increased a mania of deregulations and a lack of government control that contributed largely to our economic disaster. It’s not about big or small government; it’s about, “SMART GOVERNMENT”. I can't say that what has happened under the Obama administration has been perfect - far from it. But the general direction is far better than the Republicans would take us. The reality is that it is a lesser of evils, but if you look at history and rely on what is considered to be factual, you will see clearly that our best chance is a larger majority of Democrats in the senate so that the reforms that have been made can be made better. See next
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-14 14:56
be made better. See next

We don't just need a larger majority of Democrats or Independents, we need more liberals. Obama is no liberal. What a disappointment.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-13 16:09
The hopey changey thing is working out just fine, though it's not enough.

I sure feel more hopeful, but I don't know if it's because of Obama, or because the robber barons went too far in Sept. 2008 with the huge bailouts. That was a wakeup call. People actually noticed it, which is at least a start.

However some are waking up and smelling teabags, not coffee. I agree with the guy above.....we need that caffeine kick.
 
 
+5 # Guest 2010-08-14 11:00
The conservative ideology has created a financial atmosphere similar to the years before the Great Depression, apparently those mistakes were forgotten when Reagan deregulated the banks and then had the first large scale bank failure since the depression. Under every Republican administration since then there were large scale bank failures to include the most recent at the end of the Bush administration. The corporations have way too much power (the Supreme Court didn’t help, read conservative justices) and there are similarities between the parties, probably due to lobbying, but there are differences. It is my conviction, analyzing the past and learning from the mistakes, that the Democrats give us a better CHANCE or restore middle class growth.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-14 11:02
Dammit, Michael, you can't say this, "GM is about to be run by some real ballbusters who have no problem flaunting the law or basic American decency," if you mean the opposite. The word you want is, "flouting."
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-14 11:16
That, "to restore middle class growth."
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-08-14 14:22
The GREEN PARTY IS the cavalry. They take no money from corporations & they are getting elected across the country & the world because those people that aren't scared are finally waking up & electing them. Support them & help get them elected in your city or town. DO NOT stay home on election day because the other 2 parties are owned by corporate masters. Get busy!
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-14 18:05
The reality is - if you don't stand with the Democrats and vote for every Democrat you can, then the Republicans will win, take control again and continue to ruin our country far faster and far worse then anything the the Democrats would do.

Voting for anybody else is voting for the Republicans. That's how Bush became President!
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-08-14 21:33
Johnathan.... Bush did not become president by people voting for a third party, or independent. Don't you remember he got "elected" by the Supreme Court.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-09-13 16:10
Ralph Nader
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-14 18:32
One thing I/We can do is to call people who voted for Obama, as disappointed as they might be, convince them to go out and vote for every Democrat they can and call at least another five people, etc. It would be best to make those calls to areas that went for Obama to have the greatest effect.

Anybody that can supply lists or knows where they are please respond!
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-15 06:43
I remember very well, Loli. Ralph Nader was the third party candidate and took many more Gore votes than Bush votes. Without Ralph the outcome would have changed history.
 
 
+2 # Guest 2010-08-15 12:48
We dont need a coffee party--we have the green party, we have the socialist party, we have the Independent party, etc--we need to unite. But the system is designed Not to count your alternative vote. You cant win!

You have to ignore their system--take all your money out of the bank, boycott their market and charters--start your market--start social groups designed to connect skilled workers, green-minded people with sustainable skills. Buy from individuals--make clothes in your home, bake, build furniture, tools, whatever--and trade in your own market--don't go looking for slave jobs. Build your own, or connect to people who can teach you. buy local, organic, sustainable food, and grow your own.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-08-15 12:49
With green technology we don't have to live like Walden Woods. We form our government of town councils and net-linked organizations. Direct democracy, anarchy-whatever. Form co-operatives. We do not need the mainstream! Violent people not allowed. Obviously, disobeying mainstream laws is stupid.

I'm talking about opting out and forming our own markets--as the movement grows we plant sleepers in the government--shadow representatives , and open reps--under Coffee or something even more ridiculous since they've turned all respectful words like progressive, humanitarian, green into dirty words.
 
 
0 # LandLady 2010-08-15 12:55
Much good energy for change posted here. I think the "system change" needed is equal land rights as outlined in "Progress & Poverty" by Henry George. Still totally relevant, published 1879. Free markets WITHOUT monopoly, esp. land monopoly, make the goals of socialism attainable, and with a democratic methodology. Most big corporations are monopoly-based: ownership of oil, gas, minerals, timber; or patents; or air wave rights, etc. Really worth the read, and is the only way I can see to bring about what Michael and many others are calling for: economic justice, which can make real democracy possible.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-15 15:43
The word you are looking for in this day and age is chrematistics... the dark side of money. Funny how for all of Aristotle's ideas this one is buried, much like the bailout for corporates and austerity for the natives....
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-08-17 09:19
They are making profits again after dumping their defaulted retire funds on to the government...the bailout that no one mentions.
 

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