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Intro: "If Christian conservatives truly understood and accepted the teachings of Jesus, they would not be at the Tea Party barricades fighting to protect the money, power and privileges of the rich; they would be demanding what Jesus wanted, a radical redistribution of wealth and decent treatment of all, as the Rev. Howard Bess notes."

While on combat duty in Iraq, Specialist Paul Goodyear wears a headband with a quote from Psalm 91. (photo: Scott Nelson/World Picture Network/NYT)
While on combat duty in Iraq, Specialist Paul Goodyear wears a headband with a quote from Psalm 91. (photo: Scott Nelson/World Picture Network/NYT)

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+34 # fredboy 2011-09-05 09:05
Tea party and GOP beliefs are decidedly anti-Christian.
 
 
+13 # Erdajean 2011-09-05 22:35
Am glad to see this whole issue come up, AT LAST! Does it bother anyone else the way it bothers me, that the professing believers in this country have stood back, throughout the rise of the "Religious Right" and watched these ignorant, arrogant asses usurp the designation "Christian" unto themselves -- while insulting this belief with every act and deed? Yea, verily, by their fruits ye shall know them: murderous aggression, cultivation of hatred, greed, impoverishment of our children, war-mongering, high-speed destruction of God's earth, appalling vanity and ingratitude -- the list is endless. And all the while, believers, attempting to live the teachings of Jesus, are so sickened by the foul behavior of what calls itself "Christian" that we can't call ourselves by that name, anymore. We identify ourselves as "Followers of Christ," or something else. Why have we done no better at "defending the faith" -- even from our own pulpits? There's a hard lesson coming, I fear --
 
 
+25 # jon 2011-09-05 09:35
Jesus is, and always has been, a liberal.

The first time He was aware that He was a liberal, was when He turned over the tables of the money-changers in the Temple, it just happens that "liberal" was what the admonished money-changers called Him.
 
 
+32 # futhark 2011-09-05 09:41
The guy all these Christians are admiring, revering, and even worshiping was just a common laboring man, a carpenter, until he was about 30 years old. No, he wasn't a banker, a capitalist, or some kind of slick preacher continually badgering a congregation for contributions. Jesus was a guy who actually WORKED for a living and only got really angry at the parasitical money changers who were scalping worshipers in the temple.
 
 
+20 # propsguy 2011-09-05 10:06
we may get that jubilee day soon in the USA. unfortunately, it will come by force, violence and revolution. the message to the wealthy- share a little now or have it all taken from you, including your head, a bit later
 
 
+14 # Ralph Averill 2011-09-05 13:43
"Would Jesus wear a Rolex if he came back today?"
It has been a long time, centuries, since the real philosophy of the real Jesus was paid any attention to.
I will be sure to bring up the teachings of the prophet Isaiah to any tea-bagger/Christian I might run into.
 
 
+13 # Billy Bob 2011-09-05 19:28
If Jesus were alive today, the Rolex wearing phony "Christians" would gladly waterboard him, or even crucify him again. He probably wouldn't be asked to be a guest on the 700 Club either.
 
 
+5 # Phaenius 2011-09-05 19:03
The Jews paid for those days by being in exile for about seventy years, a year for each forgotten seventh year the land was not allowed to remain fallow. But you err. The tea party folk want to keep THEIR property stolen by a rebellious government desiring mastery over the people. 1 Samuel 8:15-17 tells the people desiring a tyranical king that when he takes but ten percent from the farmer and the rancher, these become servants to the king. Abject slavery is that found in Genesis when the people during the famine in Egypt sold themselves and their land to Pharaoh, and he REDISTRIBUTED THEM on lands that used to be theirs and upon giving them grain, required only 20 percent back. Now my fellow Baptist...what type of abject slaves are we when many of us are taxed up to fifty percent of what is considered our increase.
Look to LUKE 3 and see that ONLY THE PEOPLE ARE TO DO CHARITY, and the tax collectors to take only that which is owing, and the soldiers or magistrates who are to protect the people do not molest them, and heavens to Wisconsin Public Employer Unions, BE CONTENT WITH THEIR WAGES. 1 Corinthians 7:20-25 tells the Christian, if made free are not to be the servants of men, but of God, but the Christian can be a servant of God by getting into government, and STILL serve men Romans 13.
 
 
+5 # Billy Bob 2011-09-05 19:26
I'd encourage any Catholic who wants to use the church to rationalize his/her conservative political leanings to read, ""Caritas in veritate" - Encyclical Letter of His Holiness Benedict XVI" by the current Pope.

I just read it (thanks to RSN commenter, "Geoff"), and it blew my mind. Whether or not conservatives can cope with it, it makes the consistent argument that social economic justice (basically socialism), and care for the environment, are not only moral imperatives to lead a life in line with Christ's teachings, but are necessary components of the "right to life", that all conservative religous zealotts claim to believe in.

Please remember this when arguing against right-wingers who claim it's because of their religious beliefs.

The Catholic Church is adamantly opposed to pure capitalism. COPE WITH IT.
 
 
-3 # Slodkie 2011-09-05 19:30
Please explain that when GOD set tax rates Everyone paid the same rate.

See Genesis 41:41-56 and Genesis 47:13-26

The first tax God set was 1/5th.
1) A 20% tax (a fifth) is near the top on the downward side of the Laffer Curve because it filled the storehouses to the extent that there was too much to count.
2) A 20% tax is too much of a burden on the poor because they didn't (or couldn't) prepare for the famine.
3) Once people sold themselves into slavery they celebrated when only had to pay 20%.
4) The poorest of the poor had to pay the same tax rate as the rich!!!

1 Samuel 8 the people begged for a king. Samuel warned that a king would take the best of everything and 10% and"...18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.” This means that a 10% tax rate (overall) is a burden
 
 
+7 # Billy Bob 2011-09-05 21:11
Did God set loopholes to allow corporations to hide money from taxes? Did God say only money earned from working was to be taxed?
 
 
+2 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2011-09-06 08:50
Quoting
Did God set loopholes to allow corporations to hide money from taxes? Did God say only money earned from working was to be taxed?

No, Billy Bob. God did NOT allow these things. Selfish, oppressive, greedy, hateful, evil people came up with all of this system of injustice.
 
 
+2 # TrueAmericanPatriot 2011-09-06 08:48
Quoting
Please explain that when GOD set tax rates Everyone paid the same rate.

See Genesis 41:41-56 and Genesis 47:13-26

The first tax God set was 1/5th.
1) A 20% tax (a fifth) is near the top on the downward side of the Laffer Curve because it filled the storehouses to the extent that there was too much to count.
2) A 20% tax is too much of a burden on the poor because they didn't (or couldn't) prepare for the famine.
3) Once people sold themselves into slavery they celebrated when only had to pay 20%.
4) The poorest of the poor had to pay the same tax rate as the rich!!!

1 Samuel 8 the people begged for a king. Samuel warned that a king would take the best of everything and 10% and"...18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.” This means that a 10% tax rate (overall) is a burden

In the Bible, the poor paid NO TAXES at all....PERIOD.
 
 
+1 # Paul Scott 2011-09-05 22:11
Christianity has no relationship to religion and is in fact incomprehensibl e to most, because the King became the least in the Kingdom of man, even unto death; that all could be made equal, in the Kingdom of the King. Religion is simply all about getting wealth and has corrupted many a soul. We even have those teaching and those believing that you can pay and pray your way to wealth through the bribery of God. KJV 1st Timothy 6: (emphasis on verse 3-5) speaks to that issue and the rest of the chapter tells the reader why God is not going to rain wealth upon them. But of equal importance is a time marker at 2nd Timothy 4:1-8 (emphasis on verse 3 & 4).

Christ says at Matthew 7: 15-16 “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" Again at Matthew 7: 20 “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” The fruits of both the flesh and of the spirit are listed at Glatians 5: 19-25 read that you may know which spirit is speaking. I would suggest continuing to read past Matthew 7:20 down to verse 27 for the people whom Christ is speaking to are the false prophets claiming Christianity, for they have been prophesying in Christ’s name.

Charity is an attribute that will cover up a multitude of sins 1st Peter 4: 8.
 
 
+1 # isukusa 2011-09-06 07:14
Rev. Bess ought to know that the law was NEVER given to the gentiles only to the Jews! What he presents is a false argument that we gentiles are supposed to obey the Levetical law. I don't recall seeing any of the gentile nations present at Sinai agreeing that "they would do all that you (God) says". This is an enormous problem in the Christian church, i.e. mixing law and grace and is the reason for their current state of apostacy. Also, in the gospels Jesus was talking to the Jews only about the long awaited Kingdom that the Jews eventually rejected bringing in the "time of the gentiles". The audience in the Gospels were JEWS NOT GENTILES, this is elementary. Jesus came for the lost sheep of the house of Isarel not for the gentile nations! It wasn't until Acts that the nation (Israel) made its' final rejection and they were temporarily "broken off" (see Romans 11)and the nations "grafted in". See Acts 10. Nice try reverand but Jesus was not a communist (Israelite land was to never leave the tribes and the members of those tribes that inherited the land; this is what the Jubilee was all about not just redistributing land to anyone and everyone) and we are not the nation of Israel! You should be ashamed for twisting the scriptures to suit your political aims.
 
 
0 # jon 2011-09-07 20:52
Jesus was infinitely bigger than tribalism
 
 
0 # jon 2011-09-07 21:05
If God is Love, and, as you think, so you shall Be....

It is VERY simple, and all of this Bible scholaticism is an egoistic game distracting us from the ultimate Truth.

We should ALL humble ourselves, and embrace each other as Brothers - this
includes Rupert Murdoch, the Koch brothers, et cetera.

He is waiting for us to do so.
 
 
+5 # Markle 2011-09-06 07:55
You'll have to explain the Tea Party's support for "the rich"! I missed that!
Jubilee I agree with. Jesus was attacking the people who got rich off of their lies re: "Keeping of the Law." The Tax, or Tithe, was 10%+ another 10% for Festival appearance which a lot was for the poor. Then every 3rd year another 10% was added for the poor. Jesus wasn't calling for illegally taking money from working people and giving it to non-working people. Paul said "If they don't work they don't eat."
Re: Gays! They have rights like the rest of us. However in the Church they had to change or be put out of the Church and turned over to Satan! You invite them into your Church and allow them and promote them so you are as guilty as them. You sound nice but you break the Law of Love by allowing them into your church where they spoil your "Feasts of Love."
 
 
+4 # VSweet 2011-09-06 09:32
Just because you stand in the garage does not make you a CAR!

A lot of people use the title Christian and literally does not know what it means. Few walk in it, believe in it and exercise their belief faith system.

So name title Christian people in the wrong movements such as the T Party does not surprise me at all.
 
 
+3 # Paul Scott 2011-09-06 14:23
Actually Christianity has not changed, for 2000 years, nor will it ever. The problem lies with people who accept peoples “opinions” about the Word of God, without having a clue as to what the Word of God says; it’s called verification, which when used stops most of the confusion. God openly warns of the very things that we see, from these people, today (2nd Timothy 3). He also tells us they are not using the wholesome Words of Scripture (1st Timothy 6: 3.). Furthermore, anyone not having a forgiving spirit simply is not a Christian (Mark 11: 25-26) (Luke 17: 3-4); however, it is important to know that while the Scripture demands, a forgiving spirit it does not allow a Christian to accept a sinful lifestyle. (John 8:34). While God “is” all about love he is also the Master of his own Kingdom; therefore, one should listen when he tells them whom they should fear. (Luke 12: 4-5).
 
 
+2 # Glen 2011-09-06 15:46
Christianity has become a religion of convenience. A weapon. An excuse. A threat. Dominance.

In the U.S., I mean. Politics has usurped the modesty, the privacy, the humility, and the notion of tolerance, taught in the New Testament, in favor of Old Testament aggression and violence.

Distortion is the name of the game with human beings from kings and queens to paupers. The distortion is whatever suits them.
 
 
+3 # Maani 2011-09-06 18:55
Actually, Christian economic thought goes quite a bit further than simple redistribution once every 50 years. consider this:

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common...Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need."

Get that? "FROM each according to his ability to provide; TO each according to need."

That is "communalism" (often incorrectly referred to as communism). It was created by Christians and stolen by Marx - who then had the audacity to turn around and call religion "the opium of the masses!"
 
 
+2 # Paul Scott 2011-09-06 23:05
Very good Manni:
Your Acts 4: 32-35 is also supported by:

KJV 2 Corinthians 8: 12-15
“For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not. For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality: As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.”

Capitalism would no more buy into this scheme than the devil will repent. Nations will always have an enemy to rile against it used to communism until the Warlords found they could make more money becoming capitalist. Now there’s a new enemy, Islamic religion. Why, because they sit on most of the oil (wealth). That’s why religion teaches, from the Old Testament, The OT teaching leaves the wealthy and want-to-be-wealthy alone. I think God for the New Covenant; for 2000 years there has been new rating system that is based upon what you actually have done, pertaining to his teaching in the NT, and not what you talked about doing. The NT is not kind to wealth.
 

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