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Paul Krugman: "But a funny thing happened on the way to economic Armageddon: Iceland's very desperation made conventional behavior impossible, freeing the nation to break the rules. Where everyone else bailed out the bankers and made the public pay the price, Iceland let the banks go bust and actually expanded its social safety net. And there's a lesson here for the rest of us: The suffering that so many of our citizens are facing is unnecessary. If this is a time of incredible pain and a much harsher society, that was a choice. It didn't and doesn't have to be this way."

Portrait, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, 06/15/09. (photo: Fred R. Conrad/NYT)
Portrait, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, 06/15/09. (photo: Fred R. Conrad/NYT)


The Path Not Taken

By Paul Krugman, The New York Times

28 October 11

Financial markets are cheering the deal that emerged from Brussels early Thursday morning. Indeed, relative to what could have happened - an acrimonious failure to agree on anything - the fact that European leaders agreed on something, however vague the details and however inadequate it may prove, is a positive development.

But it's worth stepping back to look at the larger picture, namely the abject failure of an economic doctrine - a doctrine that has inflicted huge damage both in Europe and in the United States.

The doctrine in question amounts to the assertion that, in the aftermath of a financial crisis, banks must be bailed out but the general public must pay the price. So a crisis brought on by deregulation becomes a reason to move even further to the right; a time of mass unemployment, instead of spurring public efforts to create jobs, becomes an era of austerity, in which government spending and social programs are slashed.

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+105 # Barbara K 2011-10-28 10:36
Instead of bailing out the banks, the PEOPLE should have been bailed out of their mortgages, etc. Money could have been saved by the government and the banks would have received their money and people would have money to spend to keep the economy going. I hope they never bail out the crooks in the banks again. Let them fail, if they use the money for their business instead of dishing out big bonuses, they wouldn't be failing. The KEY IS TO HELP THE PEOPLE INSTEAD.

NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!
 
 
+29 # Doubter 2011-10-28 14:22
You are the FIRST person (except myself) I've heard say this! One would think it was painfully obvious and should be unceasingly shouted from the rooftops.
 
 
+24 # karenvista 2011-10-28 20:34
Quoting
You are the FIRST person (except myself) I've heard say this! One would think it was painfully obvious and should be unceasingly shouted from the rooftops.



I've looked into whether the mortgages could have been paid off instead of bailing out the bankers too and it turns out we could have paid off every mortgage in the United States for about $10.6 Trillion rather than lending, spending or guaranteeing the $12.8 Trillion we committed to bail out Wall Street.

As Barbara said, the bankers could have been paid off for the mortgages and the people could have kept their homes.

The Banksters wouldn't have agreed to that though because it wouldn't have bailed them out at 100% for their various derivatives and other Toxic Assets that they are still unloading on us.

I hope everyone has read the news that Merrill Lynch is transferring $53 Trillion (yes Trillion) of toxic derivatives to Bank of America that they expect the FDIC to cover. The Fed is pushing that crime.

It should be stopped right away. $53 Trillion is at leat twice the entire world's GDP. We can't pay for all the
1%'s crimes! They need to go to prison. Now!
 
 
+13 # Barbara K 2011-10-29 05:55
The unique thing, karenvista, is that the money would have gone to the people who would have paid their mortgages off. The bank is left out of the decision. They would have to fix their own problem, no bailout to them. All the money received from the paid mortgages would be enough to bail themselves out. If not, it's their problem.
 
 
+11 # John Locke 2011-10-28 16:25
Obama was the one who sold us out Obama and the Democrate...yes the smart thing to have been done would have been to loan the money with a condition that the banks refi and reduce the mortgage amount...but Obama's handlers didn't tell him to do that...
 
 
+12 # tomo 2011-10-28 18:09
John Locke: You're right. I see 54 thumbs up for a writer blaming the Republicans. Looks like your first thumbs up came from me. Did Republicans appoint Timothy Geithner? Did they forget to attach strings to the money given the CEO's--which CEO'S either sat on it or carved giant bonuses out of it or both? Actually, there was no forgetting. Obama quite deliberately has been the anti-FDR. FDR imposed discipline on the banks and on the stock market, and created government programs to keep ordinary Americans employed. Obama from day one shoveled money to the CEO's (Goldman-Sachs' generosity to him was rewarded many many times over); he freed the big financiers even from the much touted discipline of the "free market" and turned the US Treasury into their ATM machine. It was the victims upon whom he imposed all the discipline. Krugman is right that he has seen this mistake even as it was being made. He was wrong in that he never pinned it on Obama as he should have. Obama is America's Quisling. That Krugman did not name him such--and even now leaves the question of who the agent of the "mistake" was--shows how totally inept we Democrats are at seeing the piece of lumber in our own eyes as we screech on about the blindness of others.
 
 
+56 # fredboy 2011-10-28 10:57
Austerity equals slowdown. And the dreaded socialism so decried by the GOP continues in the corporate ranks as governments continue bailing out the wrongdoers.

Take a wild guess where all of this is heading...
 
 
+48 # MidwestTom 2011-10-28 11:00
The MISES Institute has argued from the beginning that the best course in 2008 was to let the bankrupt casino banks go belly up. Sure there would have been problems, but their belief is that the pain would be severe, but short, and within 9 to 12 months the crisis would have been in the rear view mirror. There would have been a bunch of multi-million dollar homes for sale, but the general economy would have been recovering. However, here both the Bush and Obama administrations bailed out the banks, and Obama put the leader of the biggest casino, I mean bank, in charge of the Treasury.
 
 
+20 # noitall 2011-10-28 12:00
You got tht right MidwestTom, as in Iceland, when the people are asked, the People generally make the right decision. At least when the People make the decision we can live with it. Let's face it, these people running for office are politicians not rocket scientists (or economists), apparently they're not readers either. Part-and-parcel no Democrats and Republicans. The people are left out of the formula. A local politician said it: "the people vote in their representatives and that representative moves forward with that majority's authority to make decisions; no need to re-consult with the voters". We had better know our candidates better if that is the standard.
 
 
+22 # readerz 2011-10-28 12:49
Quoting
... when the people are asked, the People generally make the right decision. At least when the People make the decision we can live with it.

It is impossible in America. About a fifth of the states have more Senators than Representatives , and some shouldn't even have one Senator (and those states are mostly Republican). Those people get all the government grants and projects. Then, of the already-padded Senate, it takes 60 votes to confirm Justices, Cabinet, and bring some bills to the floor. Then, the House of Representatives is gerrymandered every ten years, so that the Representatives have no focus on either a region or the people in that region; their only focus can be outside of America because they know nothing about their own constituents. And, none of them is required to have any knowledge of history etc. The President is elected by the Electoral College, worse than the Senate in the small states. The Supreme Court is for life, and needs 60 of those Senators for confirmation. If anybody can find a democracy in this pretend system, please be assured it is only by accident that "the people" are ever listened to. Wall Street and agribusiness are close friends; those small states are agribusiness.
 
 
+6 # majorpayne 2011-10-28 14:44
No, it is not impossible in America, but it seems highly unlikely because the majority of the people are too dumb to make the right decisions.

Every four years, Joe and Mary Sixpack get up off the couch and go vote, and decide how they will vote on the way to the polls. Maybe they don't vote at all because it's all so confusing. It doesn't matter that politicians were making campaign speeches for at least a year. Joe and Mary were too busy watching pro sports, Real Housewives, or American Idol.

In the state of Washington, some smart people have been proposing a state income tax for years, but Washington likes to be nice and asks the PEOPLE if they want one. Every time, a majority of the PEOPLE who bother to vote at all, vote NO because the richest people in the state spend millions of dollars to tell them it's a bad idea. They never tell the people that 40+ states already have an income tax and are no worse off than Washington, and a majority of the people are too dumb to figure it out for themselves.

It seems intuitive to me that paying 10% of my income to the state (that's the national average, by the way) in one tax instead of dribbling it out via 25 different sales taxes, utility taxes, bridge and highway tolls, and a property tax is the same amount of money, but I am just an engineer. What do I know?
 
 
+2 # readerz 2011-10-28 16:10
Everybody dribbles out lots of taxes in every state, but my husband and I are among those who don't mind, because I want the teachers, the police (yes, even the police, who are a lot nicer when they know they have decent pay), the firefighters, the highways, the water systems, etc. Every time a school budget comes up in an election (this time in my city), we vote "yes" so that the next generation has some knowledge, even though we don't have children in school. We are not the 1 percent, but we figure that it takes some money to run a government. Didn't Michael Moore point out that the state of Washington couldn't afford border patrol with Canada? It figures that the tea party was born there; probably smugglers.
 
 
+1 # majorpayne 2011-10-29 09:23
Bless you for your ethical way of thinking. However, unethical thinking (or not thinking at all) by a majority of the PEOPLE, is the problem.

Approximately 65% of Washington voters were led down the wrong path by unethical rich people who spent $3.5 million last fall to convince the gullible public that their tax worries "in this terrible economy" would be over if the PEOPLE would just "send the message" to the state to cut its profligate spending, and that the PEOPLE should refuse to "add the worst tax ever devised" to the horrible mix we already have.

By the way, you might be interested to know that Boeing built boats used by smugglers during Prohibition.
 
 
0 # majorpayne 2011-10-29 11:10
Even the best state tax systems thwart the best of intentions because they are all too complicated and regressive. Ones without an income tax are the worst because it lets misers and even ordinary people above median incomes pay too little into the system.

The only ways rich people in states without an income tax can pay their fair share is to buy and pay sales taxes on more expensive toys from sources within the state and live in mansions. We who live modestly and spend our excess money on foreign travel (as do many retirees) contribute relatively little to the local economy, unless an income tax provides equalization.

What hardly anyone thinks about, however, is that an income tax would do it all. All taxes are paid from someone's income. That's probably the principle behind the "tithe" in the Old Testament!
 
 
+25 # Holyone 2011-10-28 11:46
Get rid of Timothy and the Republicans in the House and Senate on both the State and Federal levels.

Problem solved
 
 
+18 # noitall 2011-10-28 12:01
Poof! so done. It don't work that way Holyone. Get yer ass into the street.
 
 
+31 # noitall 2011-10-28 12:11
Apparently in Iceland, the 99% hasn't totally lost control (or the respect [spelled f-e-a-r] of) their elected leaders. Check out recent happenings. The Pres' so-called jobs bill. What a laugh. The super committee's solutions...quick pull the knife out and shove it in somewhere else, the pain is going away. Super Committee my ass. We are a long way from sending any message to our "leaders". Our target has to change. We have to occupy the local and national offices of our "Representatives ". They are the ones who should be representing the ideas of the 99%. That is what democracy is about. These guys are looking at our demonstrations with 'silent' "support", wanting us to believe that they feel our pain. BS they 'retire' to security and a higher life style than they had when they became "public servants". How many servants can make that claim as they pick up the poop of the master's dog. These "STARS" are OUR Public Servants...period. They are there to carry out our demands not to decide which master they will follow. Get out in the street!
 
 
+24 # grouchy 2011-10-28 11:54
This very nasty situation can serve us by showing how the banks and other corporations totally own us.

Super bravo to Iceland! But it could never happen here.
 
 
+4 # daveapostles 2011-10-28 11:57
There's maybe a difference: government re-capitalising the banks, without strings; and the state taking some ownership in the banks (depending on what it does with that ownership). I supported the UK government taking a large stake in Northern Rock, RBS and Lloyds, but it has been disappointing what the governments have (not) done with that influence.
On Iceland, well, all well and good for the Icelanders, but the governments in the UK and Netherlands had to reimburse savers and investors who had lost money in the collapse of the Icelandic banks. We await compensation. Those savers and investors were reckless in investing in the Icelandic banks, but we taxpayers here have had to rescue them from loss of their investments and savings.
 
 
+12 # LiberalLibertarian 2011-10-28 11:59
There may have been another way. The bank bailout was a way to avoid economic disaster, but there could have been requirements attached to the money. Much in the way the IMF puts conditions on a sovereign nation when it bails them out. Or when a bank will make a collateral backed $350K loan on the condition that a $500 deposit be explained.

For every dollar that has been lent out. both good and bad investments; the bailout money must be distributed back to the customers.

Just think how many people may not have lost their homes. How many people, lucky enough to still have a job, will have more money to invigorate the economy.

We all keep forgetting that banks exist to facilitate a healthy economy. In a organic sense they are the heart and money is the blood. When the banks hold all the money, there is no blood pumping through the system and death is sure to follow.
Our economy suffered a heart attack in 2009. The cure kept the heart beating, but the only cure is stimulate the blood flow.

The IMF and the US Right Wing is all about applying leeches to suck out the "bad" blood. How has that worked out? Would you agree to leech therapy if you had a heart attack?

I didn't think so.
 
 
+16 # readerz 2011-10-28 12:55
They don't think. They have their little derivative formulas that are designed to make a very few people a very lot of money, but they have no concept, no idea, that they make that money on the backs of millions of people. Funny thing how many of those derivatives people are from Harvard or Columbia; where is the "academic integrity?" I would question any institution that produced so many doctors that killed so many patients.
 
 
+2 # majorpayne 2011-10-29 10:45
You are exactly right. The engineering profession has the same problem with lazy "cookbook engineers" who just mindlessly look up complicated formulas without regard for how they were derived or for what. The bridges, airplanes, and buildings that fall down are minor disasters compared to "derivative little formulas" used by ethically challenged pied pipers on Wall Street.
 
 
+3 # noitall 2011-10-28 14:55
" Much in the way the IMF puts conditions on a sovereign nation when it bails them out." THEY ARE the IMF, so they know, but what is good for the goose... They use that ploy of entrapment to clear the way for the likes of Haliberton, and that ilk to cheat and rob that nation with the backing and guns of the USA...US. If that don't work, they get Sadamed or Ghadaffi'd (and soon Chavezed). We as Americans have allowed this for years (cheap gas, etc. remember?), now those tactics are being used on us. All we had to do was wait. The ducks are in a row. Heaven, if you believe in that, help us. Personally I think if RAPTURE is what you're counting on, you'll be busting rocks with the rest of us.
 
 
+4 # readerz 2011-10-28 16:14
That's a good one. Who will experience the "rapture?" Certainly not the rich who have drained the resources from everybody else. In the 1930s, they weren't flying to heaven either, but they were jumping out of windows to the earth.
 
 
+2 # futhark 2011-10-28 21:01
Noitall, thanks for identifying the next boogieman that threatens our democracy and "American way of life". First the Soviet bloc collapses, so we have to go after the Muslims, with whom we previously had peacefully coexisted. Now the Muslims are "shaping up", at least in some countries, so the Military-Industrial Complex has to search out a new target for public fear-mongering, so Congress can keep voting a fat "defense" budget. Venezuela's Chavez is a likely target, being something of a leftist, whatever that means, and posing no real threat to American hegemony.

Raise your hand if you ever felt threatened by a Communist, a Muslim, or Hugo Chavez! Just as I thought...maybe the American people are starting to wise up to the constant barrage of hate propaganda being spewed out by the Manipulative Media.
 
 
0 # Michael_K 2011-10-31 14:10
Let me ask you something... If the Government bails out a Bank for a crapulous bond issue amalgamating thousands of fraudulently sold mortgages, then no one owes money on those mortgages, right? So why the foreclosures? Why not simply reschedule payments directly to the new lender, the government? Why allow these assholes to perpetrate new frauds in foreclosures?
 
 
+26 # Carolyn 2011-10-28 12:05
The way to resolve the financial crisis has already been invented, by FDR. We could insist that Congress pass FDR's Glass-Steagall -- over Obama's veto. the days are grow short.
 
 
+5 # noitall 2011-10-28 14:56
"Insist" away my friend. That and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee.
 
 
+10 # readerz 2011-10-28 16:16
Hey, if we all "Occupied" our Representatives ' offices for a couple of days, they might hear the insistence. In D.C., the lobbyists pay people to stand in line for them to see the Representatives ; but people with real ideas could do the same thing (unpaid), and then insist. Yes, including the Republican Representatives , just to tie up their time if nothing else.
 
 
+4 # Billy Bob 2011-10-29 04:54
BRILLIANT IDEA!
 
 
+2 # majorpayne 2011-10-29 10:23
Occupying anything is a lost cause. Organized groups have demonstrated outside my Congressman's offices for years, and he still votes against, or just ignores, potential reforms like public campaign financing and expanded and improved Medicare (H.R. 676).

One of my Senators gave a pretty speech about public campaign financing a couple of years ago at a banquet attended by several hundred people, but she has been unwilling or unable to do anything to bring it about. In the last few weeks, I have received at least three pleas for donations from her.

I am now telling ALL of my elected representatives something like this: "If you aren't smart enough to get elected without my donations, you aren't smart enough to serve the taxpayers who pay your salary in Congress (or the state legislature, or the county government). If you accept corporate donations, then I will watch and know who you work for."
 
 
-7 # sandyboy 2011-10-28 12:13
And yet. Sounds good, let em go bust, but what about the ordinary folks who have savings in those banks? Sure, Iceland said screw the banks. A lot of Brits had savings in those banks and only got their $ back as far as I know cos the Iceland govt was made to pay up - which presumably cost ordinary Icelandic taxpayers. Nothing is simple.
 
 
+11 # Texas Aggie 2011-10-28 12:34
You missed a lot in your story. Ordinary folks who have savings in the bank don't have over $100,000 (paying 0.2% interest) which is the maximum that the FDIC will pay in case of bank failure so they would lose nothing.
 
 
+1 # readerz 2011-10-28 16:19
Most of the accounts that the banks "sell" are not FDIC insured. I heard an ad on the radio from Key Bank that bragged that none of its investment "opportunities" are FDIC insured. But if you want the safer FDIC, and you have more than it will insure in one bank, then spread your accounts to several banks. That is legal, and you will get all your money back. Those are lower-interest investments, but as Michael Moore said, it doesn't pay to play the stock market.
 
 
0 # majorpayne 2011-10-29 12:13
I usually agree with Michael Moore, but generalizations such as the one you quoted are rarely "scientific laws." Do you remember Peter Lynch, former manager of the hugely successful Fidelity Magellan mutual fund back in the 70s and 80s? His rule: "Invest in what you know." After he moved on to other pursuits, the fund went downhill precipitously. I'm not even interested in looking it up now, because I am investing in two individual, very solid NYSE-listed companies that consistently pay 15 to 18 percent dividends, and I don't have any more money left to "play the market."
 
 
+3 # readerz 2011-10-28 12:56
Nothing is simple at all: why did the Brits have their money in foreign banks... to make money from foreigners? Banks should not be doing that at all.
 
 
+9 # Gord84 2011-10-28 12:36
Bank deposits are guaranteed by US' bank deposit insurance. The little guy is protected
 
 
+1 # noitall 2011-10-28 14:58
If only we lived in that world. Read about the Federal Reserve. There are many ways to lose your $$. Osmosis?
 
 
+1 # readerz 2011-10-28 16:22
It depends in what place you deposit your bank money: not every "investment opportunity" sold by a bank is covered by the FDIC (Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation). Double check what sort of CD or other "investment opportunity" you have, and which bank it is in. Not all banks use FDIC for ANY of their accounts.
 
 
+18 # Erdajean 2011-10-28 12:57
Since the rise of Reagan and the unconditional love of Money, the place of the people in our national hierarchy has plummeted right before our eyes. In the ever-harder pursuit of a "decent" living, we grew weak and weary and dumb. Our "chosen" leaders were just too depressing to watch, so the ever-more crass vulgarity of "entertainment" became our diversion. We fell asleep at the throttle of a five-engine freight. "Crash" has been inevitable. For as always, Greed has been wide awake and working overtime -- against the better interests of everything else.
Were it not for the Army of Conscience marching in our streets right now, we would be one hopeless lot. If a majority will wake and join them, we will pull out of this mess. Survival of democracy will require a new, uncorrupted Congress working under new, uncorrupted rules; a throw-out makeover of our courts; a less vulnerable elections system; a fair and just tax code -- and above all, our attention. Freedom does not thrive on ignorance and neglect.
 
 
+10 # noitall 2011-10-28 15:03
So right! and it will take a SUPER MAJORITY in the streets. Who was it that said it, Zinn, Chomsky? If Americans were as knowledgable of politics and politicians as they are of sports and athletes, we'd have a healthy Democracy. Most don't even understand why people are in the street. To be inconvenienced by getting into the street, one must have some basic understanding of TODAY, not what yesterday was like. The times, they are a changing and not for the better. The GREEDY have their ducks all in a row. Ours is cooked unless we get a critical mass into the street.
 
 
+6 # readerz 2011-10-28 16:27
And don't forget, there is an election coming, about local issues and candidates, but some of those are important and "send a message." In Ohio, for example, VOTE NO ON ISSUE 2. (Voting NO will still allow police, firefighters, and teachers to negotiate for more of them, and for their wages. Some people don't know that the unions want to keep the police, firefighters, and teachers doing their jobs and hire more, not raise our taxes.) So, on November 8th, go TO THE STREETS AND VOTE.
 
 
+5 # tclose 2011-10-28 17:08
The article here, as abridged, doesn't do justice to Prof. Krugman's original in the NYT - suggest readers go to that link to read the whole piece. It gives the context of Iceland as an example of how not bailing out banks that engaged in irresponsible behavior can work to the overall benefit of the country (i.e. the average Joe).
 
 
+2 # Rick Levy 2011-10-28 17:43
Economics is usually an abstruse topic for me. But Krugman's succinct style makes the subject a lot clearer. This essay is one of the his best.
 
 
0 # stonecutter 2011-10-28 23:43
Obviously, Krugman's heart and mind is in the right place, but he's like a time traveler from FDR's Council of Economic Advisers, if such a brain trust existed in 1936. Today, we have Bill Maher, of all people, chatting amiably with Grover Norquist, the Darth Sidious of the "Empire of the One Percent".

Maher seems blithely convinced that engaging this draconian little dweeb in "civil discourse" about the rape and pillage of the 99%-and the late 19th century, Social Darwinistic magical thinking about no tax increases on the rich, ever again, no matter what-somehow burnishes his, Maher's, truly libertarian credentials. No pusillanimous sniveling little Democrat ally, he.

Instead, it makes for truly nauseating television, watching a putative progressive hero make nice with an Abramoff clone whose slime factor is off the charts, and sounds like he dreams about forbidden trysts with "Ronnie" Reagan, the Movie and Conservative Superstar. Bill: really lousy show.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we've got Dr. Krugman using Iceland--Iceland!--as a role model for attacking America's descent into corporate fascism. If this isn't scraping the bottom of the analogy barrel, maybe Finland or Luxemburg is a better fit?
 
 
+5 # majorpayne 2011-10-29 09:47
There's nothing at all wrong with using Iceland as a role model. After all, it's working!

So is Canada a good role model. None of its banks went bust because they weren't allowed to engage in the unethical practices that nearly brought the U.S. and Europe to ruin.

Check out little Slovakia, which told Europe "No dice" in helping to bail out Greece. Its economy is in good shape in comparison to most of the EU. So is neighboring Estonia, which is now enjoying the highest rate of GDP growth in Europe.

Brazil is another good example of a country that told Bush and company to go to hell and went its own way.

The Gold Standard is the bloc of Scandinavian countries that never joined the EU and have the highest standards of living and the best "quality of life" in the world. If they weren't so darn cold, I would move there myself.
 
 
+8 # Paul Scott 2011-10-29 10:36
There has not been a banking crash in this nation, since 1907, that republican policy did not cause. History tells the story but republicans don't read they listen to other republicans.

Furthermore, to watch politicians bail out their greedy campaign supporters, with the people’s tax money; is a lesson in corruption 101. To believe the politician, when he/she says it is necessary, is stupidity 101.
 
 
0 # Michael_K 2011-10-31 14:04
Obviously, bad investments must be allowed to wreak their own built-in punishment with the large predatory banks. As to the other portions of these debts, they are for the large part self-cancelling as against each other.

Let's not allow ourselves to be manipulated here. The demise of Goldman, or Citi, or SocGen, will leave a very short-lived vacuum, to be quickly filled by others, as it will be a great opportunity to do things properly, for a real "change we can believe in"
 

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