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Taliban Resemble Successful Insurgencies

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Sunday, 25 April 2010 16:35
A US Marine stands guard in a Qalanderabad, Afghanistan, poppy field, 03/22/09. (photo: John Moore/Getty Images)

A US Marine stands guard in a Qalanderabad, Afghanistan, poppy field, 03/22/09. (photo: John Moore/Getty Images)


SM reports on a RAND study by Ben Connable and Martin Libicki of 89 major insurgencies in the 20th century and early 21st, and what they might tell us about the likelihood of Obama succeeding in Afghanistan.

Connable found that weak governments prevail militarily against insurgencies only 10 percent of the time.

RAND's own news release and link to the full study is here.

Among the findings are that modern insurgencies go on for about a decade, and the longer they continue the more likely it is that the government will find a way to defeat them.

Where an insurgency has external state support, loss of that outside help is often fatal to the uprising.

Where the government attempting to face down the insurgency claims to be a democracy, in those instances where it is really only a pseudo-democracy it often proves unable to defeat its foe.

Where the insurgency has a safe area to which it can retreat at will, that external base of operations helps it prevail.

Where insurgents can learn to be careful not to kill innocents, they have a better chance of coming to power.

The Taliban and other Afghan insurgents look like winners in this scenario.

This conclusion in part lies behind Tom Englehardt's impassioned plea for the US to just withdraw from Afghanistan.

It seems clear that NATO is planning a withdrawal. Although abandoned governments often fall, so too do those perceived as puppets.

You couldn't have a more pseudo-democracy than that in Afghanistan. The president, Karzai, stole the presidential elections last August-October. The ministries are inefficient and riddled with corruption.

Based on this historical study, you'd have to admit that things don't look good for Obama's grand toss of the dice in Afghanistan.


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Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute.

 

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+1 # RICHARDKANEpa 2010-04-25 20:10
One problem, we are not supposed to be at war with the Taliban but with al Qaeda. Joan Cole, you and Obama have engaged in what President Obama called mission creep.

Supposedly the US made an advance against al Qaeda when the top Taliban supporting warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar complied with the original US demand renounced and threatened to arrest al Qaeda members who might come into his section of Northern Afghanistan. But ironically now either peace or victory seems still further away.

Details,
http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/21-war/1581-no-way-out-of-afghan-war-unless-the-us-owns-up-to-grim-choices
 
 
+4 # Guest 2010-04-26 07:26
The only thing that can come of this pentagon adventure (at the blessing of a corporate bought Congress, financed by dysfunctional war mongering profiteers) is what Donald Rumsfeld said when he was Secretary of Defense. He said "It creates jobs!" This came from a confirmed draft dodger and coward during the time his country needed him at the time. But it was the he 8 or 9 times draft dodger, Dick Cheney, and GW Bush who topped by deserting his National Guard post during the Vietnam War.

They the true guilty ones why the US has degraded into moral, economic and financial decay.
 
 
+6 # Guest 2010-04-26 03:51
It's interesting that the dots to the problem with the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and bin Laden, all go to G.H.W.Bush who boosted them up to be used for his agenda. One was to force bin Laden to put in the oil pipe line, and when refused the Taliban/al Qaeda was to step in, but it backfired, just like the Saddam/ Kuwaiti deal. The reason for the illegal invasion of Iraq, the destruction of the Middle East, and the hate spread though out the world against Arabs. I still don't believe 9/11 was done by thoes to blamed, and wonder why Israel has so much control over the United States?
 
 
+3 # Guest 2010-04-26 08:52
You can't fight a war against al qaeda, they have no power center and no tangible infrastructure.

This is one of Bush's wars, and Obama has taken it over. Its time to end the charade and give this country back to the Taliban, the rightful ruling power of the country.

We have zero business interfering militarily. We should be ashamed of all leadership that proliferates this type of war. It should be left solely in the hands of the international community. Any involvement on our end should involve counter insurgency financing and the CIA only. It is plain as day for those that choose to see the light.

Otherwise you suit up and leave our boys and girls at home.
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-27 02:55
The Rand Corporation must be applauded for rendering a paper that is bound to displease it's conservative supporters. Clearly a value of truth over expediency or political correctness is evident, so congratulations are in order.

So, Washington, can we get our s**t together and just call it a day and bring our troops home? Do you really, really believe that you can defeat Afghanistan's liberation fighters...oops, I mean insurgents? Is the loss of even one more soldier worth the odds stacked against us? You do know, don't you, that if we wagered on our loosing the war there a lot of us would make a killing?
 
 
0 # Guest 2010-04-30 17:37
Was just listening to James Zumwalt talking of the Vietnamese--who, he said, "had resistance written into their DNA." Made me think of the Afghans. Not too long ago a wise and elderly Afghan, now living in America, told me with a smile: "You might wonder what my people are good for. Let me tell you: When it comes to resisting invaders, we are the all-time world champions. That's what we Afghans do!" I believe him. We are not going to stabilize Afghanistan at the point of a gun.
 
 
+1 # Guest 2010-05-07 16:14
There are a lot of Afghans who would not welcome the return of the Taliban; for them the Pushtuns are nearly as much outsiders as we are. I also can not forget the absolute repression of women under the Taliban government.

Having helped destabilize the country through the 80s and abandoned the people as soon as the USSR left, I think we have a bit of a moral obligation. It is conditioned on two factors:

1) The locals want our help and approve of our actions (I mean the villages and tribes, not the central government).

2) There is a real prospect that our presence improves the situation and has some prospect of success in providing greater security and self-determination for the people.

I think giving the US and NATO forces another year to see if they can change the momentum is worthwhile.
 

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