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Intro: "Not only is Social Security on the chopping block in order to respond to Republican extortion. So is Medicare. But Medicare isn't the nation's budgetary problems. It's the solution. The real problem is the soaring costs of health care that lie beneath Medicare. They're costs all of us are bearing in the form of soaring premiums, co-payments, and deductibles. Medicare offers a means of reducing these costs - if Washington would let it."

Portrait, Robert Reich, 08/16/09. (photo: Perian Flaherty)
Portrait, Robert Reich, 08/16/09. (photo: Perian Flaherty)



Medicare Is the Solution, Not the Problem

By Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog

23 July 11

 

ot only is Social Security on the chopping block in order to respond to Republican extortion. So is Medicare.

But Medicare isn't the nation's budgetary problems. It's the solution. The real problem is the soaring costs of health care that lie beneath Medicare. They're costs all of us are bearing in the form of soaring premiums, co-payments, and deductibles.

Medicare offers a means of reducing these costs - if Washington would let it.

Let me explain.

Americans spend more on health care per person than any other advanced nation and get less for our money. Yearly public and private healthcare spending is $7,538 per person. That's almost two and a half times the average of other advanced nations.

Yet the typical American lives 77.9 years - less than the average 79.4 years in other advanced nations. And we have the highest rate of infant mortality of all advanced nations.

Medical costs are soaring because our health-care system is totally screwed up. Doctors and hospitals have every incentive to spend on unnecessary tests, drugs, and procedures.

You have lower back pain? Almost 95% of such cases are best relieved through physical therapy. But doctors and hospitals routinely do expensive MRI's, and then refer patients to orthopedic surgeons who often do even more costly surgery. Why? There's not much money in physical therapy.

Your diabetes, asthma, or heart condition is acting up? If you go to the hospital, 20 percent of the time you're back there within a month. You wouldn't be nearly as likely to return if a nurse visited you at home to make sure you were taking your medications. This is common practice in other advanced countries. So why don't nurses do home visits to Americans with acute conditions? Hospitals aren't paid for it.

America spends $30 billion a year fixing medical errors - the worst rate among advanced countries. Why? Among other reasons because we keep patient records on computers that can't share the data. Patient records are continuously re-written on pieces of paper, and then re-entered into different computers. That spells error.

Meanwhile, administrative costs eat up 15 to 30 percent of all healthcare spending in the United States. That's twice the rate of most other advanced nations. Where does this money go? Mainly into collecting money: Doctors collect from hospitals and insurers, hospitals collect from insurers, insurers collect from companies or from policy holders.

A major occupational category at most hospitals is "billing clerk." A third of nursing hours are devoted to documenting what's happened so insurers have proof.

Trying to slow the rise in Medicare costs doesn't deal with any of this. It will just limit the amounts seniors can spend, which means less care. As a practical matter it means more political battles, as seniors - whose clout will grow as boomers are added to the ranks - demand the limits be increased. (If you thought the demagoguery over "death panels" was bad, you ain't seen nothin' yet.)

Paul Ryan's plan - to give seniors vouchers they can cash in with private for-profit insurers - would be even worse. It would funnel money into the hands of for-profit insurers, whose administrative costs are far higher than Medicare.

So what's the answer? For starters, allow anyone at any age to join Medicare. Medicare's administrative costs are in the range of 3 percent. That's well below the 5 to 10 percent costs borne by large companies that self-insure. It's even further below the administrative costs of companies in the small-group market (amounting to 25 to 27 percent of premiums). And it's way, way lower than the administrative costs of individual insurance (40 percent). It's even far below the 11 percent costs of private plans under Medicare Advantage, the current private-insurance option under Medicare.

In addition, allow Medicare - and its poor cousin Medicaid - to use their huge bargaining leverage to negotiate lower rates with hospitals, doctors, and pharmaceutical companies. This would help move health care from a fee-for-the-most-costly-service system into one designed to get the highest-quality outcomes most cheaply.

Estimates of how much would be saved by extending Medicare to cover the entire population range from $58 billion to $400 billion a year. More Americans would get quality health care, and the long-term budget crisis would be sharply reduced.

Let me say it again: Medicare isn't the problem. It's the solution.


[This is drawn from a post I did in April, also before current imbroglio.]


Robert Reich is Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley. He has served in three national administrations, most recently as secretary of labor under President Bill Clinton. He has written thirteen books, including "The Work of Nations," "Locked in the Cabinet," "Supercapitalism" and his latest book, "AFTERSHOCK: The Next Economy and America's Future." His 'Marketplace' commentaries can be found on publicradio.com and iTunes.

 

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+67 # artful 2011-07-23 08:06
But Dr.Reich,the issue isn't really about cost per se. With republicans today, the issue is politics. Medicare and Social security are programs enacted by Democrats and claimed by them as real solutions to real problams being faced by the middle class. Republicans hate that. They do not care about the reality, only the politics. Mr. Boehner cares exclusively about denying Obama's re-election and about sustaining the voting bloc power he now possesses, so that he can do the bidding of his owners. You are arguing objectively, as though facts mattered to republicans.
They don't care.
 
 
+20 # Robert Hendricks 2011-07-23 08:30
As a new Medicare / Blue Cross Blue Shield enrollee, I have noticed another problem.

For the last 30 years I was with an HMO and sort of oblivious of medical costs. That has changed. It now seems clear to me that "the system" (Medicare and BCBS) are charged exorbitant prices for services. A simple blood test for tyroid cost $1,300. After paying for the doctors visit, 70$ per 1/2 second shot of liquid nitrogen skin treatment. Five minutes amounted to $500!

If one objects to some of the charges, they look at you in wonder. Didn't the insurance cover it they ask? Was there no cost to you they ask? What is the problem? The doctor clans he does not know know is fees. The for desk does not know the fees. Some office hundreds of miles away.

The medical cost problems in the doctors offices.
 
 
+27 # Beth Sager 2011-07-23 10:23
A Wisconsin congressman is proposing a bill to the US Congress that pharmaceutical companies no longer pay other drug makers to NOT produce their drug when the patent runs out. In other words, when a brand name drug's patent is up, the patent holder pays companies who make generic drugs NOT to produce this drug so they can continue charges a hundred or a thousand times what a generic would cost. This may be one of the reasons why an injection would cost so much.
 
 
+2 # Dorian Brown 2011-07-23 16:30
The problem is NOT in the doctor's office. Medical doctors are being paid paltry amounts by Medicare. The problem is with the Insurance and pharmaceutical companies who continue to make huge amounts of money and the GOVERNMENT!
 
 
-1 # bob4healthcare 2011-07-25 03:23
Quoting
... doctors are being paid paltry amounts by Medicare. The problem is with the Insurance and pharmaceutical companies ... and the GOVERNMENT!


By golly, you made me consider that there might be a fourth of what I call "bureaucracy". I had only been communicating three, as listed here:
http://mforall.org/p/791

Nonetheless, when we reduce the size of the bureaucracy, including the government's, and its unnecessary administrative costs we will still need to have a separate public agency to run as our "single-payer" ... which will need to be set up by the government under the guidance of people who represent the average American. That public agency must be run separately from having the day-to-day debates and micromanagement and/or corporation-influenced decision-making that the politicians sometimes conduct. It will be a challenge to get there, but that's out of the picture for now. First we must inform the average American what the subject is:
Explanation ....
--- http://mforall.org/p/976
Comparison to current Mecicare ...
--- http://mforall.org/p/852
and get them to start communicating in a unified, consistent, regular way that will be stronger than the opposition's lobbyists and media. We do that by our numbers.
-- Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate
 
 
+50 # boomer chick 2011-07-23 08:34
Could you dive into the fray again, Dr. Reich? Could you serve again perhaps in Congress?

In these times "we the people" desperately need solutions-based thinking in representative office.

It's a shame the majority in the House caters to the insurance/pharma empire. They're holding up movement toward all healthcare solutions similar to yours which would literally preserve lives and lift our affected populations into decent standards of living.
 
 
+31 # J.Lindsley 2011-07-23 08:40
What we really need is a direct switch of all medical to a single payer system allready existing in Medicare and medicaid.
The blockage is, of course, the Insurance Companies making out like bandits,{they are bandits!}and will fight to our death the changing of that Golden Goose Egg.

BTW: what would the number of jobs be lost in Insurance Business IF we did switch to single payer and the side effects of that?
 
 
+23 # brianf 2011-07-23 10:52
Any jobs lost in the insurance industry would be made up for many times over. When people stop having to pay such huge amounts for insurance and/or medical care, they will have much more to spend on other things, and the entire economy would benefit. Also, Medicare would have to hire more people, which would replace some of the lost jobs (not all, because Medicare is so much more efficient). And more people would get the medical care they needed, early, when it's easiest to treat. That would lower overall medical costs, creating a healthier workforce. This would help the economy in so many ways.
 
 
+4 # Wade 2011-07-23 14:30
brianf... we don't want to spend it on other stuff. The other stuff we currently consume is already too much for the environment. We don't need to consume to create more jobs... we can simply share the jobs that exist right now. The savings can be put into our families increasing their investments. OUr families will be healthier if they don't need to work so much.
 
 
+2 # J.Lindsley 2011-07-23 16:09
You just made the end of my day!
Not only for the information, but the positive attitude implicit behind the info.
Sometimes I find keeping a handle on the positive when I spend hours a day fighting the inroads the bad politicians have us traveling. Talk about failing infrastructure!
 
 
+3 # soularddave 2011-07-23 19:45
Quoting
what would the number of jobs be lost in Insurance Business IF we did switch to single payer and the side effects of that?


Ahhh, cut them out, and you've cut out the waste. Isn't that what the politicians campaign on? Sorry.
 
 
+1 # Dale R. Gowin 2011-07-25 10:59
A single payer system is the obvious solution. The insurance companies are a parasitic growth on the body politic that must be surgically removed. Medical service providers should simply provide medical services to whoever needs them, and they should be compensated by fair salaries established through collective bargaining.
 
 
+21 # Frank Ettenberg 2011-07-23 08:41
It has become tragically unreal in the nation's capitol. I have never seen a more corrupt and venal set of legislators in my whole life. There seems to be no reasoning with them anymore and the democrats , including Obama, are tragically trying to cater to their insanity. Maybe the only solution would be that the uSA actually goes into default. I do think there might be a revolution when and if that happens. And..such a result would more or less guarantee world-wide depression. American leadership is just about over. If the folks don't wake up in D.C. it'll all come to a crashing halt on August 2nd.
 
 
+23 # Marina Baker 2011-07-23 09:20
Medicare, Medicaid and all other Supplemental Insurances are very weak or non existent in supporting "wellness" healthcare. Because the phamra/insurance companies control the amounts the public pays for services, they want to continue to perpetrate the belief in "sickness," because this "insures" them that they will be able to capitalize on chronic "sickness." This monopoly makes "wellness" practices very expensive and mostly unaffordable for low income and middle class people who know the difference and really want to get well! It's a huge scam all around!
 
 
+16 # reiverpacific 2011-07-23 09:21
D'accord Dr. Reich!
The weakness of Medicare is that, if you want part 'B' (doctor visits) $110.00 is deducted from S.S. It then climbs as a monthly cost if you want part 'C' (prescription drug coverage) THEN it all gets turned over to big-pharma and/or AARP -same thing- "Supplemental" coverage for the co-pays and other all-too-easily accrued costs.
This is fine if you have employment or income other than S.S. but has anybody over (even) 50 tried to get a job of any kind these days??? -Or as in my case, as self-employed Architect/Potter/Musician in a "jobless recovery" and the resultant domino effect of what people without jobs, diminishing unemployment benefits and even less employment prospects, will part with a few bucks to acquire or experience?
Medicare, MEDICAID and S.S. SHOULD BE STRENGTHENED AND REINFORCED. This also goes for the VA, who are supposed to take care of wounded (physically AND mentally) military vets a.k.a., former cannon fodder for the corporate state!
This could so easily be done at the expense of the Pentagon, Black Budget, Prison Construction and Bank bailouts.
They create nothing and destroy much inside and outside the Fragmented States of America! The term "Defense Department" rather than it's true title, the "Seek, or Create an Enemy, Then Destroy Department", is delusional!
 
 
+14 # Alturn 2011-07-23 09:32
Medicare and social security are basically one of the main reasons why you have government - to pool your resources to get a better deal and better quality of life than if you were left to your own devices. They are also the best examples today of implementation in the real world of a great principle that governs the entire cosmos - that of sharing. As an elder brother among us has said, "My Teaching, simple though it is, will show you the necessity for sharing, for the creation of a pool of resources from which all men may take, the substitution for greed of co-operation and trust, the manifestation of the inner divinity of men. This manifestation, My friends, must proceed, for without it, the future for man would be black indeed."
 
 
+7 # shagar 2011-07-23 15:50
Sharing. What a concept! Why is it so simple to understand on a person to person basis, and yet so warped and contemptible on a political one? I speak of course of the unmentionable ie. socialism. From north of the border we watch these debates and discussions play out year after year among you, south of the 49th, and every year its seems more desperate and tragic. We watch with dismay as you try try try to reinvent a wheel that is running very smoothly elsewhere, and listen with disbelief at the lies and distortions that are told about our various systems of healthcare. Reich makes sense, and yet sense seems the furthest thing from the minds of your political class. perhaps a warrior culture can no longer see let alone contemplate the meaning of health when its modus operendii seems so steadfastly devoted to the sickness of war. The solution friends, lies deep within you, and begins with the concept of sharing. Sharing the pain AND sharing the profits. We are only as well as the least of us, just as we are only as free as the least free of us. But hey, don't mind me, just a socialist provocateur from one of the other democracies. Nothing to be learned up here. Carry on.
 
 
+2 # GravityWave 2011-07-23 16:33
America is all about collective bargaining. People against collective bargaining are un-American.

People who sign lists of things they will do when elected are un-American.

American needs to be flexible, grow, move, adapt and the list signers are signing our American future away with this bit of outlandish idiocy.

These rigid, anti-intellectual, fearful, carbon copies are all the things America does not need. They will turn America into an anthill of cast and economic barriers and turn Americans into ants like themselves
 
 
+11 # m 2011-07-23 09:35
Unfortunately, in our Corporate-Run WHACKY vs WIMPY Congress- Problems are the Solutions--- for the Global Corporate World's Agenda.
 
 
+11 # Janet F 2011-07-23 09:38
One of the big problems that no one mentions is the growing segment of doctors who completely refuse to take patients who use Medicare. They state that they are not reimbursed enough to cover their costs, and they threaten that either they will create proprietary lists of subscribing patients (who pay a steady income to the doctor of something like $150 a month all year long whether there is any care or not) or they will retire. These are primary care doctors who hate Medicare (yes, Medicare, not Medicaid, cause they don't touch Medicaid) enough to just leave their practice completely. I personally cannot afford a doctor (and see a nurse practitioner only rarely), but I worry about the situation if I should need a doctor.
 
 
+17 # brianf 2011-07-23 10:54
If we had Medicare for all, no doctor would refuse to see patients who use Medicare. Problem solved.
 
 
+8 # coolonion 2011-07-23 11:44
And if everyone could buy in at any time, Medicare would be strengthened and doctors would be fully reimbursed, just as they are with private insurance (and without the hassle of fighting insurance companies for payment).
 
 
+2 # GravityWave 2011-07-23 16:51
And Medicare and -caid would both cost some where below where they are now if the right people were doing the right jobs.

Doctors should be controlling what patients need and giving it to them. Accountants should be keeping the records, billing, trucking to deliver the right medical implements and drugs to the right place at the right time. They should see that the bldgs are built to doctor specifications, clean the bldg., doing bldg. maintenance, and paying the bills. They have no business between us and our doctors.
 
 
+3 # GravityWave 2011-07-23 17:05
Thats right. We need the single-payer system we tried to get to begin.

There is a Democrat, Senator Ron Wyden and Republican and Republican, Scott Brown have a bill, endorsed by Barack Omaba, to allow states "allows states to offer alternative health care systems that preempt the federal health reform law, provided they make the case that the proposed system can match the universal coverage and cost goals laid out by the ACA."
And Dennis Kucinich has offered an amendment to some bill that would help us get a single-payer plan.

Some of the Democrats have forgotten who they or are in league with corporate money, But not all.
 
 
+7 # brianf 2011-07-23 11:00
What Reich is saying is so obviously true that it shows how completely out of touch with reality Washington has become (especially Congress, especially the Republicans, but also most Democrats). Another thing that shows this is that Congress is doing nothing to fight global warming, despite the fact that it is our most urgent and biggest threat. If this doesn't change soon, then in a few decades it won't matter whether we have Medicare for all. All of our institutions will break down under the strain. We will be very lucky to survive at all.
 
 
0 # GravityWave 2011-07-23 17:07
Not 'most' Democrats. And if you want to do something to help, get out on the street corner and yell!
 
 
+2 # Wolfchen 2011-07-24 13:33
Medicare For All...Single Payer system. There's no need for insurance companies to be in the equation.

It's amazing that so-called conservatives aren't able to figure this approach will benefit America at large...even their miserable excuses for humanity.
 
 
+5 # jwb110 2011-07-23 09:55
Another unspoken agenda for the Republicans is to kill off as many Baby Boomers as quickly as possible. They see the Boomer as a drag on the economy. What better way to do that then to give the Boomers increasingly inferior medical care.
The Boomer voter bloc is not to be dallied with and the GOP see no other way to control it then with their "death panel" of cutting Medicare.
 
 
+10 # Beth Sager 2011-07-23 10:31
They saw this problem coming a long time ago. It's doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out ten years ago the baby boomers would all start aging at the same time in ten years. Duh! You are right JW, but there is power in numbers. The problems is that some people aren't educated enough to join the ones who do know the truth. Some people actually think the insurance companies are in business to help people! I worked for 25 years in the provider side and the insurance side (holding a masters in HC administration) , and I definitely preferred the provider side.
 
 
+3 # GravityWave 2011-07-23 17:28
It's not just the Baby Boomers, it is all elderly, disabled, anyone passed the age to be a first class consumer.

But their ignorance won't let them do anything about birth control, aide to women with children to go back to school, stem cell research to let more people lead healthy lives, trash canning the pulluters who cause untold medical problems and disable our children. These people are victims of their own attempts to ruin education in America, do away with science, and to keep anyone from finding out what the rest of the world is doing by keeping their heads out of their bibles.

None of these people should be on our Congress. We are supposed to have separation of church and State. Most of the things holding America back can be traced to our lax laws on this subject. America ranks last in people who understand evolution. We rank with Mexico in school achievement but they will pass us soon. If you think our high school graduates are bumfuddled, look at our college grads.

Look at the gals running for Miss America to see the real dregs. And some of them are ahead of our Congressmen.

We need a National Recall for Congressmen who end up there without passing a qualifying test. We the People should have a vote like the Wisconsiners.
 
 
+9 # enrique 2011-07-23 10:38
Prof. Reich: what you are writing is true and the money-bags know all this. But they don't care about anybody's health, they are out to make money, money, money. In America everything is about making money. The money-bags will fight tooth and nail anything that threatens their respective money making machine, even if it should cost millions of lives.
 
 
+2 # GravityWave 2011-07-23 17:35
These people are as dumb as the Congressmen they have bought. Anytime there is a hugh gulf between haves and have nots, say like one that makes living a misery of pain both mental and physical, with no end in sight, there you have the makings of a revolution.

It would be best to get out in the streets now and avoid the bad, bloody kind. All out! In The Streets! Now!
 
 
+5 # Saberoff 2011-07-23 10:53
Mr. Reich's first sentence about says it all:

"Not only is Social Security on the chopping block in order to respond to Republican extortion."

Why must we wrack our brains to say it more plainly, more succinctly, in hopes of reaching the sleeping masses, when it's down to sixteen words already?

As Americans, are we so frightened, so dense, that we just cannot absorb it? Or are we just too fat and lazy to do anything about it?
 
 
+3 # Susan W 2011-07-23 12:03
The Rs learned a long time ago that scaring the Amerikans was a winning strategy and even the Ds have learned this.

Ignorant people are easily scared into doing the bidding of their masters with no complaints; hence the scare tactics of O when he threatened to not pay SS if this budget thing isn't resolved. That way most people will not criticize what he gives up to placate the Rs because it could have been worse.
 
 
+3 # suzyskier 2011-07-23 11:26
Mr Reich please run for office, we need you right now. You would be such an assett! This country has take a far right turn, hopefully it will start curving back to at least the center (though I would like it to be left of center.) It is possitivley frightening to see the Thugs in Washington pruporting that what they are doing is a refliction of the majority of voters! No it is a pay back to the corporations that contributed to their election campaigns! They are taking their oders from the Koch brothers and Wall Street. We need to wrestle this country back from the3 Abyss !
 
 
+5 # coolonion 2011-07-23 11:43
Can't thank you enough, Dr. Reich, for writing this. I've always bought my own insurance, and over the decades, I've probably spent over $40,000 on one private plan after another. I've stayed healthy (so far), but have had to change plans repeatedly when either my doctor dropped my insurance carrier, or the insurance company changed PPOs, or they just jacked up the price to the point where it was no longer affordable.

Imagine if I had been able to buy in to Medicare when I had my first job, and if everybody like me, not covered by employer insurance did the same thing. Medicare would be more solvent, and my plan would be there when I need it, instead of sucked away into the pocket of some insurance company CEO.

What are we going to do to make Medicare For All a reality?
 
 
-6 # enrique 2011-07-23 12:12
No, you are not too fat and lazy to do anything about it, you are too ignorant, gullible, spineless and especially too gutless, to do anything about it.
 
 
+8 # fhunter 2011-07-23 12:13
This is the speach Obama should have given BEFORE he started on health care.
 
 
+4 # bobby t. 2011-07-23 12:36
above, beth sager stated that drug companies are paying off other drug companies not to make generics. why aren't these company ceo's going to jail? seems against the law, no? maybe not. disgusting if that is true.
what i know is true, is that there is price fixing among drug stores like walgreens, walmart, cvs, budget, etc...last year my drug mailaway plan told me i could not get a generic drug as it was not in the formulary. i asked if they could get it another way. indeed they could they said. it would be 57.80 for ninety pills. i told them i want to check that price locally. i did. every drug store i called had the same price for a generic drug. i then went online to see costcos price. $11....the other day i did the same thing for a friend. he was paying $187 a month for a GENERIC of aricept, an alzeimers drug. every store he called had the same price. i check costco, and the price was 27 dollars for THREE MONTHS PILLS. the problem is not the drug companies. the problem is that sherman anti trust does not seem to apply here. price fixing is going on. the drug companies are selling the drug stores their brand or generics and the drug store is the highway bandit here.
 
 
+3 # GravityWave 2011-07-23 18:02
But you know...that's not price fixing. It's "industry standard." And if you buy that I have a bridge I can sell you cheap. All the truck traffic from Canada has to use this bridge to get to the US to sell things manufactured in Canada.

Believe that?

Industry standard is another word for monopoly
 
 
+6 # bobby t. 2011-07-23 12:40
in mexico and in canada, and in european countries, the government buys the drugs from american companies. they buy in huge volume and the drug companies make a lot in profit. they don't care. they sell the same drugs for a little more here. the drug stores are the ones that jack up the prices. sherman anti trust needs to look at these prices. if they have an exemption from the anti trust, and anti price fixing laws, then the law needs to be changed to stop this in this country. people are dying because they can't afford their medications here.
 
 
-9 # MyKisa 2011-07-23 14:44
before gov man got involved, I paid for two child births at hospitals, saw doctor on my dollar, and bought any and all medications on my on....@ minimum wage.....don`t need no mommie daddy govt
 
 
0 # GravityWave 2011-07-23 18:06
It is not the government who got involved. it is rapacious corporations and pharmaceutical companies.

The govenment only runs Medicare and part of Medicaid.

How did all that work out for you? Did you pay for your kids college. Been to school yourself? Ever travel? How well do you eat? Buy any books? Been to other Continents?
 
 
+4 # chgostan 2011-07-23 15:07
If I had written the health care legislation, it would consist of one page mandating the age of Medicare coverage be lowered by a decade every two years until everyone was covered.
 
 
+1 # GravityWave 2011-07-23 18:10
Great idea. That's something like Obama and the Democrats are trying to do. They could only get it all to be fully implemented by 2014. But some States are requesting to speed that up and let them implement things faster.

Go to whitehouse.gov and tell Obama of your plan and tell him you two want to go faster and that you do not want cuts in Medicare and Medicaid.

Then hit the streets.
 
 
+1 # giraffee2012 2011-07-23 22:41
Lift the CAP - most people pay a % of our wage all our lives. Those who make more than $110K pay that % on only a fraction of their total income.

Besides - I don't want a voucher bc as a single or couple I cannot make a deal with the insurance companies.

The TP/GOP protect all the rich - GE, BodA, all drug companies, google, oil companies, etc.

Thanks to the Supreme court's 2010 UNCONSTIUTIONAL decision to give person hood to big corp -- those big corporations dictate "kill the poor/middle class" and let the rich live off the slaves --- I'm talking to YOU Scalia/Thomas -- who slept with the Koch brothers (probably Murduck too).

Vote 2012 -- vote for anyone not supported by Koch, Murdock -- etc - ALL GOP/TP.

The GOP are overplaying their hands again folks -- and now the Dems are driving in the same lane as the GOP -- IF THEY rob us of SS/Medicare - for any generation.

If they cut the SS/Medicare -- it is the same as not raising the debt ceiling -- BECAUSE we won't be able to afford anything either way.

THEY ARE LYING TO US. Where were the cry babies when Bush went to 2 wars and cut the taxes at same time (+ more crimes - like Part "D")
 
 
+1 # gleeindc 2011-07-24 03:49
Someone using facts to argue Medicare, unfortunately this method seems to have little impact. Yesterday, I was talking to a registered Republican who charged this Administration with wanting to do away with my SS and Medicare (both of which she has received for 19 years). Of course, this is the same person who, during the Healthcare reform debates sat next to me in her doctor's office (with Fox on the waiting room station) and turned to tell me that the Democrats wanted to socialize medicine. Facts, not when they can use spin and lies.
 
 
+1 # kalpal 2011-07-24 11:25
Recently I was bitten by a dog, I stopped at a local emergency room and got 4 stitches, a tetnus shot and one antibiotic pill. The bill was nearly $1,700. It took less than 15 minutes to provide procedures which were billed to at that price.

I was called by a recording and asked to call back in order to discuss a discount and payments. I am still so angry I can't discuss the matter with them. I will do so soon and I will try to restrain myself from discussing my true feelings.
 
 
+2 # Roy 2011-07-24 12:58
The issue is about Republicans getting more money into the pockets of the wealthy campaign contributors. Plus I see a strong Republican hatred for using tax dollars to help anyone monitarily at a disavantage. There philosphy is not about helping anyone but themselves. It's winners take all.
 
 
+2 # CB 2011-07-24 16:48
Private providers and Medicare both exist in the same arena and provide similar services. But the outsized price that is paid for medical services is driven by the private sector. Medicare doesn't collude and raise costs and profit from the current state of affairs, but industry certainly does. That extra ten percent of overhead compounded over decades has brought this country to its knees. Medicare can't be reigned in unless the entire industry is reigned in.
 
 
+1 # reiverpacific 2011-07-26 07:07
Right! Medicare etc are NOT there to make a profit but to provide and administer a service paid for by all working people over their adult lifetimes.
Therein lies the huge difference between public and private sectors.
For profit seems to need to spend 30%-40% -depending on who you refer to, of it's "costs" on admin' (and marketing?) as opposed to singe figure % in public sectors for both the US programs and other national health care in "Civilized" countries.
Why? Because Nat' Health fixes prices of materials and services, whereas the private sector strives for ever-higher profits by their very corporate nature, including obscene salaries for their CEO's.
Hell, if they can sponsor golf tournaments and other major sporting events with their bro's-in-arms, big pharma and big insurance, why can't they be made by legislation, to channel these profits into providing more efficient and affordable services, or better still, pay more taxes to fund sustainable public programs?!
I know, I know, fat chance but note the word "legislate"!
It works elsewhere. In the UK, one can still purchase private health care as an option, or increments thereof for such as a private room for a small extra payment. But the whole point is that EVERYBODY is covered.
By the way, this is the main reason why I have never become a US citizen.
 

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