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Intro: "Ayn Rand is a cult figure for Tea Party types, but if a bad movie gets them reading, they may be surprised by her ideas."

Author and Objectivist philosopher Ayn Rand. (photo: Hulton Archive/NYT/Getty Images)
Author and Objectivist philosopher Ayn Rand. (photo: Hulton Archive/NYT/Getty Images)



The Tea Party and Ayn Rand

By Megan Gibson, The Guardian UK

24 April 11

 

The Tea Party and Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged

Ayn Rand is a cult figure for Tea Party types, but if a bad movie gets them reading, they may be surprised by her ideas.

f Ayn Rand were alive today, would she be a member of the Tea Party?

The controversial writer - whose philosophy, Objectivism, advocates the "virtue of selfishness" - has long been something of a literary hero to American conservatives and the rise of the rightwing populist movement has only worked to increase Rand's popularity.

Tea Party members can't get enough: references to the writer's works appear on their protest signs; political favourites such as Rand Paul namedrop her; and they seem staunchly devoted to promoting the first instalment of the three-part film adaptation of her epic tome, Atlas Shrugged, which opened modestly, if not quietly, last weekend in around 300 theatres across the US. The conservative grassroots group Freedomworks took the helm in promoting the film, sharing the online trailer with its mailing list and hyping the movie's opening day - 15 April, America's tax day.

The low-budget movie with its cast of nobodies received resolutely scathing reviews - it garnered a dismal 7% from critics on Rotten Tomatoes - yet, through conservative support, it still managed to pull in enough revenue to justify expanding the film to more screens. By the end of April, Atlas Shrugged: Part 1 could be on as many as 1,000 screens.

Despite the buzz, rigorous devotees of Objectivism aren't likely to appreciate Atlas's big screen treatment. For the uninitiated, Atlas Shrugged depicts a dystopian US where irrational government officials work with greedy socialist corporate heads to impose draconian regulations and taxes on those who have achieved success through hard work and natural talent. The novel's heroine is Dagny Taggart, an ambitious railroad executive, who teams up with Henry Rearden, an innovative metal manufacturer, to set out to save the country from being crushed by the collectivist government. Along the way, they partake in rambling diatribes about the glory of achievement and the nobility of pursuing greatness. It's rousing stuff - the first time, anyway - until it's belabored again and again throughout the novel. Sound familiar?

The sections of the book that made it into Part 1 certainly seem written directly for current conservative interests, namely that a small section of the population must fight against the oppressive restrictions and heavy taxation of a socialist government. Yet, probe beyond the triteness of Rand's plot and the fragmented rendering of her philosophy, and striking discrepancies between her Objectivism and conservative sentiment become apparent.

Yes, Rand was a staunch advocate of capitalism and limited government. She was also a staunch advocate of abortion rights and sexual hedonism, and an atheist to boot, which her conservative admirers have largely ignored. Rand and her characters maintained that morality wasn't something that could be imposed by outside institutions, rather should be a consequence from individuals acting in their own rational self-interest. Which, obviously, steps way out of line with the thinking of the Tea Party, which encompasses the religious right .

As Jennifer Burns, the author of Goddess of the Market: Ayn Rand and the American Right, has said, today's conservative pundits have found that they "can use the parts of Rand they want to use and not engage the rest". Which is where one of the most glaring incongruities between Tea Partiers and Rand's philosophy appears: Rand, almost above all else, championed the individual over the collective. The notion that a populist movement is using her name and economic philosophies to mobilise their broader political goal is laughable. During her life, Rand was outspoken in her disgust for Republicans, feeling that they were soft on individuals' rights. Today, it is only Randians who can argue that her philosophy is being inadequately promoted.

However, there is a silver lining for Rand purists: while the movie's publicity has managed to stir up paltry interest among cinema-goers, it has succeeded in awakening a larger interest in the literary work. Rand's novel has sold around 100,000 copies a year in the US since its publication, and since the financial crisis and the rise of the Tea Party, that number has increased five-fold. The movie's publicity has only propelled sales yet higher - the opening weekend saw the book version of Atlas Shrugged shoot to the No 4 spot on Amazon's bestseller list.

So, while the Tea Party's promotion of Rand has made a splash, Objectivists can take comfort knowing that the impact has largely been on book sales. If one has to delve into Randian territory, it's better to go straight to the master's words rather than a choice interpretation of them or convenient soundbites.

 

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+153 # GTrout 2011-04-24 10:17
Any increase in "Atlas Shrugged" book sales is coming from progressives or independents curious to examine the original source of the furor. Tea partiers and true conservatives are not interested in the examining the source of any of their beliefs: they've been told what to believe by their spiteful tin god leadership and their ears - and minds - are firmly closed to any other input. If any read this article they'll scream 'liberal lies' and proceed directly to ad hominem attack mode.
 
 
+116 # Ralph Averill 2011-04-24 11:27
Another reason few tea-baggers are buying the book; no pictures.
 
 
+2 # Nancy Holmes 2011-04-29 11:21
Simple, but perfect. Thank you.
 
 
+31 # Interested Observer 2011-04-24 17:31
There are sufficient copies in print that anyone interested can satisfy their curiosity quite inexpensively without the further waste of trees for that purpose or enrichment of whoever now holds the rights on these tracts for a civilization based on a society of egoists and properly channeled sociopaths.
 
 
+12 # AndreM5 2011-04-26 08:21
Sociopath is a better label for Rand who declared a serial killer to be her "Superman." It is ironic that sociopaths are so insecure in their selfish self-serving world view that they have to hang together for comfort. They may rant about "entitlements" for others but because they are superior beings they are naturally entitled to exploit the "inferior."
And then they had to graduate to the fourth grade.
 
 
+1 # George V. Williams 2011-05-19 11:05
Excellent, thought-provoking response! Thank you for it.
 
 
+97 # DOORMAN60 2011-04-24 10:23
Everybody should read Atls shrugged and perhaps Ayn Rand other melodramatic tract: Fountainhead.

Simply to discover how easily melodramatic simplification will sell so easily to the American public.

When I was a freshman in college, I read both in a fortnight and was a complete devote of Ms Rand.... but then that nasty education began to dissolve my devotion and make way for a more realistic view of the way the world actually works.
Rand successfully created a Utopia that harnessed all the values of western capitalism without any of the drawbacks that inevitably occur.

Alan Greenspan as her publicist insisted this was the wave of the future -- and has proved to be.

It is a horribly simplistic view of humanity and considerably boring at that- since art and appreciation of environment in non-existent and at odds with her one track philosophy.
 
 
-127 # Fort Hay 2011-04-24 11:54
So sad. College made you dumber and duller. Not surprising, really, since the entire 'liberal arts experience' is designed to hammer down the nails that stick out. Too bad for you.
When I was a freshman in college, I read both in a fortnight and was a complete devote of Ms Rand.... but then that nasty education began to dissolve my devotion and make way for a more realistic view of the way the world actually works.
 
 
+102 # RSJ 2011-04-24 15:29
Yes, Fort Hay, let's have the 'conservative arts experience' -- Creation Science, revised history, David Barton's addled Biblical interpretations , Milton Friedman's disastrous 'free market' economic theories, Glenn Beck's world of bizarre conspiracies, Roger Ailes on propaganda, George W. Bush on the successes of reducing taxation for the rich, and the moral virtues of Jack Abramoff. I can't think of a better way of hastening the collapse of what we like to call Western civilization. I mean, you do realize the conservative philosophy has failed miserably every place it's been tried, don't you?
 
 
+20 # jon 2011-04-24 21:49
Quoting
Yes, Fort Hay, let's have the 'conservative arts experience' -- Creation Science, revised history, David Barton's addled Biblical interpretations , Milton Friedman's disastrous 'free market' economic theories, Glenn Beck's world of bizarre conspiracies, Roger Ailes on propaganda, George W. Bush on the successes of reducing taxation for the rich, and the moral virtues of Jack Abramoff. I can't think of a better way of hastening the collapse of what we like to call Western civilization. I mean, you do realize the conservative philosophy has failed miserably every place it's been tried, don't you?


I LOVE it -- SCATHING, and comprehensive!
 
 
-24 # Ralph Averill 2011-04-24 15:53
Too bad they didn't teach spelling at your college.
 
 
+16 # Garrett 2011-04-24 18:01
Ralph - that's not a constructive comment. Try again?
 
 
+4 # Ralph Averill 2011-04-25 00:36
Agreed. however, when a poster is adopting an intellectually superior attitude while promoting mis-informed, intellectually bankrupt arguments, sometimes I just can't control myself. In the future I will endeavor to control my lesser angels.
 
 
+115 # RSJ 2011-04-24 15:20
I read 'The Fountainhead' when I was teenager and took away from it the anti-conformist message that Howard Roark was an independent spirit refusing to bend to society when it came to his art, in this case architecture. I approved of that message and still do. It was only when I reread the book later, and other of Rand's writings, that it became apparent she considered those wealthy who produce nothing 'producers' and ignored the hard work of those lower on the economic ladder without which the 'producers' could never produce anything. Dismissing the contributions to society of blue-collar workers and condemning them as 'parasites' for collecting in retirement the benefits they paid for during their working years is, in a word, nuts.

It's especially crazy since Rand herself, old and broke and abandoned by her cultish followers, collected Social Security and Medicare when she was dying of lung cancer, effectively tossing most of her selfish Objectivist philosophy in the trash bin. When push came to shove and Rand was faced with living on the streets and starving, she signed on to the 'evil socialist programs' she abhorred. Of course, you won't hear that from her Republican admirers like Paul Ryan, and I'm sure it won't appear in this crapola movie.
 
 
+9 # TearsTheWingsOffAnge 2011-04-27 07:25
There are no objectivists in hospital beds. ^_^
 
 
+3 # RSJ 2011-04-27 16:22
LOL! Good one, Tears! Unfortunately, the greed-is-good Objectivists still persist in bailed-out banks, infest subsidized corporations like a plague of cockroaches, and lurk in the taxpayer-funded boardrooms of Wall Street. In an incredible act of self-delusion, most of these well-heeled welfare recipients continue to believe themselves 'self-made' free-market capitalists.
 
 
+30 # in deo veritas 2011-04-24 18:34
No wonder we are in this mess if greenspan's insane financial policies through the Fed were based on her views.
 
 
+31 # RSJ 2011-04-25 01:48
Alan Greenspan eventually apologized for his part in destroying the economy -- when it was too late to undo the damage, of course. Here's an interesting anecdote about Greenspan: He wanted to be a sax player in a big band as a young man but, one day, he sat next to Stan Getz and heard him play. Realizing he was never going to equal Getz's mastery of the instrument, he instead switched to economics and Ayn Rand, to our detriment. And some people think music isn't important! ;)
 
 
+18 # Imapony 2011-04-25 05:43
As a jazz fan, I can tell you that this is the most startling thing I've read all week! Conversely, the young John Coltrane admired Getz' tone and became...John Coltrane.
 
 
+12 # RSJ 2011-04-25 15:23
Imapony, here's the source for that info re Getz and Greenspan:

And who's really to blame for the financial crisis? "I would say Stan Getz, the eminent jazz musician who died [in] 1991," writes Bengt Säve-Söderbergh for Sweden's Dagens Huyeter (Daily News). "People who have read the memoirs of [Alan] Greenspan published last autumn know that Greenspan started his professional career in various Big Bands in the New York area.

"One day he had to sit next to Stan Getz and he heard him play. He then realized that he would never achieve the musical level Getz already was on so he decided to change course and become an economist instead. The rest is history. And even now there are still people who don't believe jazz is important!" Bengt concludes.
-- From Phil Proctor's Planet Proctor 2008-22, Nov. 19, 2008.
http://www.planetproctor.com/

BTW, I like jazz, too, and John Coltrane was a rare genius; Alan was just a groveler to the wealthy, bolstered by a philosophy only a half-wit would believe.
 
 
+8 # billy bob 2011-04-25 17:04
To put it another way: Coltrane was a true "idea" man. Greenspan isn't.
 
 
+4 # Imapony 2011-04-26 04:49
Thanks for the info!
 
 
+15 # Hart 2011-04-25 05:47
I disagree. No one should waste their time reading any of Ayn Rand's 'works'. If you must expose yourself to her 'thoughts', get the Cliff Notes version and read the first 5 pages of that.
 
 
+3 # RSJ 2011-04-25 15:24
I'd suggest the Classics Illustrated versions, if they exist.
 
 
+10 # ruffian 2011-04-25 06:38
Its FICTION!
 
 
+14 # Libertysghost 2011-04-25 10:45
So was Dan Browns' "The DaVinci Code" but that didn't stop the Reichwing (especially those of the FAR RIGHT "Christian" persuausion)fro m going stark raving mad when the movie version came out. So let me get this straight, you're admitting that the whole Conservative/Tea Party ideology (and the fact that so many of the leading lights of the Right hold Rand up as spokeswoman for the whole "unfettered, free-markets will solve all our problems" b.s.) is based on fiction? Color me shocked!!
 
 
+3 # ultimus gimp 2011-04-25 11:31
i went through the same process in 1956 complete with writing who is john gault? on bathroom walls
 
 
+1 # Scott Bieser 2011-04-28 10:00
Atlast Shrugged was published in 1957. Are you at time traveler?
 
 
+1 # Paul Baer 2011-04-25 21:42
Actually, Ayn Rand appreciated the arts, and her book Anthem was an inspiration for Rush's classic 2112.
 
 
+1 # quiethand 2011-04-29 09:00
Quoting
Rand successfully created a Utopia that harnessed all the values of western capitalism without any of the drawbacks that inevitably occur.


Exactly. In my earliest years on AOL I debated eco issues on their message boards, and was faced with the dominant Libertarian spouting the same quasi-Randian nonsense back then. I simply countered: "If John Galt were alive today, he'd be the leading conservationist on the planet." Questioned why, I explained that if the pursuit of good works was the highest aspiration of man, the concept of squandering resources would be the greatest crime imaginable.

Said Lib conceded the point. Rand lived in the heady times such market Utopianism was possible. Other utopians considered other, equally unlikely or under-informed realities. The idea of finite resource banks and pollution sinks shrank the world to decidedly less Randian proportions... though not so small as to fit in the mind of the average Lib or Repub. There is still value there though it must be teased from her inadvertent or purposely constrained mindset.
 
 
+90 # fredboy 2011-04-24 10:43
As with most right-wing approaches and arguments, Rand's work will be cherry picked and even shared out of context while those points that counter the tea monsters will be ignored. It's the same approach the tea party takes in Florida as it attempts to gut consumer protection and environmental protection--twisted logic, piecemeal "facts," and outright lies.

I recently sat beside a guy on a plane who was glued to "Atlas Shrugged." When I asked the dweeb why he was reading it he said he reads it once a year. The guy was a loser in a cheap suit, somewhat rude and distant, yet lip-reading Rand, his new gospel.

I don't believe they know what they are asking for. And know they could not comfortably live with the results they so desperately seek.
 
 
+78 # junkgrl 2011-04-24 12:51
She also believed she would never get cancer as a heavy smoker. Claimed herself as a super person, immune to such diseases. However, when she got lung cancer, she had to go on Medicare to pay for it. She was already collecting Social Security. Easy to write such awesome fantasy, but in the real world--doesn't help much. I read her books also in high school--then I grew up.
 
 
+11 # tgmcnaughton 2011-04-25 12:56
What we do tells us what we believe more than what we say. Rand's reliance on state support at the end of her life illustrates the naïveté of her philosophy. Ditto her extremely dysfunctional personal life with the "open marriage" and sycophantic affairs. I think her diagnosis was narcissistic personality disorder with paranoid delusions.
 
 
+21 # RSJ 2011-04-25 15:43
The image of Ayn Rand sitting in her New York apartment, surrounded by her sweaty band of wonky, weak-willed college boys jockeying for a pat on the head from the Objectivist 'Queen Bee' and refusing, just like the Stalinesque characters she despised, to take questions or criticisms is almost too creepy to contemplate. Objectivism was never anything more than an overgrown cult that achieved its current status with the uber-right because it reassured the insecure wealthy that they are superior in every way to everyone else and above the law simply due to their riches, earned or inherited. I prefer Dorothy Parker's more realistic take on the well-heeled: "If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave it to." You can start with Junior Bush and work your way backward from there.
 
 
+5 # billy bob 2011-04-25 17:01
Well said. It's kind of like the rich person's "divine right".
 
 
+100 # Sully747 2011-04-24 10:50
I read all Ayn Rands books when I was 18 - 19 y.o.... I thought they were cool for several years... Then, I actually started thinking heavily .. as usual,..heavy thinking every day got the upper hand and I began to see Alisa Rosenbaumas as someone who changed her name, went to Hollywood and became an amphetamine junkie who made a fortune convincing the poor masses to hate themselves and love it... . I guess if I went to Thinkers Anonymous ten tea party steps I might stop thinking and become a republican and live happily ever after.
 
 
+32 # rf 2011-04-24 14:15
'Thinkers Anonymous ten tea party steps'

I Love it!
 
 
+34 # RSJ 2011-04-24 15:41
Objectivism was and is a personality cult centered around a flawed princess who was emotionally living out the trauma she felt when she was a pampered child in Russia and the Bolsheviks took over, leaving her without her servants and other luxuries. She confused the dictatorial Bolsheviks with the will of the people, and so hated democracy and equality.

Every pampered child believes in selfishness and Ayn was no different; she just had a larger vocabulary than the average 10-year-old and had read Nietzsche, without quite comprehending all the nuances of his work.

That she would lionize and romanticize a child murderer like William Hickman as a free-spirited, independent 'superman' shows the shallowness and sickness of her psyche.
 
 
+78 # George D 2011-04-24 10:55
I like the premise of the article; The notion that "Tea-Partiers" are buying Rand's book and will soon see through the facade they are presented with by conservative pundits. Unfortunately, it makes the assumption that these people CAN read and WILL read and not just say "I got the book". It also assumes they CAN and WILL comprehend what they read; Not to mention that they will have to choose not to ignore or skip over that which doesn't match their own, distorted fantasy of a world view.
Yes, I'm very cynical when it comes to anyone that would be a tea-partier or back a GWB or Palin for the White House. These are not the brightest among us.
 
 
+38 # Harkhana 2011-04-24 15:04
I believe most of them can read, what I feel they lack is reading comprehension. If someone doesn't tell them what something means, they may never know.

Too bad we can't harness their fear into fear of the people who use them for their own political/power plays.
 
 
+21 # JimYoung 2011-04-24 11:19
William F. Buckley, Jr. liked to hear (almost) all sides of the arguments (having hired several former communists who changed as they learned), and to his credit, changed when he saw the darker sides of some of ideology he grew up with. I'd start with his initial views on Ayn Rand, and see if there is any reason to look on them more favorably. I think not.
 
 
+7 # Doctoretty 2011-04-24 12:06
Well? What DID Buckley think of Rand? Anyone know? The suspense is killing me!
 
 
+7 # JimYoung 2011-04-24 15:00
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley,_Jr. is a good enough starting point. If you find any positive material, from any period, I might want to read it, especially if it can explain any rational reason for her behavior. Until then, my impression is of an angry person, with unusual views that may be interesting but are off "balance" to me (like Gore Vidal, and Henry Adams, great grandson of John Adams).
 
 
-15 # Arika 2011-04-24 12:08
The tea party started about 4 years ago, by libertarians who hated big government. It was growing in popularity, and the republicans saw a threat to their power, and hijacked the tea party!!! It started out devoted to ending war and big government!! You people don't know the history of the tea party, and are misjudging it. NOW it is a republican evil action from stupid people who hate everyone, but in the beginning, it was something wonderful and noble!
Look back four years, to when it was started by libertarians. That could be the Ayn Rand reference! She would also hate what it has become!!
 
 
+18 # RSJ 2011-04-24 15:53
Arika, the current version of the Tea Party started in 2009 when a wealthy commodities trader and CNBC analyst named Rick Santelli (Google it) went on the air and castigated Obama for trying to help homeowners to stay in their homes after they had been intentionally hoodwinked into unaffordable mortgages by conmen for the banking industry. From the start, it was not a grassroots movement -- it was of, by and for the billionaire players in the game like the Koch brothers. The Koch's financed the various events, Rupert Murdoch's Fox News pumped them up, and they convinced enough suckers to turn out to make it seem like it wasn't astroturf.

Check the websites of the sincere Tea Partiers who didn't want to be an adjunct to the GOP -- they were forced out of the various Tea Party groups.

The libertarian Tea Party of 2007 started by Ron Paul's followers were not connected to the current Republican-run and Koch-funded Tea Parties.
 
 
+18 # Ralph Averill 2011-04-24 16:09
"NOW it is a republican evil action from stupid people who hate everyone,"
You let them take it. Why don't you take it back?
 
 
+24 # billy bob 2011-04-24 18:17
That's a common tactic with "libertarians". "Libertarianism" is a Trojan horse. It's a way of getting "small government" conservatives elected so they can do HUGE government things that are conservative.

At its heart even true libertarianism is anti-democratic so its going to be pretty hard to convince people how "wonderful" and "noble" it is to take away their right to demand things of their own government.
 
 
+3 # TearsTheWingsOffAnge 2011-04-27 07:34
Libertarians are just conservatives who want to smoke dope. Even Ayn Rand didn't like libertarians. She said that Libertarians want the benefits of behaving selfishly without submitting to the moral dictates of rational selfishness.
 
 
+48 # wfalco 2011-04-24 12:12
I read Atlas Shrugged as an a-political freshman in college. So I read Rand with an open mind as I wasn't even aware of its political or social ramifications at the time. But I succinctly recall how lousy a piece of writing it was. I could not figure, for the life of me, why this was such a highly regarded book in some circles. (This was right around the time Reagan was elected.-The political winds they were were a changin'.)
In a sense it was a political awakening. I finally realized I was a left-wing radical. I read this low brow fantasy in 1980. Apparently not many others had the same awakening as I.
 
 
+8 # Chris Zupanovich 2011-04-25 12:05
Good for you! I'm one of the old farts from the '60's - civil rights, war on poverty, etc. Still working professionally in that area. I'm proud of you for thinking. and I'm proud to have read your post.

I read Atlas Shrugged as an a-political freshman in college. So I read Rand with an open mind as I wasn't even aware of its political or social ramifications at the time. But I succinctly recall how lousy a piece of writing it was. I could not figure, for the life of me, why this was such a highly regarded book in some circles. (This was right around the time Reagan was elected.-The political winds they were were a changin'.)
In a sense it was a political awakening. I finally realized I was a left-wing radical. I read this low brow fantasy in 1980. Apparently not many others had the same awakening as I.
 
 
+53 # stonecutter 2011-04-24 12:17
First we're told again and again that no one is reading books anymore, because of hand-held tech, facebook, etc. Then this article says Rand's tome is up to 500,000 copies per year in sales. Who the hell is buying this 50 year-old book? Most college kids today have a hard time telling you what century the Civil War occurred in, or who Harry Reid is, or where Zimbabwe is? But they're going to be interested in, or stimulated by Rand's ideology as expressed in this or her other books? Baloney.

You can promote the whacked out notion that the Tea Party reveres Rand and her ideology, but I for one don't believe it. I'd like to find one Tea Partier, outside the relatively very small educated cliques that worship Rand Paul or Paul Ryan and their ilk, that could explain Ayn Rand to me or anyone else, let alone buy and read her voluminous novel "Atlas Shrugged". The mass of people that showed up on the DC Mall for Beck's convocation in 2009 looked like the most reading they could handle was a McDonald's menu, or a coupon circular for Winn Dixie. Or the Holy Bible, natch.

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of the corporate media telling me what is going on in national politics, because 1) they really don't have a clue and 2) anything progressive is ignored or suppressed. One thing I do know is that most Tea Partiers are right-wingnuts, NOT idea people.
 
 
+17 # jon 2011-04-24 21:35
stonecutter0602 , Very well said!

Back in the 60's, when I was coming up, Rand was required reading amongst young intellectuals - it did not take us long to realize that she was full of s**t, and grinding a personal axe.
 
 
+29 # merry 2011-04-24 12:21
Interesting that Rand's titans of individual skill and resourcefulness came together, in such a way that some might call "collective bargaining."

Collective bargaining is, after all, the basic premise of Atlas Shrugged: a collection of people agreed to not work and Galt organized the strike
 
 
+43 # William Anderson 2011-04-24 12:22
Sounds like Tea Partiers read Atlas Shrugged the same way they read the bible; select the parts that support their view and ignore the rest. I read Atlas Shrugged when I was in college and was impressed; but as others have experienced, the philosophy becomes stale with experience of the wider world.
 
 
+44 # Bill Holcomb 2011-04-24 12:59
Furthermore, Ayn Rand was an undisguised elitist. She would have greeted T-Partiers with an upturned nose and a superiorly-curled lip. She couldn't stand the uneducated, uneducable, easily led (and fooled) masses. She VEHEMENTLY agreed with Alexander Hamilton's assessment: "YOUR PEOPLE, SIR, IS A GREAT BEAST."
 
 
+28 # granny 2011-04-24 13:05
For some kind of balance-in-the-rant cation, read Matt Taibbi's Griftopia. He offers a different take on Rand, Greenspan and the rest of the self-made greedsters.
 
 
+9 # JimYoung 2011-04-24 15:52
Griftopia is on my wish list but Matt hits you over the head with the truth as he sees it.

I have to guide my friends through milder stuff before they can handle what he sees and is outraged by. "Inside Job" is a more manageable introduction, as is "All the Devils Are Here", before you get to Nomi Prins, or Yvez Smith who take you through detailed trails that should raise your blood pressure on exactly how portions of the biggest swindles in history were done. Brad DeLong has the Shrillblog that I first saw as "The Ancient, Hermetic, and Occult Order of the Shrill!" Apparently the wisdom (or lack of it) has nothing to do with getting into the "order" but being ignored like the hospital alarms does. There are so many "alarms" out there, many that are critically important, that few are ready to, or capable of responding to them. I do hope we can wake a few up, though,before the batteries (and patient) die.

Matt sounds loud alarms too many ignore. Brad DeLong provides many deeper peeks at the problems, but, I think considers himself one of the "shrill", since so many ignore the deeper, much more authoritative stuff politicians so studiously avoid like that at http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2011/01/sensible-economists-letter-on-the-affordable-care-act.html
 
 
+60 # lindyb 2011-04-24 13:05
I read recently that Ayn Rand did avail herself of medicare and possibly social security. Like most Republicans I know, she is fine with receiving benefits for herself, she simply believed that no one else should have them.
 
 
+28 # Interested Observer 2011-04-24 18:19
Is there anything funnier than these "no socialized medicine" rugged individualists and Real Americans yelling "keep your government hands off my Medicare!" ?
 
 
+21 # Cynthia 2011-04-24 13:11
Mr. Young, I do believe that it was Mr. Buckley's Catholicism that required his jaundiced view of Ms. Rand. That was certainly the undercurrent I picked up on when I read his witty dismissals of her. My fave was his comment about her adherents--that they were so ruggedly individualistic "they are a menace getting in and out of elevators." Paraphrased, I'm sure, but I did laugh. Say what you will, she did look cute in her hats.
 
 
+11 # JimYoung 2011-04-24 15:12
I wouldn't know about his Catholicism having as much to do with it as his sharp tongued responses to supposed intellectuals playing others for fools. I think even those who sometimes suffered a bit from his demanding real substance in arguments, appreciated him all the more for making them rigorously explain their positions.
 
 
-72 # Yachtsman 2011-04-24 13:12
I love to hear the rantings of those who know next to nothing about the Tea Party movement. Tea Partiers are not endorsing all of Ayn Rand's philosophies by a long shot, only those that helped to make this country great. But then most liberals don't seem to see anything great about it.
 
 
+25 # tombaxter 2011-04-24 14:05
One thing that always impressed me about Rand was her providing moral justification for civilized men of eliminating the savages from 'howling wilderness' of the Americas and our righteous war against the communists of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos.
I read her in high school and started having real questions about her after doing my part to murder millions of SEA communists.
 
 
+23 # coach777b 2011-04-24 17:07
Quoting
I love to hear the rantings of those who know next to nothing about the Tea Party movement. Tea Partiers are not endorsing all of Ayn Rand's philosophies by a long shot, only those that helped to make this country great. But then most liberals don't seem to see anything great about it.

So you agree with previous posts that the T-Party folks just picknout the parts of Rand's writings that they agree with. It's obvious when they claim to adhere to the writings in the Bible. Apparently you home-schoolers and graduates of Liberty, Oral Roberts or any other "Christian Academy" have a problem with comprehension. Look it up!
 
 
+22 # billy bob 2011-04-24 18:13
You're right. tee-partiers ARE hypocrites. Well said.
 
 
+11 # jon 2011-04-24 21:41
Quoting
But then most liberals don't seem to see anything great about it.


Only that this country was founded as an anti-oligarchical Champion of the Common Man!
 
 
+15 # stonecutter 2011-04-25 05:30
By your cockeyed reckoning, Yachtsman, we might all be saluting Hitler for building the Autobahn and improving highway travel, or giving us the VW Beetle and modernizing car design, and simply ignore the "other stuff" he's mildly (in)famous for. I'm assuming your twisted vision of American "greatness" includes, say, wiping out the American Indian nations and putting the survivors on reservations, where they could slowly starve to death, fall into clinical depression or embrace alcoholism with gusto. This was of course necessary to the westward expansion of the railroads, which in turn allowed the Vanderbilts and their ilk to build those simple cottages on the ocean at Newport, RI, all with benefit of no federal income tax, and contemplate what a "great nation" they had created.

Somehow, the Social Darwinism of the late 19th century seems directly linked to 1) the wholesale appeasement of the re-invented, psychopathic house painter turned dictator in the 1930's by, among others, many American corporate elites making a fortune from the re-building of Nazi Germany and turning a blind eye to the massive scapegoating of Jews, and 2) the current "Tea Party" movement, with its transparent emphasis on white supremacy, guns, fearmongering, stupid birtherism, and dismantling the New Deal under the guise of "spending cuts".

3 degrees of separation.
 
 
+9 # wfalco 2011-04-25 16:00
Quoting
I love to hear the rantings of those who know next to nothing about the Tea Party movement. Tea Partiers are not endorsing all of Ayn Rand's philosophies by a long shot, only those that helped to make this country great. But then most liberals don't seem to see anything great about it.

Oh no you are mistaken,sir. There are many great things about this country that most of us liberals are quite fond of -(and perhaps some conservatives also-but they won't admit it)...Social Security Benefits, Medicare, public schools, a decent highway system, unemployment compensation benefits, the Environmental Protection Agency, and my personal favorite-Pell Grants. Many decent progressive programs to love about this country...Did I mention the national park system, the National Endowment for the Arts, the FAA, the Center for Disease Control......
 
 
+2 # RSJ 2011-04-27 12:18
Yachtsman, are you referring to the non-affilated Tea Party movement that effectively no longer exists, or the astroturf Tea Party movement funded by the Koch brothers to further their agenda? The only one reported on by the national media, or that has any influence on the GOP, is the latter.
 
 
+49 # metcalf 2011-04-24 13:17
Tea partiers will probably pick and choose the parts of Rand they want to hear? That's a piece of cake for them. They pick and and choose what they want from the Bible, even though most of them think is the literal word from God. Like all that stuff about caring about the sick and the poor.
 
 
-32 # Texas Girl 2011-04-24 19:21
True Christians don't pick and choose what they want from the Bible. If they do that, they are playing God. When we start deciding what's true and what's not, anything goes -- the sky's the limit. If that's the way you want to live your life, go right ahead, but those are man's commandments not God's. And by the way, Christians are to care for the "sick and poor" themselves, (and they do a pretty good job of it)not some government bureaucrat who forcefully takes your money and gives it to his politically connected charity.
 
 
+14 # billy bob 2011-04-24 21:27
Obviously Tee-partiers are not "true Christians".
 
 
+24 # CTPatriot 2011-04-25 01:42
The problem with building a society around the concept that "Christians" give to charity as they see fit is that most so-called Christians will make sure that their charity only goes to those they consider worthy. Of course, that would be against the teachings of Christ.

But religious institutions, and here I mean ALL religious institutions, routinely pick and choose who are the winners and the losers in their charity game, and often the winners are those who choose to accept the same god and the same bible.

Government, on the other hand, as an expression of the democratic will of the people, is designed to discriminate against no-one, and to ensure that all who are needy have equal access to charity. It doesn't always work that way because it has been perverted by religionists and corporatists, but it still works in a far more egalitarian manner than what you are suggesting.
 
 
+2 # Gary Ray Pierson 2011-04-25 07:14
Quoting
True Christians don't pick and choose what they want from the Bible. If they do that, they are playing God. When we start deciding what's true and what's not, anything goes -- the sky's the limit. If that's the way you want to live your life, go right ahead, but those are man's commandments not God's. And by the way, Christians are to care for the "sick and poor" themselves, (and they do a pretty good job of it)not some government bureaucrat who forcefully takes your money and gives it to his politically connected charity.

No, if you were true Christians, you wouldn't eat shell fish because it's an abomination. You would have enslaved a neighboring town and it would be ok... Read your damn book. All of em.. They just don't make Jews like Jesus any more and there isn't one hanging around today. Cpl. Pierson,101st Airborne,Vietna m, Son of the American Revolution, Pvt. Shadrack Ray Pierson, 1st Virginia, Valley Forge. Brother of Meashack and Abindigo, All fought. Abindigo died and Meshack went on to be one of Washington's guards.. All 300 some odd of em...
 
 
-1 # RSJ 2011-04-27 12:24
Uh, Gary, just a slight correction -- most of what you mentioned is in the Old Testament. As I learned in Sunday school when my parents were trying to make a 'good boy' of me, the New Testament takes precedence over the OT. It's the Gospel or 'Good News' of a new compact with God.

Of course, the eating of shellfish and pork would still be banned, although I don't recall Jesus actually condemning it, but the slaughters of the OT would not be allowed according to the Sermon on the mount.
 
 
+12 # Fred Sokolow 2011-04-25 16:57
It's great if individuals are charitable, but if a society doesn't have a formal apparatus to care for the needy, sick, elderly, disabled, then it's dysfunctional. Because sometimes charity is not forthcoming when needed. Take note of the lady who, a few months ago, died on the floor of an emergency hospital because she had no medical coverage. Government is not the enemy...folks in countries with better medical plans are better cared for and more secure.
 
 
+2 # billy bob 2011-04-25 20:37
Sorry to change the subject, but are you the well known guitarist?
 
 
-1 # propsguy 2011-04-25 20:45
hmmm, before you claim that "they do a pretty good job" of taking care of the sick and poor, you might want to check with some actual sick and poor people for their opinion on htat
 
 
+20 # wootsietootsie 2011-04-24 13:33
The people shall overcome and win. But it takes organizing and keeping the pressure on. There are more of us than Them.
 
 
+4 # cydfan 2011-04-25 08:27
That could have been a direct quote from Frank Kinnan, head of labor, in Atlas Shrugged.
 
 
+5 # cydfan 2011-04-25 09:10
Don't get me wrong, I do NOT agree with Ms. Rand's ideas. I am completely aware of her inconsistencies . I just think it should be required reading for anyone who thinks that either extreme is a good thing. Tea Partiers beware, picking and choosing what you want to believe and teach from texts and authors, whether the be religious or philosophic can prove dangerous and cause you to lose the "moral high ground" you cling as vehemently as your guns and bibles.
 
 
+10 # cattivo 2011-04-24 13:40
This hilarious send up of Rand and her ilk from a recent issue of McSweeney's says it all: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2010/8/12hague.html
 
 
+2 # Anarchist 23 2011-04-26 14:47
Read Fountainhead in my high school years-it did not make much of an impression on me. However, a completely hailarious send up of Atlas Shrugged titled Telemachus Sneezed (including Who is John Guilt?) can be found in the three volumne book Illuminatus published 1973 by well known time traveler Robert Anton Wilson. It is a great antidote to present insanity, Ayn Rand included
 
 
+46 # don emilio 2011-04-24 13:55
I'm amazed that a third (or fourth) rate writer from half a century ago can still cause a stir. That senile oldsters like Alan (I couldn't have imagined in my wildest dreams) Greenspan see her sort of as an economists John Wayne isn't surprising, but that younger people trying to fulfill the "rugged individual" fantasy have to cough up this stale hack's novels simply attests to the utter inadequacy of the American educational system, except, of course, its elite MBA programs where eager young would be masters of the universe learn both how to steal and how to buy off politicians to "legalize" their plundering.

I really do wish there would be a socialist revolution soon.
 
 
+4 # Imapony 2011-04-26 05:08
Thanks for noticing how godawful Rand's writing can be. As much as the fascist-leaning ideology makes my flesh crawl, I'm just as horrified by stuff like her oft-used stage direction, "She whirled to him"--always pictured these characters spinning. And the "sensitive poet" hired by the newspaper as a sportswriter--meet any insensitive poets lately?
 
 
+24 # lvpapa 2011-04-24 16:41
Everyone is missing the point. The point being that healthcare is not expensive. It is the CYA paperwork that is expensive. And that paperwork is made necessary by the lawyers and insurance companies. Case in point: I went to a “quick care” facility to have a small infection on my finger looked at. It took 10 people, including 2 doctors, not to treat me but to CYA. The total bill to fix my finger: $864.50. During the next three months I received no less than 20 pieces of paper, in 6 mailings, advising me of various things, not to do with my treatment but with the billing, payments and compliance matters associated with fixing my finger (CYA). These papers all had a common notation: “This is not a bill”. We’re not done. A year later I was checking my credit score when I noticed a negative item on the report to do with this treatment. I carry supplemental insurance at a cost of $170.90/month. After many phone calls and severe and profound stress, I was able to determine that the care facility had failed to send the bills to my supplemental provider but just sent them directly to the collection agency. There was a complete admission of guilt and apology by the treatment center but you people paid for all this gross negligence.
 
 
+10 # lvpapa 2011-04-24 16:44
My car has a VIN which clearly identifies it and tracks it throughout its life. Anyone interested in the car, for any reason, can Google the VIN and find out everything there is to know about my car. Why can’t I have the equivalent of a VIN? It might be called a BIN (Body Identification Number). Can you even begin to imagine the cost savings?
 
 
-7 # Pandagirl 2011-04-24 19:18
Ever heard of Big Brother? Worse yet, ever read the Book of Revelation in the Bible where all must submit to the branding of each person for reference and identification?
 
 
+26 # futhark 2011-04-24 16:46
Kudos to Ayn Rand for "objectively" choosing to receive Social Security benefits and Medicare in her old age. To not do so would have been contrary to her best interests.

Shame on her for jeopardizing her health through a life-long nicotine addiction, causing her to require assistance from socialistic institutions supported by a collectivist state. But even more shame on her for her arrogant, social-Darwinist values that the sick, hungry, ill-clad, and ill-housed are only reaping the rewards of their personal lack of industry and creativity. Her compassion rating is a big, obese ZERO!
 
 
+17 # CragJensen 2011-04-24 16:59
Actually Ayn Rand was a genius and - has already been pointed out - she would have little in common with today's Tea Partiers. She would call their religious leaders "Witchdoctors," their god - an illusion and their political leaders/flunkies - "Attila the Huns." She was devout Capitalist and not an advocate of Corporate Feudalism. What modern-day Republicans advocate is so far from the Objectionist Philosophy of Ayn Rand it's not funny.
Tea Partiers are naught but Koch-brother shills who have this strange idea that their god (Jesus) loves rich people more than poor people and so therefor - so must they. And they are, quite frankly, not intelligent enough to make it through the first two paragraphs of an Ayn Rand book and come away with the slightest understanding of what they just read.
 
 
+23 # Interested Observer 2011-04-24 17:25
'today's conservative pundits have found that they "can use the parts of Rand they want to use and not engage the rest".'

And this should be a surprise to whom?

It is exactly the way they use the bible and what parts of U.S. and world history they do not actually fictionalize. It is their characteristic thought process.
 
 
+7 # Jim H 2011-04-24 18:36
The entire work is a curiosity, a Bible for Totalitarian Capitalists. What makes me very ashamed is that we progressives have our own trilogy-- Dos Passos' USA -- that is a genuine work of art, and yet this bilge made it to the screen first.
 
 
+7 # Alturn 2011-04-24 19:35
Rand's importance is the same as the Marlboro Man and John Wayne. They are icons that allow for insight into a stage of human development, like many readers cited as being appropriate to consider in early youth, which with maturity are transcended.

These symbols of rugged individualism which defined the currently passing age are rapidly giving way to the understanding of interdependence - the keynote of the dawning age. Seeing with new awareness the limitations of these symbols best relegated to museums can help us to see where we have been and the urgency for new ideas of an inclusive, sustainable nature.
 
 
-15 # CharlesH2011 2011-04-25 00:10
The vitriol, arrogance and distortions in these comments are truly amazing. As a real Tea Party supporter, I feel the need to set the record straight about a few things...

1. This post just highlights the conflict in the Republican party between the social conservatives and the economic conservatives. But as much the social conservatives would like to take over the Tea Party (and the Left thinks they already have!) the Tea Party remains primarily an economic conservative movement, the source of its popularity.

2. Rand was certainly a flawed individual, and there are elements in her philosophy that many would consider extreme today. That said, her predictions in Atlas Shrugged 50 years ago were eerily accurate. She described a government that tried unsuccessfully to spend and tax its way to economic growth, where government leaders scapegoated the rich and took control over individual wealth for "the greater good" but somehow everyone, except the "well-connected" were worse off. And she foresaw massive government debts, stagnant growth, persistent unemployment, and looming economic collapse. These things seemed like fantasy in the 1950's, but they are the world we live in today.
 
 
+1 # GrandpaJones2011 2011-04-25 07:10
Garner Ted Armstrong agrees with you, I am sure.
 
 
+12 # rstratton 2011-04-25 09:48
"massive government debts, stagnant growth, persistent unemployment, and looming economic collapse."
Rand predicted this would be the result of a progressive agenda run wild. I see nothing in the Bush agenda that promoted any thing near a progressive agenda. In fact history will show an agenda that would make Rand proud.
 
 
-9 # Yachtsman 2011-04-25 14:26
Well said, Charles. As a fellow Tea Party supporter it's great to hear some civil discourse that deals with the issues instead of just running on about the evils of those who feel fiscal responsibility is a virtue not a vice.
 
 
+5 # JimYoung 2011-04-26 06:46
Herbert Hoover had his faith in capitalists shaken by the "anarchical" capitalists that so badly abused the opportunities they were given. He, like many, assumed all, or most, were virtuous. We may not need protection from the best examples of his more idealized views but I think he would have eventually have to have found a better way to deal with the excesses of those less stellar examples of monetary success. "Enlightened Anarchy" has no more chance of working for capitalists than it did for communists, or the other utopian societies that relied on more perfect humans than exist in the real world.
 
 
+4 # Oligarch 23 2011-04-26 14:53
Thanks for defending us, Charles! Although the last two years have been a bit rougher than usual, and certainly life here has become more expensive, thanks to you and others for upholding the tax breaks for the upper 10, I still get away with more money than the working class who repairs my roads, maintains the electrical grid, delieveres the food to stores-all for pretty much low wages-and allows me to spend my excess aborad!
 
 
+3 # cherose228 2011-04-27 00:45
For which we can certainly thank her slavishly devoted "followers", including Alan Greenspan. Ayn Rand's philosophies are the flip side of the Communists that she hated so virulently; everybody that followed her had to completely accept ALL of her ideas, never contradict her, and do exactly what she said - OR ELSE. Read Barbara Brandon's biography of Ms. Rand, if you want the truth of the matter.

Ayn Rand was a contemptible human. That the Tea Party worships her uncritically and unreservedly just proves that the Tea Party is intellectually deaf, dumb and blind, not to mention lazy. Objectivism is a lovely fairy tale. So are the Ten Commandments. Neither one works except in the abstract.
 
 
+3 # RSJ 2011-04-27 12:40
CharlesH2011, the Tea Party movement, in case you haven't noticed, is now a wholly-owned subsidary of Koch Industries. They may be 'economically conservative,' as you say, but they are an astroturf group that serves to advance the Koch's corporate agenda.

On your second point, it was the conservative Republicans, beginning with the 'voodoo economics' of Reagan, who tried to spend and tax their way to economic growth, using the ludicrous formula of cutting taxes and praying for increased revenues to offset the tax cuts -- it didn't work under Reagan, Bush I or Bush II and, under Junior, the capitalist system collapsed, requiring government to rescue it. If the rich have been 'scapegoated' in this process over the past 50 years, I'd like you to tell me how. In fact, they've been coddled and rewarded repeatedly and their individual wealth has certainly not been absorbed by the government -- it's been increased. The taxpayers have been underwriting the undeserved bonuses of the wealthy, and I don't recall Rand predicting that.
 
 
+3 # GrandpaJones2011 2011-04-25 07:09
Rand's "Objectivist" romantic fantasies are less fun than A.E. Van Vogt's "Null A" stories or Hubbard's "Scientological" fantasies.

They are also long.

Many of these GOP books are purchased, and few, I think, are ever read.

Fox is more action-packed.
 
 
+11 # Pickwicky 2011-04-25 10:40
Charles enlightens us thus: "And she [Rand]foresaw massive government debts, stagnant growth, persistent unemployment, and looming economic collapse."

But what Charles seems to have missed is that Rand's vision was of the Bush administration.
 
 
-4 # CharlesH2011 2011-04-26 23:48
Touche! But not really... Rand was no fan of crony capitalism. Whether you're Halliburton or GE, you should pay taxes and no true free market capitalist is ok with these "friends of the President" getting away with 0 taxes and special favors.

There was plenty in the Bush administration to disgust Rand supporters. We agree on this. The only difference is you think your guy (Obama) is somehow different because the money he steals is for good causes.
 
 
0 # RSJ 2011-04-27 12:44
Sure, CharlesH2011, it's much better to steal money for bad causes, like the Koch's increased wealth.
 
 
-2 # CharlesH2011 2011-04-29 01:11
The true Tea Party position (not the one you would like to brand it with) and the view of followers of Ayn Rand is that government should not be used to enrich any private enterprise in return for political favors.

Like I said, the only difference between you on the Left and Bush Republicans is that you don't mind government corruption as long as it supports your pet causes, e.g. "climate change", ethanol subsidies, Union monopolies
 
 
+1 # RSJ 2011-05-02 23:38
In the preamble to the U.S. Constitution, it specifically reads that the government shall provide for the general welfare of the citizens. I just want the govt to do those things which individuals can't easily do for themselves, such as build roads and bridges and help mitigate the effects of a sudden disaster like Katrina. And allowing Americans to die from lack of adequate health care or clean food and water would also be on that list.

A vast majority of scientists agree climate change is being caused by the burning of fossil fuels. You can ignore that if you wish, but look at a recent photo of the North Pole sometime -- it's an island now. Then there's air pollution. I want the govt to intercede for the betterment of all of us, not just my individual health.

BTW, I don't think ethanol should be subsidized.

Union 'monopolies' are being helped by the govt? Really. Cite some examples.

I agree -- I don't want govt to enrich private enterprise, but to work for the general welfare of the public, as it should, according to our Constitution.
 
 
+9 # bak 2011-04-25 11:38
wish it could be mandatory, that anyone who reads 'atlas shrugged' should then read 'grapes of wrath'
 
 
+4 # NOMINAE 2011-04-25 13:44
Oh, c'mon people, give the Devil her due ! Ayn Rand was one of the greatest propagandists of her age. The fact that the woman handled English as a second language better than do the majority of Americans for whom it is a native language cannot be contravened, no matter how much one "hates" her.

The reason that Rand appealed to so many of us when we were about 19 is simply proof of her effectiveness as a propagandist. It takes some maturity and depth of character before the reader even recognizes the political brain washing being so effectively accomplished in the guise of a "good story".

Yes, the woman was "wrong". Yes, the woman had a *sublime* command of English and a penchant for good (not great) fiction. People priding themselves for not "falling for" Rand were either mature at their first encounter with the works, or were simply unable to comprehend Rand's vocabulary at around age 19.

It is foolish and dangerous to deny the power of an "enemy". There is no way to counter Rand without reading Rand. And note, if you will, there is still no intellectual that can simply ignore Rand, even after all these years.
 
 
+9 # norman markowitz 2011-04-25 14:39
having written about Rand in the past, it is important I think to see her as both a very comical and hokey character (someone whom if she did not exist Mel Brooks would have invented) and someone whose works combine very malignant narcissism with extreme social darwinism, with a touch of Fred Nietsche--someone whom only a mother could love, and a pretty odd mother at that.
The "objectivists" whom I met in College were a little bit like Mensa members, pretty disfunctional failures.
The "tea party" though has much more to do with traditional rightwing U.S. politics funded by traditional rightwing business interests operating through the Republican party and seeking to target key progressive politicians and remove them from office or undermine their influence. There "celebration" of Rand is a kind of reactionary chic, the way some new left radicals in the U.S. and Western Europe (who had no big money backers) celebrated Mao
 
 
+1 # NOMINAE 2011-04-25 18:22
Please allow a correction to my comment above. Let it read to say "Ayn Rand was one of the greatest *American* propagandists of her age. Thanks,all.
 
 
+2 # NOMINAE 2011-04-25 19:03
@ ivpapa Uh..... yeah. The "cost savings" of such plans were vividly imagined long ago by an author named George Orwell in a novel called "1984". Might give it a quick look-see - sorry, there is no movie version.
 
 
+3 # bak 2011-04-26 07:44
i believe there are two movie versions, one from 1956, and one, fittingly from 1984. an opera of it was premiered in 2005, commissioned by the bavarian state opera. i don't know of any performances that were done in the u.s.
 
 
-4 # CharlesH2011 2011-04-27 00:00
Actually there is a movie version of "1984" and it's quite good. It was Richard Burton's last film.

Funny you should mention "1984" since it was Orwell's portrait of the ultimate progressive society - a tyranny of government, business, labor, and the military all acting for the "common good" (everyone has a job and health care) where the rights and freedoms of individuals are necessarily extinguished. We are closer to it than you would like to imagine.
 
 
+4 # RSJ 2011-04-27 12:58
CharlesH2011, the author of '1984' was an avowed socialist and his book was a reaction to the ugly, brutal dictatorships in the USSR and China disguised as socialist Communism. Like IngSoc in the novel, the dictatorships of Stalin and Mao did not work in the interests of the people, they were exercises in raw power under the false rubric of socialism. (Similarly, Hitler came to power under the banner of national socialism and promptly began jailing union members and real socialists when he achieved power.)

Socialist democracies, such as those currently existing in Europe, afford the people individual freedom and personal rights, and the ability to replace socialism should they desire. So far, not one socialist democracy in Europe has availed themselves of that opportunity.

Even Margaret Thatcher's 'reforms' in the UK have mostly been struck down.

'1984' was hardly a picture of the perfect progessive society -- it was not progressive at all, and not what progressives want for America. A shame you believe the lies of the right on this point.
 
 
-2 # CharlesH2011 2011-04-29 01:03
You're right, Orwell was a "democratic socialist". There are many of us (Ayn Rand would be one) who believe that is an oxymoron. That as soon as the government starts taking income and assets and redistributing them for the "greater good", it is the beginning of corruption and the erosion of individual freedoms and incentives that drive a capitalist society.

Eventually, socialist economies stagnate and wither with the average standard of living lagging behind other countries. But at least it is a "fairer" kind of poverty, because it is shared by everyone (except those in the governing elite).

At that point, the economy is either replaced by a more free-market system, or maintained by a totalitarian regime, as in Cuba.

The final stages of a socialist society are often totalitarian, as we've seen in so many places from Russia to Venezuela. That's because when capital wants to leave and individuals don't want to be productive, increasing amounts of coercion become necessary for the government-provided benefits everyone comes to depend on.

I'm sure '1984' is hardly a picture of a perfect progressive society, but it is where such policies lead. And yes, it's a great irony that the most powerful portrait of the decaying effects of socialism was written by a socialist himself.
 
 
+2 # RSJ 2011-05-02 23:25
CharlesH2011, you're showing both your ignorance of democratic socialism and the state of the world today. Individual freedoms have nothing to do with capitalism; read the Constiution -- nowhere in it is capitalism, nor any economic system, mentioned.

Sweden, Norway, Germany and other European states have both socialist democracies and individual freedom and they are not, as you insist, withering and stagnating and contending with a lower standard of living than other countries. In fact, they have weathered economic crises much better than the U.S.

Cuba is not a socialist democracy, and didn't begin as one, and neither did the USSR, China or North Korea. Whatever they call themselves, they are/were just dictatorships with a ruling elite. That's a different animal than a socialist democracy where the majority can change the government if they so desire.

Incidentally, since you mentioned Venezuela, would you like to get into the history of South and Central American where the sort of 'capitalism' you seem to support was imposed on the people? The reason Hugo Chavez, et al, are in power is a reaction to the rapacious capitalism practiced by those who preceded him, which left a majority in the country in desperate poverty. Let me guess that you wouldn't be such a strong advocate for 'free market' capitalism if you were one of the poor.
 
 
+1 # Daphne Penttinen 2011-04-26 13:17
Kudos to: Interested Observer, Billy Bob, george D, Chris Zapanovich, Stone Cutter Oboz, fulthark, pickwicky, and nominae, in particular. All appear to be astute thinkers and readers of history, followers of the principle of truth. I resonated to those individuals' comments, in particular.
Who am I? An elderly woman, maintaining her life-long interest in history and politics, a supporter of Franklin Roosevelt in my youth. I often wonder what he would think of what's going on today in our political scene... As a mother of 3, grandmother five, great grandmother of 3, I say to all: Consider the principle of truth in your research and thinking as your guiding light as you raise your kids. It will stand all of you in good stead as you develop and live your life, blessed as we are by our citizenship in this democratic (small d) country!
 
 
-2 # ohyeahabsolutely 2011-04-27 12:01
As an individual who considers himself to be firmly on the liberal/progressive side of the political aisle, my admiration for Rand's ideas have always been a source of consternation for my friends. The argument always seems to be: How can I be an egalitarian and an objectivist at the same time?
First, I point to a quote from Fitzgerald: "An artist is someone who can hold two opposing viewpoints and still remain fully functional."
Second, I try to remind everyone that Rand was creating an ideal she wanted to see manifested in the world, much as a philosopher like John Rawls tried to imagine how a group of individuals would set society's laws if none of them knew where they placed in society: at its heart, the work is speculative, and idealization. Rand was trying to portray the ideal attributes of a creative world-changer; but as much as I admire the character of Howard Roark, it seems improbable that any person could spend every minute of every day making decisions based on his abstract world view. It just doesn't seem like an enjoyable life.
Rand might say he was aiming for a higher joy, a noble, more uplifting joy, that of creative manifestation, seeing your ideas realized out in the world, but it's hard to imagine this joy applying to every aspect of life.
 
 
-2 # ohyeahabsolutely 2011-04-27 12:18
Rand despised politicians in general, because they don't create anything. She especially disliked Republicans, because she felt (saw this in an interview she gave) that although they should be the ones to admire, they had no clue how to express the ideals she believed in.
Rand believed in healthy competition, that the best should rise to the top on merit and perseverance alone. If you read Atlas Shrugged, you see how much she rails against cronyism, against back-door dealings and corruption.
Unfortunately, cronyism is exactly what the Republican Party stands for today. In order for the GOP to champion your cause, you first need to bribe them with campaign donations. Having the best product or service doesn't necessarily mean you will prevail; your competitor might simply bribe the right politician, who then changes the game in your competitor's favor. The GOP champions tax cuts and deregulation because they know they wouldn't exist without corporate backing. It has nothing to do with ideology.
The Dems take that money too, but at least they defend the rights of the poor and disenfranchised , and it's not like the poor are swimming in cash.
The bottom line is that if Rand were alive today, these politicians would never use her name, because she would call them out as corrupt, second-hand leeches.
 
 
+3 # RSJ 2011-04-27 16:45
You make some good points, ohyeahabsolutel y. As I posted earlier in this thread, when I read 'The Fountainhead' as a teen, I took it as the story of an artist staying true to his ideals, despite the temptations of money and success thrown his way. I also thought Rand was dismissing most of the wealthy as immoral airheads who would cravenly do anything for a buck. (Except those few who financed Roark's buildings, of course.) Even Gail Wynand, the newspaper editor who admired and supported Roark, eventually went against him to retain his wealth and position. it was only when I read other Rand books and articles that I realized her Objectivist philosophy was nothing more than what John Kenneth Galbraith called a "superior moral justification for selfishness." That is, IMO, the only reason Objectivism has endured thus far; wealthy folks like to be reassured that noblesse oblige is for commies and simpletons, and 'there but for fortune' doesn't apply to them, even if their riches are inherited.
 
 
+1 # ohyeahabsolutely 2011-04-27 18:21
RSJ: I can't argue with what you're saying. Undoubtedly a good portion of Rand's admirers take what they need out of her writings in order to justify greedy and careless behavior. Never mind that Rand meant her heroes to always be mindful of the moral weight behind their actions...and that the wealthy and their apologists, as far as I can tell, are mindful only of how much they've accumulated and how best to keep it all for themselves.
I wish people would just read the books and take them for what they are. In fact, it would have been nice if Rand herself did that, and let the work speak for itself. I intrepreted the books the way you did as a teen, as a defense of creativity, of artists, of individuals who believed in themselves and their own ability to judge what is right and wrong. I still see "The Fountainhead" this way. Unfortunately, Rand went on to devise a philosophy out of it, and followers built up her ego, and people who could never be called "first-hand" individuals have used it to justify anything and everything under the sun.
I do think that "selfishness" has gotten a bad rap, though. Even Socrates believed that when people do good for others, it is for selfish reasons: it makes them feel good. They are happy with themselves for helping others. And so being guided by self-interest, in my mind, is still a healthy idea.
 
 
+5 # ohyeahabsolutely 2011-04-27 18:37
Having said that self-interest is a good thing, I think the major problem in our society is that most wealthy folks don't realize that it is in their self-interest to have a vibrant middle-class, to have social safety nets for the poor and disenfranchised , to have a great public education system, etc. You can't be a successful businessman or artist or professional, whatever, if there is no one out there with the means to purchase your services. And I imagine that the wealthy would rather not see starving children on the street as they make their way to dinner at Jean Gorges.
The more that wealth concentrates in the hands of the few, the higher the walls and lines of barbed wire go up to protect the wealthy from the have-nots. Who wants to live in a society where you can't leave your house for fear of being attacked by someone with no other motive than that he's trying to feed his family? This is what many countries in Latin American and Africa have degenerated into, and its not a pretty sight.
It's in everyone's self-interest to have a vibrant, healthy democracy. You'd think these Tea Party fakers would remind themselves what the founding fathers were aspiring to when they tossed the damn tea off the boat.
 
 
+1 # RSJ 2011-04-28 14:14
I'd agree that, in our present situation, it is in the self-interest of the 'top ten percent' to insure that those lower on the economic scale are doing well, if only to underwrite their future profits and provide them with a stable society in which to sell their products and services. Sadly, many wealthy people are not very smart and business has changed from investing in the long-term and continuing success of the (usually family-owned) company to short-term financial gain and the hell with the consequences. I had to laugh when I read comments from the American who heads up Walmart's operations in China. He believes that once the US market is burned out and we can no longer afford big ticket electronics and the like, the Chinese will have a large enough middle-class to take up the slack and WM is poised to take advantage of that market. This is delusion on a hallucinogenic scale -- how are the Chinese going to make enough money to equal the American middle-class on the slave wages Walmart, et al, pay? Perhaps in 60 or 70 years, if there is a radical change in government in China, but in 10 or 20 -- impossible. This kind of 'magical thinking' is the reason we are in for a massive global economic collapse.
 

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