Excerpt: "Yet Lincoln's code also said that 'military necessity does not admit of cruelty ... nor of torture.'"
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No torture. No exceptions.
08 May 11
Torture apologists stain triumph over bin Laden.
he killing of Osama bin Laden after a fierce firefight in his Abbottabad compound is a great victory for our military and intelligence forces and for our civilian leadership. But the handwringing about whether it looked as though bin Laden was reaching for a gun or suicide belt, as if this were some who-is-the fastest-gun-in-the-West movie, and about whether we violated Pakistani sovereignty by going in after him is risible.
As the code of war that Abraham Lincoln promulgated in 1863 - the first anywhere - made clear: "military necessity admits of all direct destruction of life or limb of armed enemies ... it allows of the capturing of ... every enemy of importance to the hostile government." Yet Lincoln's code also said that "military necessity does not admit of cruelty ... nor of torture."
In this all civilized men and women agree: Torture is condemned by American law, international law and by the pronouncements of the Roman Catholic Church. In 2005 it was condemned by Congress at the instance of, among others, Sen. John McCain. Now, the same apologists who applauded President George W. Bush's authorization of torture - and make no mistake, waterboarding is torture - are working to stain this great triumph. They argue that but for their barbaric treatment of detainees through 2003, we would never have found our man.
The claim is indecent most immediately because there is no way of knowing whether it is true, and any attempt to prove or disprove it must reveal intelligence that our security requires remain secret. But even if true, it does not make the point. However dangerous he may have been, Osama bin Laden was not the ticking bomb requiring immediate defusing, so familiar now from television dramas. And that's just the point about making exceptions to moral imperatives that should remain exceptionless - like Lincoln's absolute condemnation of torture, or the condemnation of sexual degradation as a weapon of war, or the judicial killing of an innocent person to keep the peace. These things must never be done. To put such moral boundaries on the same level as legal niceties about sovereignty or the need for a warrant reveals a profoundly flawed sense of proportion.
Those who defend the use of torture and who are using bin Laden's killing to prove their point prove just the opposite. However vile, bin Laden was not the armed-nuclear-bomb-hidden-in-downtown-L.A. scenario of Jack Bauer's "24." The point is that once you are willing to cross the line of absolutely wrong, you must answer impossible questions: How many people must be endangered; how certain must we be of the danger; how sure must we be that this is the person who can lead us to the bomb and that the torture will work on him? What if the terrorist who planted the bomb is immune to torture or beyond our reach, but his young child is not? May we torture the child if that will make the terrorist talk? And how certain must we be that that will work?
One Bush torture apologist, like the 13th chime of the clock, has famously argued that even the torture of the child would be allowed. But, of course, the lack of a stopping place in justifying this evil shows how readily the resort to deliberate brutality metastasizes so that it can be used to justify torture to save just one person, or even if there is a chance of saving one person, or even if it involves random cruelty to soften up the next person we interrogate, as in the case of Abu Ghraib. To paraphrase Justice Robert Jackson, such an argument either has no beginning or it has no end.
As Lincoln understood, the main damage torture inflicts is on the torturer. We all suffer pain and we all must die. But while we live we must strive to be worthy of the humanity that is supposed to be the goal of our battles. Lincoln's code proclaims: "Men who take up arms against one another in public war do not cease on this account to be moral beings, responsible to one another and to God." Francis Lieber, who drafted the code at Lincoln's direction, elaborated: "The late proclamation of General Halleck, declaring himself ready for retaliation ... distinctly tells his officers and soldiers not to retaliate cruelly. ... Can we roast Indians, though they have roasted one of our own? Simple infliction of death is not considered cruelty."
The death of Osama bin Laden may ultimately prove to be a footnote to al-Qaeda's real moment of defeat. The same Muslim men and women bin Laden sought to recruit to jihad in the name of his Pol Pot-like caliphate are now revolting for a chance to lead decent lives in democratic nations governed by the same values that we proclaim guide us. Their goal is also our best hope for a lasting end to this war on terror. It defiles their sacrifice, as well as that of our own troops, if we who have long championed democracy embrace the brutal values of our enemies, even in the name of self-defense. We must deny bin Laden this posthumous victory.
Charles Fried, who teaches at Harvard Law School, and Gregory Fried, who is chairman of the philosophy department at Suffolk University, are the authors of "Because It Is Wrong: Torture, Privacy and Presidential Power in the Age of Terror."
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It would help this otherwise good argument to start out by getting the facts straight. There was no fierce firefight and bin Laden was in bed and unarmed. He was murdered point blank and in cold blood. There was no resistance. This was not a great day for the US forces. The killing was done by shadowy SEALS, secret teams of hit men and terrorists. No one will talk about what they do because all of it is illegal. The fact that a nation maintains such secret teams of killers is just as bad as the secret torture sites it maintains all over the world.
There may be some honor (outmoded however) in the military profession. But there is no honor is torturers or secret assassins. They come from the inherent brutality of a fascist state. The tactics of assassins and torturers has driven the USG across the line into fascism.
But it is more important to recall Jane Mayer's work on the torture regimes. It has never been about getting information. That is TV and pablum for the MSM. Jane Mayer saw instantly that it is about behavior modification. The CIA is trying to turn its captives into zombies it can use to create more violence around the world.
After 9/11, it became very clear that bin Laden was the mastermind behind the attack and every al Qaeda attack before and since. While I don't like the term "War on Terror" there should be no doubt that bin Laden was an enemy of America and deserved to die. PERIOD
As to whether it was done to your high moral standards or not, is of no concern to me or most other humans on the planet I suspect. Until you can say you rapelled out of a helicopter, in the middle of the night, behind "enemy lines" into COMPLETE UNKNOWN, and would be able to think in that moment of confrontation "gee; should we arrest him or shoot him now" stop talking. You reveal very unflattering things about your intellect, and reasoning skills.
The article focused on torture. We should ALL be able to agree with the message it put forth. It also mentioned that killing an enemy, WITHOUT TORTURE, is a reasonable thing to do in a war situation.
The question I have been having to wonder about is, why are we in Iraq and Afghanistan when the clear "state" enemies of America have always been Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?
This man may have been used as a "boogie man" by Bush and Cheney but he was also heralded as a super hero by his followers. He was a psychological demoralization factor for America as well.
Killing a general, especially "THE" general of your enemy is more than eliminating a "boogie-man". It is a huge, strategic coup in a war. Who would have led the Nazis when Hitler was killed?
People need to view bin Laden, not as a Timothy McVey figure but as a Hitler figure. It was his money, ideas, plans, and "vision" for his cause that drove al Qaeda. To think he deserved a "day in court" is rather idiotic I think.
Now, Sadaam; That was clearly a problematic assassination. Just as going after Ghadafi would be.
Comparisons linking Bush and Cheney to what Obama has been doing is very misguided and il thought out.
I know there is nothing I can say to you or anyone that believes causing the death of another human is never justified. I have seen the many posts about conspiracy theories and "special, secret information" and I really do not wish to engage in those kinds of discussions. It would truly be a waste of both of our time.
So you choose not to believe that Bin Laden was THE driving force behind Al Qaeda and that he deserved to be hunted down and killed as much as Hitler did. That's your prerogative. I am of a different opinion.
Maybe it's because I am from a military family. Maybe it's because I believe we were attacked and the MANY news releases from OBL through the years were real.
Maybe I'm just gullible. I believe Obama was born here; I accepted that with the first piece of evidence (and before actually)
The point is, I see some of you in an equal light to Teabaggers right now. Your comments defy reason to me.
Sorry; I wish we were talking about the false hand wringing over deficit spending or why we should be out of Iraq and Afghanistan now, but we aren't.
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The future perhaps? I sure as hell hope not.
It is hard to believe that people who write idiotically false statements like this can keep a job at Harvard. They don't understand bin Laden or Pol Pot. They have only watched too much US TV and have heads filled with boogiemen. I wonder just exactly what the "values that we proclaim guide us" are? I'd be scared to discover what the brothers Fried have in mind.
As to academic standards at Harvard; they gave a diploma to George W. Bush.
I do believe people will decide to change sides, given the opportunity to see what makes us better (on balance). See http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/vietnam/rvn-af-kit-carson.htm for a description of the former enemies that made up the Vietnamese Kit Carson/Tiger Scouts. A Vietnamese friend told me one former VC, captured as a 15 year old, was going to be shot but his commander's pistol failed to fire in 3 attempts. By some divine inspiration, this commander who had routinely killed captives for a dozen years or more (like his family had been killed by VC), started asking the boy why he had become a VC. When his story closely matched why the commander had chosen the other side, he not only spared him but they became inseparable, with the boy becoming his personal body guard, sleeping on the floor, blocking the door to his bedroom from from old enemies, thirty years after being spared. Though they would kill their old friends and neighbors in an instant during combat, they would treat each others families with respect and try to make peace, or convert them whenever possible. Hal Moore and Joe Galloway's, "We are Soldiers, Still," explains some of better than I could ever do.
Sane people everyone understand and agree that torture is evil, immoral, against our laws and international laws and is flat out wrong.
Anything else takes us back into the Dark Ages.
The moral high ground started the Inquisition. "We have to torture you to save your soul". Torture and moral justification go hand-in-glove.
To put it simply, a people who give their assent to torture, are by definition, no worthy of the so-called 'protection' that torture promises to bring.
BTW, since when did we start letting our televisions tell us what to think? Jack Bauer is an image on a screen, meant for entertainment purposes ONLY. If I want moral guidance I'll look inside myself, and not stop looking until I find it.
And since when does the Catholic church have anything to tell us about killing or torture? Some people don't read history, or the bible.
And some people don't read the latest newspaper either. Please don't speak to us of Catholic morality.
In any large population of humans there is a fringe population of pathological sadists not made, but born. However, a culture of sadism can be created, involving the majority of a population. Children whose parents are raped and murdered in front of their eyes, and who are then used as military slaves (sexually, as well as for special military purposes), can be made into cold-blooded killers of innocents, and rapists and torturers. Right now, today, there are parts of Africa where this phenomenon is not the exception, but the rule. Also, right here in the U.S. there are children who have grown up under conditions that condition them to feel, think and behave as does a born psychopath. In the armed forces, and in the police forces, of ANY nation, there are individuals who are psychopaths by birth (just as there are people born with various kind so abnormalities), and there are individuals who have grown up under conditions that would turn anyone into a fiend. Some of these individuals mask their sadistic and exploitive natures until opportunities arise in which they are encouraged to express their sadistic leanings, or feel they can do so without risk to themselves.
Sadism and torture are one and the same.
A healthy economy is one of balance. Too little regulation is detrimental, and too much is detrimental. Too little tax is as detrimental as too much tax.
Too much power to any minority is just as detrimental as too little power to a minority.
Too much government power is bad, but no worse than too little.
Too much regulation is harmful, and so is too little.
Big business, given its head, and running amuck is destructive for everybody but those who profit from big business, but when kept from running amuck, big business offers advantages.
Republican propaganda suggests that big business and big money (the marketplace)wou ld make the world better for everybody, if government and the voters would just get out of the way, and stop impeding them in that goal, by putting checks and balances on them.
ANY imbalance is unhealthy. Currently, big business and the top 1% of wealth have too much control, and want more.
The object of torture is torture. I'll add that it has the added benefit of intimidating law abiding citizens so they won't complain.
But as happy as I am that Bin Laden is dead, it is wrong to celebrate it. Still, no matter how it was handled, I would hate to have seen the fall-out if the mission failed and if they kept him alive, it would have been a disaster.
One more thing, I am betting that Pakistan knew we were coming and looked the other way. We were there 40 minutes. A helicopter blew up. I find it hard to believe that the Pakistani police could not have been there in 5 minutes.
Glad you didn't hold your breath.
Nice pearl diving.
Check again. Some of our own have broken so badly under water boarding that the value of it as preparation is doubtful. There are some things you cannot train for.
Torture and death are two of them. The human body and mind have limited durability.
That is why, in security work, some personnel are deliberately misinformed, and those provided the nitty are limited to a need to know basis, only.
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