Parry writes: "For many Americans the progression toward war with Iran has the feel of cattle being herded from the stockyard into the slaughterhouse, pressed steadily forward with no turning back, until some guy shoots a bolt into your head."
The USS John C Stennis is one of three US carriers reportedly in Persian Gulf region, 12/29/11. (photo: US Navy)
Herding Americans to War With Iran
13 January 12
or many Americans the progression toward war with Iran has the feel of cattle being herded from the stockyard into the slaughterhouse, pressed steadily forward with no turning back, until some guy shoots a bolt into your head.
Any suggestion of give-and-take negotiations with Iran is mocked, while alarmist propaganda, a ratcheting up of sanctions, and provocative actions – like Wednesday’s assassination of yet another Iranian scientist – push Americans closer to what seems like an inevitable bloodletting.
Even the New York Times now acknowledges that Israel, with some help from the United States, appears to be conducting a covert war of sabotage and assassination inside Iran. "The campaign, which experts believe is being carried out mainly by Israel, apparently claimed its latest victim on Wednesday when a bomb killed a 32-year-old nuclear scientist in Tehran’s morning rush hour," Times reporter Scott Shane wrote in Thursday’s editions.
Though U.S. officials emphatically denied any role in the murder, Israeli officials did little to discourage rumors of an Israeli hand in the bombing. Some even expressed approval. Brig. Gen. Yoav Mordechai said he didn’t know who killed the scientist but added: "I am definitely not shedding a tear."
The latest victim, Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, was the fifth scientist associated with Iran’s nuclear program to be killed in the past four years, with a sixth scientist narrowly escaping death in 2010, Fereydoon Abbasi, who is now head of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization.
As might be expected, Iran has denounced the murders as acts of terrorism. They have been accompanied by cyber-attacks on Iranian centrifuges and an explosion at a missile facility late last year killing a senior general and 16 others.
While this campaign has slowed Iran’s nuclear progress, it also appears to have hardened its resolve to continue work on a nuclear capability, which Iran says is for peaceful purposes only. Iranian authorities also have responded to tightening economic sanctions from Europe and the United States with threats of their own, such as warnings about closing the oil routes through the Strait of Hormuz and thus damaging the West’s economies.
Target: USA
Another front in Israel’s cold war against Iran appears to be the propaganda war being fought inside the United States, where the still-influential neoconservatives are deploying their extensive political and media resources to shut off possible routes toward a peaceful settlement, while building support for future military strikes against Iran.
Fitting with that propaganda strategy, the Washington Post’s editorial page, which is essentially the neocons’ media flagship, published a lead editorial on Wednesday urging harsher and harsher sanctions against Iran and ridiculing anyone who favored reduced tensions.
Noting Iran’s announcement that it had opened a better-protected uranium enrichment plant near Qom, the Post wrote: "In short, the new Fordow operation crosses another important line in Iran’s advance toward a nuclear weapons capability.
"Was it a red line for Israel or the United States? Apparently not, for the Obama administration at least. In a television interview Sunday, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said: ‘Our red line to Iran is: do not develop a nuclear weapon.’ He asserted that Tehran was not trying to develop a weapon now, only ‘a nuclear capability.’ The Revolutionary Guard, which controls the nuclear program, might well take that as a green light for the new enrichment operation."
While portraying Panetta as an Iranian tool, the Post suggested that anyone who wanted to turn back from an Iran confrontation was an Iranian useful fool. The Post wrote:
"The recent flurry of Iranian threats has had the intended effect of prompting a new chorus of demands in Washington that the United States and its allies stop tightening sanctions and instead make another attempt at ‘engagement’ with the regime. The Ahmadinejad government itself reportedly has proposed new negotiations, and Turkey has stepped forward as a host.
"Almost certainly, any talks will reveal that Iran is unwilling to stop its nuclear activities or even to make significant concessions. But they may serve to stop or greatly delay a European oil embargo or the implementation of sanctions on the [Iranian] central bank - and buy time for the Fordow centrifuges to do their work."
The Post’s recommended instead "that every effort must be made to intensify sanctions" and to stop Iranian sale of oil anywhere in the world. In other words, continue to ratchet up the tensions and cut off hopes for genuine negotiations.
A Vulnerable Obama
The escalating neocon demands for an ever-harder U.S. line against Iran - and Israel’s apparent campaign of killings and sabotage inside Iran - come at a time when President Barack Obama and some of his inner circle appear to be looking again for ways to defuse tensions. But the Post’s editorial – and similar neocon propaganda – have made clear that any move toward reconciliation will come with a high political price tag.
Already, a recurring Republican talking point is that Obama’s earlier efforts to open channels of negotiation with Iran and other foreign adversaries proved his naivete and amounted to "apologizing" for America. Obama also has faced resistance within his own administration, especially from neocon-lites such as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
For instance, in spring 2010, a promising effort – led by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Brazil’s then-President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva – got Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to agree to relinquish Iranian control of nearly half the country’s supply of low-enriched uranium in exchange for isotopes for medical research.
The Turkish-Brazilian initiative revived a plan first advanced by Obama in 2009 – and the effort had the President’s private encouragement. But after Ahmadinejad accepted the deal, Secretary Clinton and other U.S. hardliners switched into overdrive to kill the swap and insist instead on imposing harsher sanctions against Iran.
At the time, Clinton’s position was endorsed by editors at the Washington Post and the New York Times, who mocked Erdogan and Lula da Silva as inept understudies on the international stage. If anything, the Post and Times argued, the United States should take an even more belligerent approach toward Iran, i.e. seeking “regime change.” [See Consortiumnews.com’s "WPost, NYT Show Tough-Guy Swagger."]
As Clinton undercut the uranium swap and pushed instead for a new round of United Nations’ sanctions, Lula da Silva released a private letter from Obama who had urged the Brazilians to press forward with the swap arrangement. However, with Washington’s political momentum favoring another confrontation with a Muslim adversary, Obama retreated and lined up behind the sanctions.
Over the next nearly two years, the sanctions have failed to stop Iran’s work on enriched uranium which it claims is needed for medical research. Israel, the neocons and other American hardliners have responded by demanding still more draconian sanctions, while promoting anti-Iran propaganda inside the United States and winking at the murder of Iranian scientists inside Iran.
In this U.S. election year, Israel and the neocons may understand that their political leverage on Obama is at its apex. So, if he again searches for openings to negotiate with Iran, he can expect the same kind of nasty disdain that the Washington Post heaped on Panetta on Wednesday.
The Carter-Begin Precedent
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other Likud leaders appear to fear a second Obama term – when he’d be freed from the need to seek reelection – much as their predecessors feared a second term for President Jimmy Carter in 1980. Then, Prime Minister Menachem Begin thought that Carter in a second term would team up with Egyptian President Anwar Sadat in forcing Israel to accept a Palestinian state.
Begin’s alarm about that prospect was described by Israeli intelligence and foreign affairs official David Kimche in his 1991 book, The Last Option. Kimche wrote that Begin’s government believed that Carter was overly sympathetic to the Palestinians.
"Begin was being set up for diplomatic slaughter by the master butchers in Washington," Kimche wrote. "They had, moreover, the apparent blessing of the two presidents, Carter and Sadat, for this bizarre and clumsy attempt at collusion designed to force Israel to abandon her refusal to withdraw from territories occupied in 1967, including Jerusalem, and to agree to the establishment of a Palestinian state."
Extensive evidence now exists that Begin’s preference for Ronald Reagan led Israelis to join in a covert operation with Republicans to contact Iranian leaders behind Carter’s back and delay release of the 52 American hostages then being held in Iran until after Reagan defeated Carter in November 1980. [For details, see Robert Parry’s Secrecy & Privilege or Consortiumnews.com’s "The Back Story on Iran’s Clashes."]
Today, Obama’s relationship with Netanyahu seems as strained as Carter’s relationship with Begin was three decades ago. And already many American neocons have signed up with Obama’s Republican rivals, including with GOP frontrunner Mitt Romney whose foreign policy white paper was written by prominent neocons.
So the question now is: Will the President of the United States take his place amid the herd of cattle getting steered into the slaughterhouse of another war?
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If you don't punish criminals they will keep on committing crimes. They will think you don't mind being lied to. Obama said that he would focus on looking forward and not looking backward. Well now the past has caught up to him and the neo-cons are boxing him into a war against Iran. The past never leaves us. It may be too late for Obama to neutralize the neo-cons. Obama must know that a war against Iran would be a disaster for the US. Now that Israel has gotten itself so committed to a war it cannot back out. It wants the US to bear all of the burden. Obama will have to tell Israel "NO" and that won't be easy. No president has ever done it.
This is a real test of American independence. Does the US get to make its own decisions or does it follow orders from Israel?
Obama is in the corner - and is 100% responsible for his situation.
IF he says NO - without AIPAC money (and AIPAC media) he will NOT get reelected.
There is a conspiracy going on to put AIPAC Hillary on the ticket -
It will be dirty - look what they did to Carter.
BTW - off topic - but check "liberated" Libya situation -
"Libya S.O.S. resistance news: 14. January 2012.
01h/ LIBYA and the NTC: 12,000 U.S. troops to Libya[by Cynthia McKinney] - Now, from Libya, reports are that even while the Misrata rebels (NATO allies responsible for the murder of hundreds of Libyans, including Moatessem Qaddafi) attempted to scale the petroleum platforms in Brega (an important oil town in Libya), they were annihilated by the Apache helicopters of their own NATO allies. A resistance Libyan doctor-become-journalist reported yesterday that all of the petroleum platforms are occupied by NATO and that warships occupy Libya's ports. Photographs show Italian encampments in the desert with an announcement that the French are to follow"
libyasos.blogspot.com/p/news.html
NEOCONS are Obama/Clinton/Sarkozy .. crimes
If people and Patriots are going to be able to depose and rid our dear country of the neo-CON MIC / Amairka Inc / Fourth Reich vermin, then we MUST become evermore informed and in turn inform as many like-minded people and Patriots as we can. AIPAC's $-political-$ clout is a prime example of funding Obama's campaign will need Patriots to match and overcome IF we expect Obama to be able to overcome MIC / Israeli lobbyists from buying the American / Israeli foreign policy Israel / AIPAC desires such as dragging the U.S. into war with Iran. Matching AIPAC's $-blackmail-$ of American / Israeli foreign policy amounts to about $10 each for 2.5% of the adult U.S. population, ...not unsurmountable IF people / Patriots desire to provide Obama the fuel he needs to make headway against the MIC / Amairka Inc / Fourth Reich; And if not then we get what we didn't do.
We want their Oil, and we will take what we want that is what an empire3 does!
there are many factions - MANY Israeli-Americans (by default) know how bad Netanyahu government is - if I want information on Israel I go to Haaretz NOT New York Times.
"'Israeli Mossad agents posed as CIA spies to recruit terrorists to fight against Iran'
Foreign Policy magazine cites CIA memos from 2007-2008 that the Mossad recruited members of Jundallah terror group to fight against Tehran; U.S. was reportedly furious with Israel and moved to limit joint intelligence programs."
From 9/11, if not earlier, we Americans have an obsession with national security. We seem to be committed to a Planet Earth in which Americans are absolutely secure. It is a will-o-the-wisp. Pursuit of it will undermine what real security is possible. Just as we cannot threaten Pakistan into some form of total submission to the American Will, so, increasingly, we must find some way of accommodating many nations a place in the sun--and without assuming that we are the planet's angry landlord.
I have a very secret heresy which I would like to share with my fellow Americans: America is not God.
It's obvious that Obama is not going to prosecute guilty parties in the geeeeduhb administration for their crimes; And will deter anyone else from doing so; And yesterday 1-13-12, SOS H. Clinton said the U.S. would prosecute to the fullest any other U.S. Soldiers "peeing" on / desecrating enemy corpses. HUH??? Prosecute Soldiers for "peeing" on enemy corpses, yet never a word about prosecuting the filthy, lying bush administration criminals for hosing "roasted hamburger BBQs" upon about 1 million innocent men, women and children??? Might it be because the Obama Administration is edging evermore closer to similar guilt? Hillary really showed her true colors: Why-of-course, don't we dare tarnish the image of the U.S. war machine's pawns (that our govt, pentagon and VA all too often treat like disposable diapers). Sure looks to me like the MIC / Amairka Inc / Fourth Reich is playing the Obama white house like a piano, and the tune sure ain't 'chop sticks'.
" evidence now exists that Begin’s preference for Ronald Reagan led Israelis to join in a covert operation with Republicans to contact Iranian leaders behind Carter’s back and delay release of the 52 American hostages then being held in Iran until after Reagan defeated Carter in November 1980. [For details, see Robert Parry’s Secrecy & Privilege or Consortiumnews.com’s "The Back Story on Iran’s Clashes."]"
NEVER AGAIN
But exactly who will be those 'traitors and domestic terrorists'? first of all, to go off after Muslims and 'Al Qaeda' is to be taken in by the 911 'Official History' myth-unless you believe that jet-grade kerosene really can melt steel-all 100,000 tons f it in each tower, falling at free-fall speed-i.e. No resistance between falling floors. It is more likely to be you and I locked up because we disagree with further wars or job loss or loss of services including Social Security or something like that. The camps are there: empty, waiting and ObombO just signed the NDAA Bill-Homeland Battlefield bill. Somewhere we are probably already on a list.
BTW_I thought there was a presumption of innocence and probable cause in the Constitution-now we have gone to lock-up first/trial after in your best world? As far as I know 'PreCrime' is a bad idea but I do think we have reached the point of 'Sentence first, trial afterward' as the Duchess said to Alice.
Now, I'd guess it likely (yes!) has something to do with oil but does anyone have another idea? :-)
Bush used to be fond of saying "I'm the decider." Natanyahoo feels this way to. They have no sense that they are responsible to their populations or to law. They are above people and above law.
It is too bad there is no way to remove psychopaths from power. We are always stuck with our Hitlers, Netanyahoos, Cheneys, Reagans, and so on. This is a real flaw in democratic systems.
Scared and unpredictable - and US congress jumps and applauds.
US is in the similar situation.
They have no sense of reality - I still believe that Israel will have internal regime change. At least Israel has opposition mass media - that US lost long time ago.
Obama's speak of downsizing our military and consolidating government agencies is quite a contrast for gearing up for another war; But looks like some serious public relations competition between the Obama Camp and the MIC / Reich to bolster their hands in negotiating how to deal with Iran; And I dare say no Presidential administration alone stands a chance to defeat the MIC / Reich's dead-serious agendas, capabilities and resolve; No white house since JFK has been ignorant of JFK's demise. Like R. Parry admonishes us, we'd damn sure better get our voices and butts in gear before the Reich's vast & expert propaganda machine takes us right back into yet another war for no REAL reason than the MIC / Reich's Afghan heroin logistics, oil, and filthy rich $-war-$ $-contracts-$.
Why are we worried about Iran with Nukes, we should be worried about ourselves since we are the only ones to use them on another nation. Why cant Iran just be Iran ? They are a sovereign nation that doesn't need us or anyone else to tell them how to live. We (The US) are the bad guys are hell-bent on World Domination.
The writing is on the wall and War with Iran is inevitable as we have no government in place that can stop it - they all work for Citigroup, General Dynamics, Halliburton & the Carlyle Group.
The US, Nato, and Israel will bomb Iran into the stone age. There will be no water, electricity, bridges, food, sewage, communications, etc. After not too long, the mercenaries will control the nation.
libyasos.blogspot.com/p/news.html
"Liberated Libyan people" are pretty well colonized by NATO and Qataris and Emiratees are the engineers now at the oil plants ..
Wonder why NYT/mass media are so quiet about "new" Libya.
The strange thing is that so many liberals support an Iranian regime that treats women like cattle and demands death for homosexuality and stoning for rape VICTIMS. Strange bedfellows!
Isreal has supported Iran in the past. Don't forget the Iran-Contra scandal. The US sold weapons to Iran via Israel and used the money to support the Contra war. Israel was Iran's main supplier of weapons during the Iran-Iraq war. There were pretty close ties between the nations after that and even today.
This war crap is just the dream of the neo-cons in the US and Israel. Some are dual citizens. All are psychopaths.
2. The oil is deep underground, it would still be there. Some disruption, possibly. Total destruction, no.
...The CIA deposed Mohammed Mosadegh;
...We installed the feckless, prodigal, puppet Shah & organized & trained the dreaded SAVAK;
...We instigated & supported Iraq's war of agression on Iranm;
...We impose sanctions aimed at shutting down Iran's oil production and crippling her financial stability;
... We (obviously) work w/Israel to sabotage Iranian industrial equipment w/electronic worms;
We are certainly involved in the assassination of (to date) five Iranian nuclear scientists & engineers;
... we provoke problems by continuous saber rattling and routing US warships through Iranian territorial waters;
...We revel in irresponsible, loose talk by would-be, presidential candidates regarding bombing Iran
... Etc.,
Our most irresponsible, egregious action, however is our refusal to sit down at a table w/Iran to negotiate in good faith as equals. It costs nothing to talk, but the to-date-cost of our arrogant, imperial, insolence of dismissing Iran as negotiating partner is growing by the day with no end in sight.
Some cabal of egotistical assholes is rapidly shepherding us into a war that we cannot afford to fight and that can never win . . . in a quagmire that will entrap us for decades and cost trillions of dollars & overall, hundreds-of thousands of lives.
The hostage crisis under Carter had nothing to do with negotiating with the Iranians. The people taken prisoner were not there to "negotiate - they were the Americans (CIA, et al) who were there to control the Shah and train his SAVAK thugs.
The USA has NEVER made any serious efforts to negotiate ANYTHING with Iran. . . as a matter o fact, we flatly refuse even to consider negotiations.
As for Iran's nukes: Israel is hovering over the area with +/- 150 on-the-shelf bombs and flatly refuses any inspections by IAEC. I'll let Leon Pinetta speak for me: quote: Iran IS NOT building a bomb! unquote..Iran is allowing IAEC inspections.
So just exactly whom do you suppose is the rogue state involved here?
Try listening to something other than Rush Limbaugh & FOX News, Brother. You might learn something of value. You are making a good start by checking rsn out.
I meant negotiate in the sense that that is the purpose of diplomats in general.
It has long been a fact that a number of diplomats may in fact have other duties beyond attending the cocktails and canape circuit. If the host nation objects to that they can ask for them to be recalled always with the risk that their diplomats in Washington with "other duties" may also have to go home.
There is a long recognized international rule that diplomats have diplomatic immunity, what Iran did to those American diplomats was a crime yet no one has ever been punished for it.
Do you actually believe Iran is not trying to develop a nuclear weapon?
The purpose of diplomats is to advance and protect a country's trade interests abroad. Historically, if the diplomate cannot advance or protect our interests, we go to war. "War is diplomacy carried t a different level." (Bismark & Von Clauswitz)
The diplomats that you ar speaking of were elbow deep in trying to hold back a revolution whose time had come. Yes diplomate are granted immunity, but when faced with the chaos of more-or-less violent spontaneous revolution, the rule (which our sanguine "diplomats" totally ignored) is is "Get the hel out of Dodge!"
Iranian nukes? Leon Pinetta sez "No (for now).", but if you were an Iranian looking down the barrel of the Israeli's 150+ operational, on-the shelf nukes, would you be building a nuclear arsenal for self defense? You bet your as you would, just as quickly as you could,
This is terrorism in its truest sense and yet we - unlike the statements of condemnation & support for the USA issued by the It Iranians on the day following 9-11 - the USA has issued not one word of condemnation. What hypocrites we are!
What we sew, so shall we reap.
J. Glenn Evans
The soldiers being killed in battle and
the civilians being killed in their beds
are never the sons, daughters and families of the people in power who
started the war.
Look back yourself over the last 40 years and tell me that the demonstrators marching in the streets against all these wars have ultimately not been proven to be more presciently correct than the CIA, the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House. The "best and brightest" indeed!
NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!
our future is at stake
So do we get indefinite detention without charges for supporting Israel, Israeli groups or Israeli charities under NDAA?
Israel knew Iraq had no WMD, says MP
Associated Press
The Guardian, Wednesday 4 February 2004 03.55 EST
Article history
"...A prominent Israeli MP said yesterday that his country's intelligence services knew claims that Saddam Hussein was capable of swiftly launching weapons of mass destruction were wrong but withheld the information from Washington.
"It was known in Israel that the story that weapons of mass destruction could be activated in 45 minutes was an old wives' tale," Yossi Sarid, a member of the foreign affairs and defence committee which is investigating the quality of Israeli intelligence on Iraq, told the Associated Press yesterday..."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/feb/04/iraq.israel
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Go figure...
Who is creating fear? Netanyahu government.
Netanyahoo is NOT Israel - but represents Terrorist State of Israel.
When polls are made - MOST of the Israelis and MOST of the Palestinians WANT negotiation/Peace.
Poll: Most Palestinians want peace with Israel - Haaretz Daily ...
www.haaretz.com/.../poll-most-palestinians-want-peace-with-israel-1...
Jun 20, 2010 – Fafo poll conducted in West Bank and Gaza finds that 89% ..
THERE IS SOMETHING VERY UNDEMOCRATIC in state of Israel.
People push for land that belonged to them 'cause they want land to build on and Israel shoves back with a big no.
Can Obama stand up to them and still be reelected? Big question.
It's sickening!
Clearly whoever took out the Iranian nuclear scientist did their best to minimize collateral damage. Suggests they have first rate intelligence.
Israel's Mossad -the equivalent of the C.I.A., are one of the best-trained and efficient covert forces in the world. They are heavily funded by the US and have been working against Iran more and more steadily and provocatively since the last part of the Bush presidency, including recruiting known terrorists (so much with "No dealing with terrorists") as you can read in: http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9010171153.
One hope I have for the US/Israeli push to war, if a small one, is that so many troops a.k.a "Cannon Fodder for the owner-capitalists" like the recently addressed on RSN Carlyle Group, the Koch's an their ilk, will be coming home disillusioned, damaged and deflated from a phony war based on lies and may refuse to repeat the dose against Iran -which is a Theocracy much better armed and organized than Iraq.
Of course perhaps this is the real meaning of the "exit" or "drawdown", much of the force currently being re-directed to Israel.
And again, this could be a long-planned strategy to justify the biggest embassy in the world in Baghdad -to control the entire Mid-East.
But the ghost of Suez hovers and Edmund Burke's wise observation that, "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it."
Israel and the UK -as former perpetrators with France- could be well advised to recall the result of that former debacle on their own national status.
There was only a problem because the USA failed to back it's principal allies. Militarily it was a success, but it was a political failure and as a result Egypt had to endure years if dictatorship.
It was a "Success" initially as Nasser (Not a dictator but in fact like Mossadegu in 1953, only wanted a certain amount of revenue and benefits from the canal for Egypt) was outgunned and overwhelmingly outnumbered but after retreating within his own borders, took the simple expedient of sinking 40 ships in the canal, thereby making it impassable and forcing the aggressors to abandon their ambitions, which retreat was at the urging of the UN -and the US went along with that, possibly because they were busy engineering a coup against democratically-elected Arbenz government in Guatemala (thereby plunging the country into a long murderous nightmare from which they are only now trying to emerge) and propping up other right-wing violent dictatorships in S. & Central Americas at the behest of the Dulles Bro' criminal dynasty and United Fruit (Now Chiquita Brands).
Get y'r facts right mate -and watch where you buy y'r bananas!
I am already boycotting Chiquita because they are boycotting Canadian oil.
One can have no trust at all in Obama to stand tall for patience with Iran. The man is incapable of standing tall. We who campaigned to nominate him rather than Hillary the Hawk have long since learned how futile our effort was; for what we got was Hillarization.
Here, with the Republicans in an Alpha Male pissing contest over Iran, we can trust Obama to wiggle toward a position in which he is not an easy target. If you would prefer not to see your days on planet earth conclude with Armageddon, it may be time to line up whatever energies you have in order to resist.
yes - and this is not in "defense" budget - but energy department ..
US military budget is $1.63 trillion (2x the official budget)
Led by U.S., world military spending rises 1.3% – This Just In - CNN ...
news.blogs.cnn.com/.../led-by-u-s-world-military-spending-rises-1-3/
Apr 13, 2011 – ... out $1.63 trillion in military spending last year, a 1.3% increase over 2009, ... The United States is the world's biggest military spender by far, ...
Deficit was $1.3 trillion ...
And we lie about military cost as CCCP did before collapse/bankruptcy.
Could it be possible that you are looking forward to seeing millions of Americans incinerated. What would be the most monstrous crime in human history and you appear to relish the thought. As for the purported things you blame on the USA. Hogwash. How much loony left Coolaid have you ingested?
My own view is that the USA is a shinning light in this world and those who post here and enjoy US citizenship should get down on bended knee and thank whichever deity they worship (Marx, Mao, one of the Kims?) for their good fortune.
Now, in my 70s, having been born in Europe, shortly after the beginning of WWl1, seen and participated while in military at numerous actions, our present 'conflicts' do not differ much from the previous. There are too many similarities to not consider this next effort to be a continuous struggle of humanity to assert itself. We must remind ourselves that history will indeed repeat itself, i.e. war and other like games, regardless of what the current issues might be; we will make up what best suits our conscience for the immediate posterity and future. Check with your great-grand-children for verification or go back to the Babylonians forward for historical truth. My non-confrontational comment is why there'll be no responses, except perhaps from a clergy. Our psyche near the end of this millenium is confrontational in nature, just as the Big Book predicts. Read it with understanding and discernment, and tell me I'm not right, and correct me. If, in the next 50 years, we are not wiping us from the face of this earth, there might be hope for this humanity to a slight degree. If, on the other hand, we might wish to seek the true integration of our species and the future of homo sapien through unbiased assimilation, perhaps we have a greater chance of exploring the world beyond. Because, we will have problems with expansionism in less than 250 years! Hopefully, in the interim, we'll not ruin our home in the next 50!
I love my God and his Word dearly; But I despise men who abuse it for their own vulgarly selfish, power and war mongering agendas that are quite the opposite of the Bible and Old Testament they thump; Not a bit different than those that abuse the Koran for same.
By SEAN YOONG
The Associated Press
Thursday, August 3, 2006; 10:49 AM
PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel. In a speech during an emergency meeting of Muslim leaders, Ahmadinejad also called for an immediate halt to fighting in Lebanon between Israel and the Iranian-backed militant group Hezbollah.
"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said.
Ahmadinejad, who has drawn international condemnation with previous calls for Israel to be wiped off the map, said the Middle East would be better off "without the existence of the Zionist regime."
Israel "is an illegitimate regime, there is no legal basis for its existence," he said. --end of quote--
This same hate-filled war monger has also denied the Holocaust, standing in solidarity with an assortment of neo-Nazis and psychopaths who long for nothing less than a second Holocaust. I ask again, why should Israel not believe
itself to be in grave danger? How can we ignore the huge, radioactive mad elephant on the couch?
We have become the world's most aggressive country and frankly, if I were Iran I'd probably be looking for a deterrent to attack by the US. Remember MAD during the cold war with the USSR?
Surely, Iran knows that if they used nukes against the US first they would be wiped off the face of the earth by a barrage of nuclear bombs from the US.
Exactly. It IS the same. In fact it's a similar, sickening imperial refrain that' been spouted for many years against many countries, usually poor, WMDs or not; at times wrapped up in a "new & improved packaging."
Neocons & other Righties like Israel's need a reality tour, being thrust into an imperial war unarmed & of their own making. They could directly see & experience the horrors firsthand among the recipient local populations w/ the real risk of being gunned down or bombed by U.S. &/or Israeli weapons; or experience a torture scandal, ironically being called a terrorist (not tourist) in the process.
This is just crazy, fix our own country first and let the troops come home to regroup and rest. We treat our troops like they are so despensable and not even human. I'm sick of these wars that are killing our own people....I can't even count how many times we have gone into other countries to fight or start a fight or just keep the shit going. One angry American...
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