Adams writes: "Republicans worship a Nazi Jesus, not the Christ of the Bible. They picture a Jesus bearing a sword riding a white horse to slay millions of unbelievers. Revelation is where they lay claim to the view, but the Gospels' depiction must be discarded in order to arrive. A judgmental 'God' justifies a judgmental following. Thus, it's condoned to hate and kill gays, Muslims, aliens, liberals, and all others not of their belief-system. Jesus' Number One principle must be suspended in order for them to condone bigotry: 'Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength; and love others as you do yourself.'"
Thousands attended 'The Response,' a religious event organized by Republican Gov. Rick Perry in order to pray for God to help save America: 'a nation in crisis,' 08/06/11. (photo: Brandon Thibodeaux/Getty Images)
Republicans Worship a Nazi Jesus
19 December 11
ow you view God is how you see man. An individual's concept of "God" determines how one treats others. The same principle applies for a culture, nation or movement. If one envisions a vengeful, wrathful superior being, wrath and retribution are levied against "others" outside the "chosen." The religion justifies prejudice with all its ugly manifestations: verbal abuse, theft, deceit, injustice, violence, and the ultimate - "final solution." Religion was the foundation for Nazism which gave birth to Holocaust.
This is another law of human nature oft overlooked - which coincides with Voltaire's cardinal truth: "People who believe absurdities will soon commit atrocities."
It is a massive cult gripping America spinning it to hell. The current gridlock has its roots in right religion. Remove the religious right's powerful influence over America, a measure of sanity may return. Imagine a world without religion, as found in John Lennon's lyrics:
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace
You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world
You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one
I am not stating all religion is bad, because it's in human nature to invent such philosophical mindsets as a security blanket for an torrid unexplainable existence. I'm just saying the distorting of Jesus' image and words is the sacrilege that destroys individuals and nations - or, for that matter, the perversion of other revered theological figures.
America's religious right loathes the concept of a Jesus who speaks of humility, meekness, generosity, compassion and sacrifice. Somehow these virtues de-masculinize the Messiah. And Republicans loathe a feminized Jesus, because humble characteristics are feminine, in their view.
Nazis had the same distorted reasoning in that the Jesus of the Gospels didn't fit their ideology. So they had to mold "God" into their own image, culminating in a Holy Bible re-write of 1938, approved by the Fuhrer, which were loaded with anti-semitic passages.
Republicans worship a Nazi Jesus, not the Christ of the Bible. They picture a Jesus bearing a sword riding a white horse to slay millions of unbelievers. Revelation is where they lay claim to the view, but the Gospels' depiction must be discarded in order to arrive. A judgmental "God" justifies a judgmental following. Thus, it's condoned to hate and kill gays, Muslims, aliens, liberals, and all others not of their belief-system.
Jesus' Number One principle must be suspended in order for them to condone bigotry: "Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength; and love others as you do yourself."
But in their view, this cardinal command must be set aside for the End Times prophecies to be completed - when a wrathful, vengeful "God" re-appears to annihilate the billions. This eschatological element is what drives America's religious right to insanity and what is driving America off the cliff - since the religious right is such a significant segment of society. The culture war is here and now, and it has its roots in religion - albeit counter to Jesus' teachings.
America's religious right needs to return to its "first love."
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The Nazis were mostly very anti-Christian, and of course anti-Semitic. While some promoted an aggressive, militant Christianity, most of the history between the Nazi party and the church was fraught with tension and mutual mistrust.
Martin Bormann (private secretary to Hitler) "believed Nazism was based on a "scientific" world-view, and was completely incompatible with Christianity Bormann stated:
When we [National Socialists] speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest." " - Wikipedia
This is not to say there aren't similarities between, say Glenn Beck and Adolf Hitler. But I'm not sure they're completely religious associations.
"The way I put it is this: if you're writing about the history of the 1930s and the rise of totalitarianism , you can take out the word "fascist", if you want, for Italy, Portugal, Spain, Czechoslovakia and Austria and replace it with 'extreme-right Catholic party'.
Almost all of those regimes were in place with the help of the Vatican and with understandings from the Holy See. It's not denied. These understandings quite often persisted after the Second World War was over and extended to comparable regimes in Argentina and elsewhere."
It is certainly true that particular figures in the German Nazi Party disliked religion, and Hitchens admits that German Nazis were "all mixed up with Germanic myths about superiority," which certainly colored their perspective on Christianity. (Didn't the Nazis approve an anti-semitic version of the Bible?)
I believe that religion (and Christianity) is by and large a force for good ethical behavior. But here is no denying that institutionally it can go wrong, or be distorted and misused by unscrupulous officials.
Invasion of the Body Snatchers" reminds me of these groups - no comparison to individuals who follow the teachings of kindness, generosity, love and respect for others.
I think you are taking a specific definition for the term "religion" that is not necessary to an understanding of the message in this piece.
To argue about the definition of "religion" is a diversion in this case.
I'm not putting the struggle for equal rights by LGBT people in the US on the same level as the Holocaust but it's a good comparison for this discussion. A gay basher might be an atheist but is still influenced by the anti-gay propaganda that's produced by the religious right.
For example, take present-day America where we have a church on nearly every corner: Every hack politician invokes God somewhere in his speechs and invariable asks God to bless America as his closing remark. This group includes people who hate gays & minorities; promote wars; destroy civilizations (eg, Iraq); install and support egregious dictators worldwide; institute torture and whose works generally pander to several of the baser instincts of man . . . And in all cases they "believe" that God is on Our Side.
You don't think that - in their hearts of hearts - these ubiquitous charlatans, regardless national or political stripe - give a big rats ass about any religion other than mammonism, do you?
There are exceptions such as Jimmy Carter, and look what WE did to him.
There was also a deep Wagnerian mystical element in Nazism (unlike Mussolini's pragmatic "Corporate State" Fascism and Franco's Church dominated medievalist version) which led them to believe that they were the heritors of Valhalla with it's perceived Teutonic "look" and aggressive, even fanatical physicality (although Hitler and his henchmen were all physically insignificant nonentities) and thereby their patriarchal superiority, whilst the female was relegated to a meekly supportive "hausfrau" and birthing machine for breeding young, preferably blonde, God-like creatures.
What I'm getting at is the generally perceived vision of a blonde, blue-eyed hippie-looking fantasy Jesus by not just the Repugs but the "average" Americans they manipulate so successfully.
It's all very much in the name of seeking power over others and forcing the symbols thereof down their throats.
I wonder if the likes of the Koch Bro's, Boehner, et al watch "Christmas Carol" or the "Little Drummer Boy" with any emotion but "Bah-Humbug"; I mean, the ancient message is hardly "Lassez-Faire", what!?
What HAPPENED to the Teutonic gods and their Valhalla? Read to the end, my friends. The whole mess was destroyed, for its evil, by the one honorable and decent person left -- a WOMAN -- who went into the fire herself, to clean up the earth of every vestige of the gods and their perfidy.
Though not the sweetest man in history, Wagner, dead many years before the rise of Hitler, would have HATED the jerk. And the Nazis would have murdered Wagner.
The last scene of the Ring is the best depiction I know of, of Republican sentiment. The burned world is flooding, the arch-villain Hagen is drowning. His dying words: "Give me the RING!" Still after all the wealth and power, in his last gurgle!
Absolutely -no argument. Hitler used R.W. like he used everything in his bent perception of what was "Truly German".
Current parallels are obvious. My personal view of Wagner is that of Mark Twain: "(His) music isn't as bad as it sounds"!
I like aznvlefty's quote as well, though I wonder how many different ways a fundamentalist would *literally* interpret these words?
"You cannot serve God and wealth (Matthew 6:24)."
*People Living In Fear:
A reference to conservative or fundamentalist followers of any religion that leads them to be fearful of any questioning of their religious doctrine or to be open to creative, new ideas. Because psychologically fear is such a crippling emotion, psychologically healthy people tend to try and control and recognize this in themselves. Those who don't tend to rely on more dictatorial or authoritarian leaders whether they be in the form of a political leader or their own chosen God.
Just as the right distorts religion for its own demented purposes, it's also remaking and reinterpreting our laws and Constitution for the benefit of corporations and the rich, at the expense of the middle class and poor.
The religious distortions go hand in hand with the intentional destruction and distortion of our laws and Constitution.
I grew up in the Baptist Church and spent the first few years of my adult life as the wife of an evangelist and participated in the rise of Jerry Falwell, James Dodson and others who have led the movement to invade politics. Michelle Bachmann and I came from the same religious education. I left that scene in 1976 with a prediction of a future that has certainly come true for the church, the Republican party and the demise of civil liberties. If the Democratic Party had embraced the religious right I'd be a Republican.
The Jesus I was taught to beleive in was most certainly a liberal in the context of his time and is still a liberal today. Jesus doesn't exist in the church and hasn't for most of it's history.
I'll complete my thought with something a young German soldier said to his grandmother about his opposition to Hitler's final solution. It was in a novel I read. "You don't kill God to take his place."
OH, HELP! Quite the contrary, I fear it is IMPOSSIBLE to think like a current-day Republican and believe one word of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, other than "and" and "the."
All we need do is read the four Gospels and the Book of Acts (New Testament, mind, most of which the Right has yet to discover) to find the Right-Wing Religion a total, disgusting mockery.
Wasn't it G.K. Chesterton who said, "it is not that Christianity has been tried and found wanting -- but that it has never been tried." Interestingly, whatever creeds are actually represented, after Gandhi the OWS folks most closely exemplify the teachings of Jesus. And they WILL prevail.
How can the Republican Party say they are following divine directions from God when they ignore His own Son's words? How can they even claim to be Christians?
The Germans were for the most part Christians. Wasn't Hitler Catholic? Christians want to have it that the Germans all became atheists for the duration of the war and then magically back to God-loving Christians.
"Presidents who were members of the KKK:
President Warren G. Harding, President Woodrow Wilson, President McKinley, President Calvin Coolidge, and President Harry S. Truman.
Supreme Court Justice members: Hugo Black.
Other notable and downright important men were: President Warren G. Harding. He was actually sworn into the Ku Klux Klan in a Klan ceremony conducted inside the White House by Imperial Wizard Colonel Simmons.
President Woodrow Wilson and President McKinley were members of the KKK, little is known of their Klan membership however. There is at least one book that documents they were actual members, but it only mentions they were members, that's all. McKinley was a Union officer, but many Union men joined or affiliated with the original First Era Ku Klux Klan during the Radical Republican's anti-white Reconstruction Era. Union General Hardee was another Union man who later joined the Klan. President Wilson would have been a member of the Klan under the Command of Imperial Wizard Colonel Simmons.
President Calvin Coolidge was a noted Klansman and was well known to be an active member of the Ku Klux Klan. He allowed cross lightings on the Capitol steps and reviewed the giant Klan parades of 1925 and 1926 in Washington D.C."
Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black was a Klansman, his Klan Robes complete with his name in them were found in an old Klan Klavern Hall in the 1960's. Unfortunately under intense political pressure he superficially repudiated the Klan during its notorious period of scandals."
The list continues:
http://kelticklankirk.com/KKK_Wizards_and_Prominent_Klansmen.htm
URL: http://able2know.org/topic/99462-1
Remember: A good man will always do good, an Evil man will always do evil. BUT it takes religion to make a good man do evil.
So when Atheist Stalin's purges killed about 36 million Russians or Atheist Mao's purges and cultural revolutions killed over 30 million that was not evil?
For "pro-life" conservative Republicans, life begins at conception and ends at birth, which tells you all you need to know about their love for their fellow men and their love of life and truth. And, sadly, many otherwise good people couldn't be less concerned about that.
The author says "how you view man is how you see god"; it's probably more accurate to say: "how you feel about yourself, will be how you construct your god." "If you are disempowered and live in fear and insecurity, he will be probably be tyrannical and vengeful" "If you view yourself with peace & love, you are far more likely to believe in a god of peace & love"
In uncritical religion, scripture is frozen in time and understood as the exact word of God. It contains what happened in the past as well as what will happen in the future - God said it, I believe it, that settles it! The fact that there are two creation stories, talking turtles, and the stoning of children doesn't seem to matter because it is the word of God and therefore true and contradictions to reason are beyond our understanding. Those who correctly understand scripture are self-selected. Fact is defined by them as their inerrant transmission of the literal word of God.
I am the author of The Podium, the Pulpit and the Republicans: How Presidential Candidates Use Religious Language in American Political Debate, an ordained Episcopal Minister of 40 years, and a student of the havoc caused by this divide.
Frederick Stecker
This time of year their behavior can be especially egregious. Think "War on Xmas" mindsets permeating their views of all peoples not conforming to their idealized holidays notions, coupled with the aggressive proselytizing mindset, and one has an explosive combination of hate/bigotry/aggrandizement/superiority/egotism all wrapped into one brutish loud-mouthed American Christian during Christmas (although, when is a right-wing American NOT brutish really.)
I thank RSN for bravely publishing this honest piece, especially during a time of year when so many, outside the described fold, are annually so pummeled and demoralized by this gross behavior that surrounds them, that they just need a little "sane humanity check" like this piece to make it through until January when behaviors begin to quiet down to a tolerable level once again.
The Latin American liberation theology movement was the beginning of a process of turning the dominant anti-utopian Christianity on its head by recovering the social core of the Christian tradition. It is a mistake to throw the bay out with the bath, that will only leave the inverted violent version of Christianity intact and dominant. In Latin America, there was and is a struggle over how the Christian mysteries are to be understood. In the US this has barely begun. Jesus occupied the temple in Jerusalem. The temple was the center of the religious, political and economic life of Israel. In the modern age we tend to be fooled by an undialectical conception of the sacred and the secular. Christianity has been displaced by the real religion of the present era, the religion of the market, but the inverted form of Christianity payed a crucial role in bringing this about and is an important support to its continued dominance.
NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN !!
Constantius, the roman emperor, commanded his troops to adorn their shields due to a dream he had, with a Christian symbol (the Chi-Rho), and thereafter they were victorious.
Who is the greater psychotic? One who walks around preaching who needs medication or one who bases his actions on his dreams. Chritianity became the dominant religion due to roman politics.
Religion is based on fear and superstition from the days of the cave man and the belief that someone or something must be doing these things.
"The current gridlock has its roots in right religion. Remove the religious right's powerful influence over America, a measure of sanity may return."
Religion is a personal choice and freedom, but the religious right believe theirs is the only true form of Christianity. People believe what they want to believe. Taken to an extreme, it leads to intolerance or worse.
Having said this, I agree with PGreen that, "religion (and Christianity) is by and large a force for good ethical behavior. But here is no denying that institutionally it can go wrong, or be distorted and misused by unscrupulous officials."
approach to issues.
Actually, the destructive understandings of the Jews which reach their ultimate expression in the Holocaust have a long pedigree in Christian thought. Beginning with the Gospels themselves, the polemical expressions of an early Jesus-following Jewish movement which was being expelled from the synagogues are found in references to "the Jews" vis-a-vis Jesus' crucifixion. Of course, Jesus and all of his followers at that point were Jews. The gospel writers reflect the developing church's antagonism toward their former correligionists . The gospels also reflect a desire to let the Roman Empire - who actually crucified Jesus - off the hook and appeal to an increasingly gentile movement.
Standard brand religion, with its perfect, judgmental and demanding deity and perfect son--what a goodie goodie pain in the ass he can be, at least as imaged and presented by some childish religious sects--drives some people into resentment and rejection, if only in their everday behavior.
True spirituality, which recognizes the divine in all of us and in the natural world as well, does not lead to hypocrisy, resentment and ultimately rejection of all notions of a sacred dimenson to life. However, that kind of sprituality has to be confirmed by personal experience to be stable and sustainable; otherwise it is just a temporary feel-good idea that has no lasting effect.
What Hitler believed and espoused was no different in its essentials from what the Old Testament Jehovah proclaimed. If one reads the intemperate and absurd nonsense put forth by Rousas John Rushdoony (a major influence on present-day Christian dominionism/reconstructions m), one finds, in his vile utterances the notions of kinism and white Christian male dominance, ideas that are thoroughly compatible with Nazi ideas.
The International House of Prayer, an extrme rightist Christian org, was a major organizing force behimd Rick Perry's "The Response." One of the IHOP leaders is on record as saying that Hitler was sent by God to drive the Jews out of Europe, making Der Fuhrer a divine hunter of the Jews, according to this lunatic.
The Nazis created what was a crypto-theocracy that didn't need to be explicitly religious in the conventional sense; in all major respects and elements it was exactly the same kind of system.
The masculine once again is rearing its ugly head in favor of control and the appearance of strength. Christians are being swept up in paranoia and therefore aggression. The most militant among them are the rear guard of the death of the original beliefs.
Religions are unproven complex memeplexes subject to corruption and reinterpretatio n. For instance modern Evangelical Christianity has been completely corrupted and discredited by its adherence to Zionist idealogy. They are so far gone that they are trying to manifest the Apocalypse as a way to prove the validity of their faith.
The situation is laughably insane, in recent debate Michelle Bachmann, the crypto Jew posing as a born again, is basing her entire campaign on nuking Iran. She is just like Sarah Palin and all the rest of the political whores, warmongering as the path to political power.
Me? I don't "believe" anything, which makes me an atheist but I have respect for people, who in the confines of a decent interpretation of Jesus' proposed words, do good things and act with loving kindness. But most of what I find are "Fox Christians" in that Fox "news" seems to contain what most American Christians believe and belief is poison when confronting items of macro importance are to be critically thought out. Also it seems to me that there are parts of the country that are bastions of religious hallucinations and mal-interpretations ; The South, which wallows in the aftereffects of the Civil War and traditions and the Midwest, which seem to contain escapees of The South.
Not at all. Atheism is also a religion in asserting a completely unproveable thesis as a 'truth'. Are your gut bacteria 'aware' of YOU besides as their 'planet'? If there be a 'god' that made this Universe, even a cursory look at the scale of this Universe will tell you that the 'distance' between your gut bacteria and you in complexiity and 'understanding' can only be a fraction of the 'distance' between us, even as a species, and this 'creator'. Any 'book' attempting to define 'god' or what 'god' wants is just ignorance tending toward blasphemy. Studying the actual WORK of this presumed creator is the only 'true' religion, science. But, alas, science contains the same personalities as any other human endeavor and the same willful corruptions of perception occur. The difference is, unlike other religions, all assertions in science must tie back consistently to all other assertions in science and, unlike 'book' based religions, the god's hand can be directly observed. One's belief (faith) or disbelief in science is best contemplated at 30,000 ft (9100 m) and 540 mph (240 m/s) in a manmade tube of pure science. Would you, even as a zealot, give the same confidence to prayer? I don't think so. And, if someone stands up and says they are a scientist AND an Atheist, they lie in the first part whether consciously or unconsciously. There is no end to human self-delusion even in scientists.
Why are you arguing here with such a convoluted diatribe? Check your dictionary.
A (without) theism (belief in a deity). So we have to believe as you to not believe?
Say what you wish, but we do define OURSELVES in order to think and function. You define us by the way we function, but you really don't know what we think.
One of my relatives who fought in Germany in WWII brought back many trophies, including a belt buckle bearing a swastika and the words GOTT MIT UNS (GOD IS WITH US). If you Google NIGHT OF THE AMAZONS you can see some images of one of the pagan pageants staged during the rise of the Third Reich. They didn't limit their superstitions to Biblical tradition.
"The swastika (Sanskrit: स्वस्तिक) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles, in either right-facing (࿕) form in counterclockwis e motion or its mirrored left-facing (࿖) form in clockwise motion. Earliest archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates back to the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India as well as Classical Antiquity. Swastikas have also been used in other various ancient civilizations around the world. It remains widely used in Indian religions, specifically in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, primarily as a tantric symbol to evoke 'shakti' or the sacred symbol of good luck. The swastika is also a Chinese character used in East Asia representing eternity and Buddhism." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
The GOP/Corporations purpose is not to 'have' a philosophy/religion but to manipulate people with it. As the movie, "A Face in the Crowd" so effectively shows, it is mass manipulation that the GOP is after, not the 'truth' and certainly not a belief in 'peace, justice, and a better world'. The GOP/Corporations will use the symbol of a righteous Jesus to their advantage, if it works (if it sells product, if it wins votes). They don't care about what it may do to people's beliefs. They don't care if it starts any unravelling of morality. No, the GOP is faithless, and therefore reckless with the symbols of most people's beliefs.
If we 'Liberals' would understand the need for an appeal to people's religious beliefs (sometimes someone does: 'Audacity of Hope', Abolition of Slavery), we would understand how to communicate with 'the masses'. And we would gain their support.
But to write off the large amount of GOP supporters as faithless and evil is just plain STUPID!
The National Socialists in Germany were no different. They explicitly saw themselves as a religious movement.
They had two creedal variations: one esoteric faith (for the inner party elite such as the SS); and one exoteric faith for the masses ("Positive Christianity" under control of Reich authorities).
See the links below which outline these differences:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4VO4JWwYw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q24zJmIF0zA
http://www.amazon.com/Nazism-Ideas-Have-Consequences/lm/3K8A4UAW2R4B0/ref=cm_srch_res_rpli_alt_1
http://www.amazon.com/Utopian-Nightmares-and-Gnostic-Political-Religions/lm/1E8UKBWSGZB5P/ref=cm_srch_res_rpli_alt_1
No heaven, No hell, No religion = Atheism
No countries = the international Communist proletariat
No possessions = no private property
Nothing to kill or die for = ethical relativism masquerading as pacifism
"I hope someday you'll join Us. ."
And just who the hell is Us?
The Communists!
"The revolutionary movement which began in 1789 in the Cercle Social, which in the middle of its course had as its chief representatives Leclerc and Roux, and which finally with Babeuf's conspiracy was temporarily defeated, gave rise to the communist idea which Babeuf's friend Buonarroti re-introduced in France after the Revolution in 1830. This idea, consistently developed, is the idea of the new world order."
This quote in full context) is from The Holy Family, the first joint collaboration volume of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. It was written several years before their more celebrated (and originally anonymous) 1848 work, The Communist Manifesto.
So from Marx and Engels — the founding fathers of modern communism — we have it boldly stated: the communist idea = the new world order.
Do you by any chance take yourself WAY too seriously?
"Did you make disease, and the diamond blue?
Did you make mankind after we made you?
And the devil too!"
God is nothing but a manmade creation ... created to instill fear ...
People see an image of God in the mirror each morning.
When people look upon each other, they don't always recognize Her.
Let's not forget that it was with the support of the fanatical Reformed "Christian" movement in the 1930's in Germany that was preaching Arian "Supremecy" that Hitler came to power. And if you think the Nazis were brutal with the Catholics, it was a super cozy relationship that Hitler enjoyed with the Vatican. By the way have you walked through the Vatican Museum? Much of that priceless art once belonged to European Jews. And it was the Roman Catholic Church that served as the Underground Railroad that brought at least 100,000 Nazis to the Americas.
Though there is much truth in your article it is all inclusive. All republicans are being attacked when the problem is the fringe element of the right wing. Perhaps next time you can call them the right wing or fringe element without being divisive?
I wholeheartedly agree that there is a problem with the mind set of the "fringe element" that needs to be addressed with shame but to include all republicans in that category causes your viewpoint to be categorized as fringe left.
On the politics: Jesus Christ Superstar (the film) gives a pretty accurate view of how Jesus and his disciples ran foul of the powers. When it was released there were lots of conservatives who didn't like it at all.
I have a big problem with the religious right and their influence in government, namely the abortion issue. What has happened to separation of church and state? Who are THEY to mandate what a woman should or should not do regarding abortion?
I have 4 words for these people:
IT IS NOBODY'S BUSINESS
and that should be the end of it.
They have taken the literal translation of the Bible, which does have some interesting 'stories.'
However, what they fail to realize is this book is like a big game of "post office."
The Bible has been handed down for centuries, edited by whatever ruler was in power at the time. It is a proven theological fact that there are many mis-translations from the ancient language of Aramaic of Jesus and seeming omissions and additions in its history.
These are frightening people bent on saving us all from something that THEY believe in. I'm sorry - I don't believe their stories about damnation because that would mean that their all loving God is going to condemn billions to this mythical place called hell.
I just don't think that God is a cross between an angry parent and Santa Claus.
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